MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 1

[Mike Murdock]

Banner is pretty used to going in hiding. In the comics, of course, they went Planet Hulk and wrote him out. While they may not do that, they might write him out.

 

[seahammer]

Wonder where this puts Hulk. Thor at least can do his own thing if they chose to keep him out of this debate, but they're pretty set on the idea of Banner primarily as an Avengers supporting character. You'd think he'd be right in the thick of this.

...unless the early (debunked?) rumors of Hulk being launched into space during AoU turn out to be true?

EDIT: yeah, what Mike Murdock said!

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I really don't see any evidence that this rumor - and that is what it is right now - is true, it doesn't really make sense and I see a lot of jumps of conclusion

 

[Johnny-Oh]

This could just be the prologue/start of the Civil War, I extremely doubt it would be a self-contained story or even the main even for Cap 3 considering they already set up Crossbones as a possible villain and Bucky storyline. What exactly have the Russo's said about Cap 3?

 

[SlamAdams]

I really don't see any evidence that this rumor - and that is what it is right now - is true, it doesn't really make sense and I see a lot of jumps of conclusion

The biggest thing in its favor right now is it was reported by probably the most reputable Hollywood news source. That's definitely why so many sites picked it up with so much confidence.

 

[SuperT]

I really don't see any evidence that this rumor - and that is what it is right now - is true, it doesn't really make sense and I see a lot of jumps of conclusion

I'd say it's more than a rumor and likely really happening. Publications like Variety, EW and Hollywood Reporter and others don't go around posting rumors willy nilly like they have with this one.

 

[BoredGuy]

I am utterly confused and befuddled right now

Civil War? No Cap or IM in Avengers 3? Dropping the plot threads from Cap 2? What happens to Winter Soldier??

I have to say, I might be on Ike Perlmutter's side ride now, because that sounds like an insane and stupid way to carry these franchises forward. I have faith in Marvel cuz they haven't really let me down yet, but damn guys, you're pushing it.

And if Avengers 4 ends up having Falcon-Cap and female Thor and whatever the hell else they're doing in the comics right now (as some have speculated), I will be skipping the film entirely.
Luckily I'll be, like, 40 by then, so I can finally just say "I'm gettin too old for this s*"

 

[SlamAdams]

I am utterly confused and befuddled right now

Civil War? No Cap or IM in Avengers 3? Dropping the plot threads from Cap 2? What happens to Winter Soldier??

I have to say, I might be on Ike Perlmutter's side ride now, because that sounds like an insane and stupid way to carry these franchises forward. I have faith in Marvel cuz they haven't really let me down yet, but damn guys, you're pushing it.

And if Avengers 4 ends up having Falcon-Cap and female Thor and whatever the hell else they're doing in the comics right now (as some have speculated), I will be skipping the film entirely.
Luckily I'll be, like, 40 by then, so I can finally just say "I'm gettin too old for this s*"

Iron Man is in Avengers 3. His last contract was for specifically those 2 movies, not just any movies. It's possible Civil War is just a title for a different but applicable story the way Age of Ultron only has Ultron in common with the comic story.

 

[BoredGuy]

have you not seen these rumors I'm referring to???

 

[The_Manhunter]

I hope this is true, if only because I think Iron Man is cooler than Cap and would improve the movie if done right IMO

 

[SlamAdams]

have you not seen these rumors I'm referring to???

Yes.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah lol no need to panic

 

[Kanon]

Cap 3, if it is a Civil War like event, looks like the perfect movie to include Banner. I will find it suspicious he is not included. I will assume that somethings happens to the Hulk in AoU if so.

 

[SlamAdams]

Cap 3, if it is a Civil War like event, looks like the perfect movie to include Banner. I will find it suspicious he is not included. I will assume that somethings happens to the Hulk in AoU if so.

I feel like some people are reporting that Cap 3 will set up a bigger Civil War for Avengers 3.

 

[Kanon]

I feel like some people are reporting that Cap 3 will set up a bigger Civil War for Avengers 3.

Makes sense. But, also there was the rumors/hints that Cap would be passing the shield at the end of Cap 3, and his death at the end of a 1-movie CW makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I don't see Civil War happening in Cap 3 because it completely drops the plot lines set up in TWS. I liked Covil War, but at the same time, they need to wait if they want to make it into a movie.

But whatever eventually happens to Rogers, I hope we ultimately wind up with Falcon Cap, because Bucky works best as The Winter Soldier.

 

[SlamAdams]

Makes sense. But, also there was the rumors/hints that Cap would be passing the shield at the end of Cap 3, and his death at the end of a 1-movie CW makes a lot of sense to me.

