MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 3

[A Necessary Evil]

IM is my favorite, then Avengers, then Thor & TIH (I love them both equally.) CA is a great film, but not my favorite of P1.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

. Like King Lear. He's old enough now.

I hear it was the toast of Croydon, wherever that is.

 

[Art Freak]

I hear it was the toast of Croydon, wherever that is.

Ha! It all comes full circle.

 

[Iceman]

Avengers, IM1, GotG and TWS are my favourites. Also like the first Thor.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I hope he returns for Ragnarök

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Ha! It all comes full circle.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Perhaps it's just me, but I am surprised nobody asked David Oyelowo if he was interested in being in one of these movies.

 

[eddy]

So if anyone is interested in how much Marvel actually made from their licensed films, I found a old article about the forming of Marvel Studios. It has some details about the percentages and monies they grossed from film adaptions at other studios.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2006/05/01/8375925/

Highlights:

"Marvel generally gets 2 to 10 percent of the profit."

On the 2 Raimi films that had been made at the time the article was written.

" The two Spider-Man films have grossed nearly $1.6 billion at the box office; Marvel is estimated to have received just $75 million of that. "

On Men In Black

" Licensing was mishandled; for instance, the terms negotiated for Marvel's Men in Black characters were so skimpy that when the movie was made in 1997, ultimately generating about $589 million worldwide, Marvel's take was about a million bucks."

On Blade

"Blade, released in 1998 and starring Wesley Snipes as a vampire hunting for fellow bloodsuckers, raked in $133 million worldwide at the box office. "Blade was the least likely to succeed," Arad says. "That was the first time it seemed clear to Hollywood that the Marvel franchise was something special."

Yet Arad says Marvel made only $25,000 from the first Blade movie, thanks to lousy licensing terms negotiated years earlier by Perelman lawyers."

On how much Marvel makes on DVD sales from licensed adaptions

"But studios really cleaned up on ever-increasing sales of DVDs, which now account for more than half of the total profit on a film.

Marvel's share of DVD sales was minuscule - less than a percentage point in most cases"

And this part just made me laugh based on hindsight

" Some Hollywood critics are already whispering that Marvel is crazy to try this. They say most of its best-known characters have already been cinematized: Spider-Man is one thing; Shang-Chi, a crime-fighting martial artist who's also on the Marvel film slate, another. Marvel also faces plenty of competition: Last summer Batman Begins, based on the DC Comics caped crusader, outslugged Marvel's Fantastic Four, and this summer DC Comics's Superman Returns is expected by some analysts to generate about $400 million in U.S. box office alone.

Others speculate that the superhero film craze may fade by 2008, when the first Marvel films are released. And the Marvel magic has already shown some signs of wobbling, as evidenced by 2003's The Hulk, a disappointment despite being directed by the celebrated Ang Lee, and 2005's Elektra, a certifiable dog. "There could be oversaturation," says Arvind Bhatia, an analyst with Sterne Agee & Leach.:

 

[TheVileOne]

Well, every year all the experts and analysts predict the end of the superhero film craze, but it doesn't end. Even after the disappointment of Watchmen in 2009. It kept going.

 

[Lilbaz]

Well, every year all the experts and analysts predict the end of the superhero film craze, but it doesn't end. Even after the disappointment of Watchmen in 2009. It kept going.

Marvel is a safe family franchise. Parents are happy taking their kids to watch a Marvel film because they know what they can expect. Great action, a few laughs, decent story and brilliant special effects. The kids will be happy and the parents can enjoy it too.
This means they are guaranteed a good return.

 

[TheVileOne]

So what do we know though?

Whedon came on and told Feige when he read Penn's script, "You have nothing. I would never film a word of this." So apparently, the script was so bad, Whedon had to start from scratch and basically had to rewrite the script in like less than a year.

I think Marvel Studios' mandates were the team doesn't form until the third act. Hulk fights them or Thor earlier. Not sure if Penn's draft followed that the same.

I think Penn wanted to use Red Skull as a villain in addition to Loki. I think he also had a draft that might've introduced Thor.

He wrote multiple drafts, so we don't really know what was changed.

And look I got nothing against Penn, but I mean...all the stuff he was saying at the launch of the project sounded frightening. He listed Ultimates as his biggest influence.

 

[Lilbaz]

I hear it was the toast of Croydon, wherever that is.

South London.

 

[Iceman]

It just gets bigger. I don't think this is a fad or a phase. People love superhero films and universes connecting them all.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

South London.

You missed the joke.

 

[ctriis]

http://marvel.com/news/movies/24065/marvel_studios_schedules_new_release_dates_for_4_films

So Marvel Studios is pushing four films back one spot in their line up for Phase 3 (Avengers: IW 1+2 are unaffected). With the Spidey news it's very obvious that the July 2017 spot will be available for a Spidey solo movie.

Thoughts?

 

[Flint Marko]

http://marvel.com/news/movies/24065/marvel_studios_schedules_new_release_dates_for_4_films

So Marvel Studios is pushing four films back one spot in their line up for Phase 3 (Avengers: IW 1+2 are unaffected). With the Spidey news it's very obvious that the July 2017 spot will be available for a Spidey solo movie.

Thoughts?

I'll be interested to see how it plays out... you'd think that every movie would be setting up Infinity war, but apparently not.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I bet the MCU Hater Brigade is spittin mad over this.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I bet the MCU Hater Brigade is spittin mad over this.

Most notably the guy who Flint has quoted in his sig.

 

[flickchick85]

So now Black Panther's coming AFTER Infinity War: Part 1. Interesting. Captain Marvel coming right after it made a lot of sense to me, since she's supposed to be the "bridge" between the Earthbound MCU and the Cosmic MCU. But BP? Like I said, interesting choice.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Most notably the guy who Flint has quoted in his sig.

Yup, that one and several others come to mind. Oh well. Schadenfreude!

 

[The Caped Knight]

Soon The MCU will become this

First Spidey, Next will be the Fantastic four, followed by the X-men.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The BP release date does not mean that the film will shoot in 2017. I think it shoots next year.

Otherwise, why would they cast Chadwick Boseman?

 

[Flint Marko]

So now Black Panther's coming AFTER Infinity War: Part 1. Interesting. Captain Marvel coming right after it made a lot of sense to me, since she's supposed to be the "bridge" between the Earthbound MCU and the Cosmic MCU. But BP? Like I said, interesting choice.

Agreed. I'm going to give Marvel the benefit of the doubt on this one though, I really do think they know what they're doing.

I bet the MCU Hater Brigade is spittin mad over this.

Oh they will be. But they can...

 

[Loki882]

Spider-Man in the MCU=Awesome.
The other more interesting films with new characters getting delayed because of him=Disappointing.

Oh and don't put him on the Avengers. It just doesn't work.

 

[Dr. Evil]

It does open the door for lesser Spidey characters to show up on Agents of SHIELD.