MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 3

[Lord]

Hey Everyone!

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I made two 8 hour movies that include all Films from the MCU and they are in CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER!


Meaning: All the movies have been woven together to match the MCU Timeline!

The first video is of Fury’s Big week, which doesn’t include Iron Man (2008) but there is a link to download it in the Read Me :P There are also a couple of Marvel One Shots Included!


The second video is basically, Iron Man 3 meshed with Thor 2 and Cap 2 Meshed with Guardians, but watching it is UNREAL!

Here are the links:

Phase 1:

Phase 2:



It's a really cool view and although they're each 10GB, it's a very different opportunity to watch the MCU films the way they were supposed to be watched!



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Cheers!

Isn't giving a link to a torrent site only going to get you banned?

 

[Dilla1]

I know recently Marvel announced that Ant-Man and others will be in Civil War and that Thor and Hulk won't feature in the film. Daredevil's first season was fantastic, does anyone know if he will be in this film? I know Daredevil is part of the MCU. Of course the film won't exactly be like Civil War the comic. For me it would make sense for Daredevil to be in Civil War.

 

[Silvermoon]

I know recently Marvel announced that Ant-Man and others will be in Civil War and that Thor and Hulk won't feature in the film. Daredevil's first season was fantastic, does anyone know if he will be in this film? I know Daredevil is part of the MCU. Of course the film won't exactly be like Civil War the comic. For me it would make sense for Daredevil to be in Civil War.

So far, it doesn't look like it. Charlie has said in a number of interviews that though he would love to do it, he hasn't heard from Marvel/they haven't asked him to be in it.

 

[drod1985]

The mashups Omarion posted reminded me:

When Iron Man 3 came out I, like everybody else, thought: "The president is being kidnapped and Air Force One was just blown up, where are SHIELD and Steve Rogers?" I think Marvel have missed an opportunity to tie their movies together to justify things like this. So imagine if the events of IM3 and TWS were happening at the same time. While Tony was trying to save the president and deal with Killian, Steve was bringing down Project Insight and going after Bucky. AIM Could've been justified as a Hydra branch that aided in Project Insight, and taking out the President was one part of their plan. With a few throwaway lines these two movies could've happened simultaneously without giving away the Hydra twist in IM3 and without detracting from the overall story of TWS.

I think it'd be really cool of Marvel to orchestrate a story like this in the future with two of their Earth based heroes.

 

[Shikamaru]

Is anyone else getting the impression Marvel (or at least the film division) treats their TV division as unofficially part of the MCU?

First, I noticed how Daredevil still opens with the classic Marvel intro instead of the ones the film have. I find it odd Marvel wouldn't distinguish all of their products by giving them all the same intro, or at least give the TV shows their own intro different from the Fox films.

Next is Whedon who, while commenting on Coulson's resurrection, made a few statements that imply the TV content doesn't exist in his own personal head canon. To be fair he was specifically talking about Agents of SHIELD, which is a filler show in many ways, but I'm curious if he shares that same opinion of Daredevil.

Then there is Feige who, just after AoU coming out, states that "the MCU will never take a dark turn". Ignoring the fact that it clearly just did a few weeks prior to AoU.

None of this should affect the reception of the TV division, but it's annoying to see such Marvel higher-ups still hold that "movies > tv" mentality in what's now the Golden Age of television. Not to mention Daredevil and Agent Carter were better written than at least half of the films they put out.

 

[drod1985]

It seems the attitude may be that Films are "A" canon while TV is "B" canon. The films are higher priority, so they do their own thing. It's up to the TV division to fit their stories into the greater MCU. There have already been some inconsistencies, with simple things like Ivan Vanko already working for Stark Industries in Agent Carter.

I was really enjoying AOS...till Daredevil came out. It almost wasn't fair, that show was on an entirely different level. I'm sticking with AOS, I'll watch the finale tonight, but it just seems like it's got its hands tied with its boring SHIELD drama. I still feel like they made a mistake marrying their show's premise to an organization that would be destroyed in the films. That's the biggest disconnect for me post AOU.

Also, I think Feige's comments about the MCU not taking a dark turn were specifically in context of the films. It's good to have different mediums to explore different tones.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Am I the only on here who'd like to see Howard the Duck and Man-Thing in either their own movie or doing something with another part of the MCU one day? I guess Howard the Duck and Man-Thing teaming up would have shades of Rocket/Groot.

 

[marcvader]

I'd separate the Netflix canon from the network tv shows making it three levels of canon. The quality of Netflix doesn't interfere with my AoS viewing same way the movies don't.

 

[drod1985]

I'd separate the Netflix canon from the network tv shows making it three levels of canon. The quality of Netflix doesn't interfere with my AoS viewing same way the movies don't.

