MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 3

[FrozenBanana00]

Can't wait for AOS :3

 

[First Avenger]

Can I just express my general love for the entire MCU cast from Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter through all the Movies. Seriously. It's a group of people who all enjoy what they do and working together. They just need to get all the casts together and have a MarvelCon.

So true! Marvel assembles Amazing casts and talents for their projects.

 

[First Avenger]

So in my spare time I've launched a website dedicated to Marvel films, and the genre of comic book movies as a whole. You can find it at www.MCUunmasked.com. Let me know what you guys think, there's not a lot of content on there at the moment, but there will be in the next few weeks.

Looking forward to this,Flint!

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Big Steggy fan here...looking back, it's the best thing ever. I love all of the MCU cast but Chris and Hayley know how to deliver all the right feels that it hurts what could have been for Steve and Peggy. I love them since I gained a newfound understanding and appreciation for not just the characters but for both actors.

 

[Flint Marko]

Thanks for the kind words guys, I'll let you all know when I've added more stuff to the site!

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Thanks for the kind words guys, I'll let you all know when I've added more stuff to the site!

Pretty cool. Wish I could have the smarts in building and maintaining a CB website. Even if I had, I probably would dedicate it to only the MCU...cause I love that universe with all my heart

 

[meanmc]

Am I alone in thinking this? ->

Although i am happy with the schedule for Phase 3, i am really unsure, if Marvel made "the best job they could (do)".

And i do not mean a "Why they do not make Iron Man 4".
It is pretty clear, that either because of money issues - silly, because it is a billion dollar movie - or because Iron Man will be seen 2015, 2016, 2018 and 2019, which is quite a lot Iron Man, and i am still sure, that we also see some Iron Man in "Spiderman" 2017!

The reason is, i think there are so many stories going on, and they can not be told, because of the schedule of Phase 3.

Captain America:
Everybody knows, that Cap dies at the end of Civil War (in the comic books), and someone else takes the shield.
Of course, they already told us, that the MCU is totally different from the comic books - but maybe the question could be WHY!
Maybe because there is no room to tell this story?!

Would Cap die, there would be no movie to tell his comback. No movie to let the Winter Soldier oder Falcon be Captain America, and let Rogers take the shield back.

I think that is the real reason, because Cap will not die (in the MCU).

The solution would have been, to begin with Civil War, let Winter Soldier takeover the shield at the end, an bring Captain America 4 two years later, to bring back Rogers and let him be again Captain America - and thereafter bring the Infinity Wars!

I think that would have been a amazing story!

Hulk:
Also lots of potencial wasted.
Him leaving at the end of "Age of Ultron" could directly lead into "Planet Hulk" (plus "World War Hulk, maybe as one big movie).
Instead we will have him back in a Phase 3 movie - maybe not befor "Infinity War 1".
And a great potencial story is totally wasted...

If they wanted to do something special with the Hulk - THIS was there chance!

Sure, they could build Phase 4 around the Hulk with "Planet Hulk" and thereafter, as highlight of Phase 4 "World War Hulk" (as Avengers movie), but i think that NOW was the time to develop the Hulk character...

Thor:
With him there are not much issues. As he will be busy filming "Thor 3" and "the Avenger movies" beginning summer 2016 12 months in a row, i can understand, that they gave him some time off

But i think it would have been great to see his clone in "Civil War", especially, because you could kill his clone easily, and have - finally - some heroes "dead"!

And, same with "Civil War", it feels a little bit rushed to see "Ragarok" so early.

Civil War:
No doubt, one of the most anticipated movies in the history of the MCU - BUT, isn`t it a little bit early for this movie?

I see, that within the MCU things have to go a little bit quicker (as in the comic books).
If some movies fail, there would be no Thor 4 or 5 to tell for example "Ragnarok".
But on the other hand, there a so many superheroes out there, and we will have some more alone in the next 3 years, why they did not wait to have a real BIG civil war?!