But his contract doesn't run up until Avengers 3 and if that is also Civil War related than he could just die then.

 

[djsunyc]

call me crazy but i think we are going to see these 2 things happen within the next 5 years...

1. marvel allowed to use spiderman (or get his rights back)
2. a solo thanos quest movie where we see his journey in getting all the stones

 

[Shikamaru]

Honestly, part of my disappointment with the direction they're going in is in the likely fact that we won't see the Avengers of the comics anytime in the near future, outside a marketing standpoint.

First film was an origin story, but there were no "Avengers" Avengers by the end; just a group that came together to for a specific event then went their separate ways. Sure, friendships have been sparked and a foundation's been laid out, but there was no Avengers Tower/Mansion, no normal day-to-day interactions from the team, no historically-established team dynamic after working together on multiple occasions. Then there's the matter of characters like Thor and Hawkeye feeling so distant from everyone else. All of that was fine and to be expected for the first film, though.

Then in Age of Ultron, it looks like we're getting something more akin to that, but rumor has it the team will break apart by the end. And given the situation and supposed premise for Cap 3, it kinda makes sense.

Then follows a Civil War-based story that puts Steve and Tony at odds, followed by what is rumored to be an all-new Avengers team in A3 or a "Marvel superhero" film where everyone will fight Thanos, Avenger or not.

And if that's indeed the case, I'm a tad disappointed. The "Avengers" will feel more like a few individuals that just happened to cross paths on a few occasions rather than one whole team. Contrast that with other recent adaptations like EMH, where despite members going in and out of the team throughout its run, it still felt like there was a strong team dynamic and ideal "definitive" members even when they weren't all together.

In foresight, even the GOTG might feel more like a team and they didn't even need an entire phase of setup.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah I agree

Always thought, if a Civil War movie did happen, it should be after the fight with Thanos in Avengers 3
Then we'd have a whole trilogy of them being a team, and the way forward after that would involve the team splitting
CW's way more dramatic if the team is firmly established than if they are basically just casual acquaintances.

 

[Iceman]

Wonder where this puts Hulk. Thor at least can do his own thing if they chose to keep him out of this debate, but they're pretty set on the idea of Banner primarily as an Avengers supporting character. You'd think he'd be right in the thick of this.

I can see him getting angry a lot.

 

[Shikamaru]

Yeah I agree

Always thought, if a Civil War movie did happen, it should be after the fight with Thanos in Avengers 3
Then we'd have a whole trilogy of them being a team, and the way forward after that would involve the team splitting
CW's way more dramatic if the team is firmly established than if they are basically just casual acquaintances.

I believe it's a catch-22 situation. I agree Civil War would work better post-Avengers 3, if at all, but it would also be much harder to provide a sound argument for registration after they literally save the universe. Post-Ultron seems like a more rational choice.

 

[BoredGuy]

I dunno, "saving the universe" is so vague, I doub most people on earth, and especially governments would believe it, they'd be all like "yeah right, and I'm the easter bunny", and that's if they even knew what was going on.

Look at the Man of Steel argument. Yes, Superman "saved the world" and Lois and some of the army guys knew it, but most average people probably just saw two super powerful dudes blowing up Metropolis, not knowing the reasoning or what was at stake.

I mean, basically, you just have to look at how dumb the average human is when it comes to complex political matters, to know that Saving the Universe would not give the Avengers a free pass

 

[Shikamaru]

I think there's two important distinctions from MOS. First, assuming it'll be similar to the comic, the battle won't take place on Earth thus collateral damage won't be a factor from the perspective of a human. Second, they would literally save the universe; not just Earth.

You brought up a valid point regarding how much of that would be made public, I admit I haven't considered it, but even then, Tony would know. What would make Tony side with registration then? Unless it's Civil War INO and Tony is on Cap's side, but it doesn't appear they're going for that in Cap 3.

 

[Iceman]

I am utterly confused and befuddled right now

Civil War? No Cap or IM in Avengers 3? Dropping the plot threads from Cap 2? What happens to Winter Soldier??

I have to say, I might be on Ike Perlmutter's side ride now, because that sounds like an insane and stupid way to carry these franchises forward. I have faith in Marvel cuz they haven't really let me down yet, but damn guys, you're pushing it.

And if Avengers 4 ends up having Falcon-Cap and female Thor and whatever the hell else they're doing in the comics right now (as some have speculated), I will be skipping the film entirely.
Luckily I'll be, like, 40 by then, so I can finally just say "I'm gettin too old for this s*"

At 40 you'll still be about 250 years away from being too old for this ****.