If there was a hierachy, with the film canon obviously at the top, would you rank Netflix of Network TV higher? As of the material we've gotten I'd say Film > Netflix > Network

 

[marcvader]

If there was a hierachy, with the film canon obviously at the top, would you rank Netflix of Network TV higher? As of the material we've gotten I'd say Film > Netflix > Network

I agree with that.

 

[hafizbat]

Is anyone else getting the impression Marvel (or at least the film division) treats their TV division as unofficially part of the MCU?

First, I noticed how Daredevil still opens with the classic Marvel intro instead of the ones the film have. I find it odd Marvel wouldn't distinguish all of their products by giving them all the same intro, or at least give the TV shows their own intro different from the Fox films.

Next is Whedon who, while commenting on Coulson's resurrection, made a few statements that imply the TV content doesn't exist in his own personal head canon. To be fair he was specifically talking about Agents of SHIELD, which is a filler show in many ways, but I'm curious if he shares that same opinion of Daredevil.

Then there is Feige who, just after AoU coming out, states that "the MCU will never take a dark turn". Ignoring the fact that it clearly just did a few weeks prior to AoU.

None of this should affect the reception of the TV division, but it's annoying to see such Marvel higher-ups still hold that "movies > tv" mentality in what's now the Golden Age of television. Not to mention Daredevil and Agent Carter were better written than at least half of the films they put out.

I was wondering about the same thing myself. Besides the few name drops here and there, there's not much that connects Daredevil to the MCU. It's not a huge deal as it's still a Marvel Studios product and everyone knows it. Having Daredevil or any other TV heroes cameo in an MCU movie would make me feel a lot better, lol.

 

[djsunyc]

is the MCU a one way ticket? is anything on the tv side mentioned in the movie world? i know it works the other way but if it stays that way, then the netflix, AOU guys won't be in the movies.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Depends on whether you count Theta Protocol. It wasn't overtly mentioned in the movie, but it was arguably mentioned.

Of course, the movie script wasn't written with Theta Protocol in mind, but movie scripts are written months before television scrips so that's almost a bit unfair.

 

[Silvermoon]

is the MCU a one way ticket? is anything on the tv side mentioned in the movie world? i know it works the other way but if it stays that way, then the netflix, AOU guys won't be in the movies.

So far nothing has been mentioned in the films that was first mentioned in an episode written or filmed before the movie was filmed (if that makes sense). The show *has* kind of 'backdoor-ed' some movie items (knowing their episode(s) would air before the film) - but then, they had access to the film scripts and so they knew that they could introduce things that would (in a few months time) be mentioned again in a film.

Theta Protocol is kind of one from this season.

Fitz's 'Mousehole' laser/plasma cutter from season 1 is another (the episode it was first introduced in aired just prior to the release of The Winter Soldier where Fury (and Hill) used it) - so in that case, the showrunners have the script for TWS and see that Fury uses this device to escape so they can say, "well let's have Fitz be the one to have created this and a comment be made about how the top brass tend to keep all the good gadgets - and then there will be some payoff to that when TWS is released"

I do think The Inhumans film is likely to be a film that would/could mention or refer to some of the events that have occurred this season and intentionally use elements that appeared or were mentioned in the show first.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I could be mistaken, but I also think Bobbi used the same stun baton things against Mac that Romanoff used in Age of Ultron.

 

[djsunyc]

thanks for the info...in my book, that's still a one way ticket. which is why i fear a character on a tv series may never make it to the movies. daredevil/fisk i fear will always be netflix only with nary a mention in the movies.

 

[CaptainWagner]

thanks for the info...in my book, that's still a one way ticket. which is why i fear a character on a tv series may never make it to the movies. daredevil/fisk i fear will always be netflix only with nary a mention in the movies.

I certainly hope that Marvel isn't that foolish. There's no point in having a shared universe if the crossovers don't go both ways.

 

[Doc Ock]

I certainly hope that Marvel isn't that foolish. There's no point in having a shared universe if the crossovers don't go both ways.

Yes please, don't be foolish about this Marvel.

 

[Shakel92]

It would be great if Coulson and/or Skye show up on DD (or vice versa) with S.H.I.E.L.D. finding out DD's secret identity and asking him to join their "Secret Warriors" team. And of course, DD turns them down. That would be a great crossover.