Now it looks more like a background story to something bigger... hmm
But the civil war should be the big story!!!

Iron Man 4:
Of course i have to mention this.
As i wrote in the beginning, it is not the biggest issue, but i can not understand, why they did not make a Iron Man movie.
2017 would be the only possibility, and there would be a Iron Man movie every year - crowded, i know, but i think it would have been the right way.

As we get the next stand-alone Iron Man movie earliest may 2020. And RDJ does not get younger...

New characters:
I think it is great to see some new characters on the big screen. No problem with that... especially, as we will have 3 movies each year 2017 and 2018...

But i also think, that four new movies is a little bit too optimistic.
They will all work - like "Ant-Man" - make 350-450 million, but the problem will be, that - coming 2018 - there are too many new faces.

And Marvel can not really plan sequals for Phase 4, as they will have to announce their new schedule around the time the Black Panther hits the theaters.
So we have a lot of new characters, but almost no possibilites to see some sequals - and if, it will be like "Ant-Man". First movie in 2015, next one earliest winter 2019, maybe summer 2020...

Especially with "Ms. Marvel" and "Inhumans", they have to check the box-office numbers first, i think, before they can coninue the franchises...

So, it will be very crowded in Phase 4, and maybe it won`t be the best idea to cancel some old franchises (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor or the Avengers) just to show some sequals to new franchises...

And if they do not cancel old franchises, we have to wait some year to see some sequals.

Phase 3 is really a great phase to see all the "old guys" almost every year. But i do not believe, that we see this accumulation in Phase 4 again. And then the MCU will be in trouble...

PS
And i did not mention Black Widow or a Vision/Scarlet Witch (/Quicksilver) Story.

 

[Mike5575]

Hulk:
Also lots of potencial wasted.
Him leaving at the end of "Age of Ultron" could directly lead into "Planet Hulk" (plus "World War Hulk, maybe as one big movie).
Instead we will have him back in a Phase 3 movie - maybe not befor "Infinity War 1".
And a great potencial story is totally wasted...

If they wanted to do something special with the Hulk - THIS was there chance!

Sure, they could build Phase 4 around the Hulk with "Planet Hulk" and thereafter, as highlight of Phase 4 "World War Hulk" (as Avengers movie), but i think that NOW was the time to develop the Hulk character...

Universal still owns distribution rights for The Hulk and TIH was Marvel's single lowest grossing Marvel movie. A Hulk movie with almost no Banner on an alien world would mean a ton of CGI, meaning a very expensive movie with little returns. Planet Hulk would likely be a major flop. Not to mention, Mark Ruffalo wouldn't want a movie where he's barely in it. Could Marvel still make a Hulk movie? Sure, but after 50 years of Hulk comics, it seems like the only storyline people can think of is Planet/WWH.

Thor:
With him there are not much issues. As he will be busy filming "Thor 3" and "the Avenger movies" beginning summer 2016 12 months in a row, i can understand, that they gave him some time off

But i think it would have been great to see his clone in "Civil War", especially, because you could kill his clone easily, and have - finally - some heroes "dead"!

Except that Thor wouldn't really be dead, it's just his clone. I really like Thor, but I have to see he's the least developed Avenger in the MCU that has his own movies. I wouldn't mind seeing another Thor movie after Ragnarok, but I just don't know. He might just become King Thor and rule Asgard.

Iron Man 4:
Of course i have to mention this.
As i wrote in the beginning, it is not the biggest issue, but i can not understand, why they did not make a Iron Man movie.
2017 would be the only possibility, and there would be a Iron Man movie every year - crowded, i know, but i think it would have been the right way.

As we get the next stand-alone Iron Man movie earliest may 2020. And RDJ does not get younger...

It's time to move on. If Marvel is serioius about replacing the original Avengers, then setting things up all in one phase is the way to go. That means a phase mostly consising of new characters. A trilogy is enough. The Marvel universe is vast with a rich history. There are too many characters to just focus on Thor, Cap, and Iron Man.

New characters:
I think it is great to see some new characters on the big screen. No problem with that... especially, as we will have 3 movies each year 2017 and 2018...

But i also think, that four new movies is a little bit too optimistic.
They will all work - like "Ant-Man" - make 350-450 million, but the problem will be, that - coming 2018 - there are too many new faces.

350-450 million? I guess you forgot that GOTG made well over 700 million. The only movie I see making Ant-Man numbers is Ant-Man. Compare him with the heroes in phase 3, Scott Lang has the most ridiculous powerset. "A man that wears a magical suit that allows him to shrink to half an inch and he flies on ants and controls them with his mind!

And Marvel can not really plan sequals for Phase 4, as they will have to announce their new schedule around the time the Black Panther hits the theaters.
So we have a lot of new characters, but almost no possibilites to see some sequals - and if, it will be like "Ant-Man". First movie in 2015, next one earliest winter 2019, maybe summer 2020...

Especially with "Ms. Marvel" and "Inhumans", they have to check the box-office numbers first, i think, before they can continue the franchises...

It's Captain Marvel, btw and her movie will be epic.

So, it will be very crowded in Phase 4, and maybe it won`t be the best idea to cancel some old franchises (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor or the Avengers) just to show some sequals to new franchises...

I think Marvel is hedging their bets. Introducing four new movies, believing that 3 out of 4 of them will probably be blockbuster hits. So, that way, Marvel can phase out some of their older characters, while continuing to do sequels for the new ones.

 

[meanmc]

@ Mike5575

Hey, thanks for your comments...

With Hulk, i know... (all CGI, no Banner, rights issues etc.)
Don`t you think that it is possible, that phase 4 will be build around "these two Hulk movies" with the final Hulk vs. Avengers?
What would be else "the way for the Avengers"?

Yes, its Captain Marvel, sorry... And of course just Thor`s Clone...

We will see, how the new heroes succeed at the box office...
Why do you think Captain Marvel will be a big hit?

"Moving on"... Yes, sometimes they are much too fast for me But that`s movies...
But i do not think, that they can succeed without Iron Man or the other "big names".
And i think it would be stupid too, but we will see, how the new characters do at the box-office...

 

[Mike Murdock]

Captain America:
Everybody knows, that Cap dies at the end of Civil War (in the comic books), and someone else takes the shield.

BTW, isn't it more accurate to say Captain America died after the end of Civil War? The actual storyline concluded and then Captain America 25 happened.

 

[meanmc]

BTW, isn't it more accurate to say Captain America died after the end of Civil War? The actual storyline concluded and then Captain America 25 happened.

I am not familiar with the comics. You are most probably right

 

[ernesth100]

Ya know, everytime I think about the possibility of them killing off CA at the end of Civil War or IW, I keep thinking of how hilarious the inevitable backlash will be.

 

[InternetPeople]

After Civil War? No. During Infinity War with everyone else? Yes! Because the Gauntlet will be used to restore everything.

 

[ernesth100]

That reminds me, aren't there two Gauntlets in the MCU?

 

[InternetPeople]

I don't know the actual answer. The gauntlet in Asgard is a deleted scene, I think, but I would wait for the films to answer it. My guess is we'll know the answer in Ragnarok.

I think I remember someone saying Feige said something about there being two gauntlets but I would find the quote before believing anyone.

 

[ernesth100]

It would be an fairly original and unexpected way to defeat Thanos. With a counter gauntlet powered by counter gems or the spirits of the heroes or something. Does that sound incredibly cliche or is it just me?

 

[InternetPeople]

That does sound bad. If there are two then maybe they both need to be worn for the wearer to be truly omnipotent. I hope there is only one.

 

[Mike5575]

@ Mike5575

Hey, thanks for your comments...