 

[Shakel92]

Update on dates and chronology:

MCU Chronology
• Captain America: The First Avenger
• Agent Carter
o Now is Not the End
o Bridge and Tunnel
o Time and Tide
o The Blitzkrieg Button
o The Iron Ceiling
o A Sin to Err
o Snafu
o Valediction
• Agent Carter (Marvel One-Shot)
• Iron Man
• Iron Man 2
• The Incredible Hulk
• A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor’s Hammer (Marvel One-Shot)
• Thor
• The Consultant (Marvel One-Shot)
• Captain America: The First Avenger (last few minutes)
• The Avengers
• Item 47 (Marvel One-Shot)
• Iron Man 3
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season One)
o Pilot
o 0-8-4
o The Asset
o Eye-Spy
o Girl in the Flower Dress
o FZZT
o The Hub
• Thor: The Dark World
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season One)
o The Well
o Repairs
o The Bridge
o The Magical Place
• All Hail The King (Marvel One-Shot)
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season One)
o Seeds
o T.R.A.C.K.S.
o T.A.H.I.T.I.
o Yes Men
o End of the Beginning
• Captain America: The Winter Soldier
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season One)
o Turn, Turn, Turn
o Providence
o The Only Light in the Darkness
o Nothing Personal
o Ragtag
o Beginning of the End
• Guardians of the Galaxy
• Daredevil (Season One)
o Into The Ring
o Cut Man
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o Shadows
o Heavy is the Head
• Daredevil (Season One)
o Rabbit In a Snow Storm
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o Making Friends and Influencing People
o Face My Enemy
• Daredevil (Season One)
o In The Blood
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o A Hen in the Wolf House
o A Fractured House
• Daredevil (Season One)
o World on Fire
o Condemned
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o The Writing on the Wall
• Daredevil (Season One)
o Stick
o Shadows in the Glass
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o The Things We Bury
o Ye Who Enter Here
o What They Become
• Daredevil (Season One)
o Speak of the Devil
o Nelson v. Murdock
o The Path of the Righteous
o The Ones We Leave Behind
o Daredevil
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o Aftershocks
o Who You Really Are
o One of Us
o Love in the Time of Hydra
o One Door Closes
o Afterlife
o Melinda
o The Frenemy of my enemy
o The Dirty Half DozenA
• Avengers: Age of Ultron
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o Scars
o S.O.S. Parts One and Two

Coming Up:
Ant-Man (July 17)
AKA Jessica Jones (Netflix – November or December)
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 3 (episodes 1-10)

2016
Agent Carter season 2
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 3 (episodes 11-22)
Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)
Daredevil season 2 (Netflix – April?)
Luke Cage (Netflix – summer?)
Dr. Strange (November 4, 2016)
Iron Fist (Netflix - November)

2017
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (May 5, 2017)
The Defenders (Netflix - May)
Spider-Man (July 28, 2017)
Thor: Ragnarok (November 3, 2017)

2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part I (May 4, 2018)
Black Panther (July 6, 2018)
Captain Marvel (November 2, 2018)

2019
Avengers: Infinity War Part II (May 3, 2019)
Inhumans (July 22, 2019)


I'm still not certain the DD stuff is accurate, especially considering that episode 8 has a newspaper from 09/05/2015. It could be a typo.

Also, no confirmation as to when the Luke Cage series comes out. They could just bump it until later, since DD will probably start filming in July. If there isn't anything about Luke Cage by the end of the summer, we can probably assume it won't start filming until 2016.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Question: Shouldn't the prologues for the two Thor movies be first chronologically?

 

[DrCosmic]

I certainly hope that Marvel isn't that foolish. There's no point in having a shared universe if the crossovers don't go both ways.

It seems to have served them very well so far for something with no point. The TV division has profited immensely.

The question is: what is the point for the other direction? If Skye had cameo'ed in Winter Soldier, what would that do for the movie division? What would that do for the audience member who didn't watch/doesn't like/aren't caught up on Agents of SHIELD?

Why is it foolish? What is Marvel loosing by not going out of their way to get TV storylines into movies months before those storylines have been written/solidified/changed because of TV demands? Does it hurt the TV division having to be locked in to certain things like that? If so, wouldn't it be foolish and destructive for it to go both ways?

I agree that in a perfect world, everything would just be open and free and who cares about anything... but in the real world... nah.

 

[fixxxer]

Question: Shouldn't the prologues for the two Thor movies be first chronologically?

You're right, but splitting each property like that is entering a whole different level of rabbit hole. Off the top of my head...

There's the Iron Man 3 prologue set in 1999.

There are many flashback sequences in AOS... Ward/Garrett/Buddy in the cabin, the May Bahrain mission, flashbacks to the TAHITI project, flashbacks to Jaiying both WW2 era and 80's era... I'm sure I'm missing quite a few more.

There are at least three sets of flashback sequences in Daredevil that I can remember... Murdock as a kid in the (presumably) 90's, Fisk as a kid in the (presumably) 70's, Murdock and Foggy in college.

So, for whoever is attempting that particular endeavor, I say, good luck ser!

 

[sabetoonth]

I've taken on that endeavor, though I stopped short of any material that came after GOTG.

 

[Greens]

That would just be a jumbled mess. There's no way to watch everything in chronological order.