With Hulk, i know... (all CGI, no Banner, rights issues etc.)
Don`t you think that it is possible, that phase 4 will be build around "these two Hulk movies" with the final Hulk vs. Avengers?
What would be else "the way for the Avengers"?

Yes, its Captain Marvel, sorry... And of course just Thor`s Clone...

We will see, how the new heroes succeed at the box office...
Why do you think Captain Marvel will be a big hit?

"Moving on"... Yes, sometimes they are much too fast for me But that`s movies...
But i do not think, that they can succeed without Iron Man or the other "big names".
And i think it would be stupid too, but we will see, how the new characters do at the box-office...

The Captain Marvel movie will be a lead in to Infinity War II. Considering Carol gets her powers in space after an incident with the Kree and Feige described her as an Earthbound hero with cosmic powers and adventures, I think Marvel is planning something epic with Captain Marvel as a character bridging the Marvel Cosmic with Earth. She basically has Superman-like powers, described as "one of, if not the most powerful heroes", but is not a boyscout like Supes, she's more like Hal Jordan by comparison.

As far as a Hulk movie, no I don't want a Hulk vs Avengers movie. Only diehard Hulk fans want to watch the Hulk beat the tar out of everyone else's favorite heroes. As I said, Marvel should take baby steps with Hulk. Make a decent Hulk film with him here on Earth, then consider a Planet Hulk movie in the future. As I said before, TIH has been Marvel's weakest movie so far.
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As far as the old heroes being phased out, I honestly believe that we could do without Thor. Have him become King Thor and rule Asgard. His movies have been the weakest thus far. Iron Man would be recast or retired and Cap still has a few more years. It's possible Marvel may need to keep some of the old heroes around, or maybe all of them get replaced. It's impossible to know for certain. There's no reason to suspect that none of the new heroes being introduced to replace IM, Cap, or Thor. As great as those characters are, people are going to get tired of the same characters every few years. There are tons of interesting characters Marvel has not made movies for yet. It would be a shame if Marvel took no risk and stuck with the same three ove and over again.

 

[ernesth100]

So I'm wondering how Carol gets into space to even get those powers.

 

[flickchick85]

I still think it's possible that those "powers" come to her. As in a Kree invasion of Earth of some kind. And she doesn't begin her real space travels until after her origin is done.

 

[ernesth100]

I just assumed they'd go the easy route. Captain Mar Vell has been on Earth preparing it for Kree destruction. He meets Carol and develops a connection, see's the Earth for it's beauty. A single Kree ship comes to check his progress, he tries to stop them. In the process Carol is caught in the crossfire but Captain Mar Vell shields her with his body. Pieces of his DNA get fused with hers and she gets powers. Simple as that. The after a while the Kree come in for the full scale invasion.Final battle etc, you know what happens.

 

[flickchick85]

Sounds plausible enough.

 

[Mike5575]

I just assumed they'd go the easy route. Captain Mar Vell has been on Earth preparing it for Kree destruction. He meets Carol and develops a connection, see's the Earth for it's beauty. A single Kree ship comes to check his progress, he tries to stop them. In the process Carol is caught in the crossfire but Captain Mar Vell shields her with his body. Pieces of his DNA get fused with hers and she gets powers. Simple as that. The after a while the Kree come in for the full scale invasion.Final battle etc, you know what happens.

That's possible, but I think Marvel would intergrate Carol's origin with IW1 to help streamline things. The Kree can be part of an invasion force sent by Thanos. She has a job with NASA, detects alien force, works with Mar-Vell who is disguised as a consultant to NASA and she gets her powers.

 

[flickchick85]

Anybody else think the MCU version of NASA might just be the equivalent of SWORD at this point (IF Marvel doesn't have the rights to SWORD, that is)?

 

[Mike5575]

Sure, just call it LANCE or SPEAR, instead. Introduce an Abigal Brand type character but give her purple hair instead of green. Seriously, I just want FOX to die so there wouldn't be all of these restrictions.