MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 3

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ernesth100 said:
They dont have to recast. They can just have the characters die/retire when the actors contract expires or whatever. For example Stark gets old, retires with Pepper and hands his mantle over to Vision or something. Cap retires and hands the mantle to...Bucky or Falcon or Spidey, I dunno. Maybe Fur y dies and Cap directs SHIELD. Maybe Cap dies and the just hang his shield up on a stand next to a statue of him in a museum or something.

Maybw the Avengers eventually hand there mantle over too a new team they organized. They dont HAVE to be recasted they can just let the MCU run its course with all the heroes.
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That would be a mistake imo. You don't take these characters out of play completely just because one actor wants to leave/gets too old. That's a waste. Recasting is the best option.

-They've recast James Bond multiple times.
-They've recast Batman multiple times.
-They've recast Superman multiple times.
-They've recast Spider-Man multiple times.
-Etc.

There's precedence for this.
 
I'd much rather see a Damage Control sitcom than that Bobbi and Lance spinoff thing, those 2 characters are better off on AoS anyway. I hope it makes it to series.
 
Loki882 said:
That would be a mistake imo. You don't take these characters out of play completely just because one actor wants to leave/gets too old. That's a waste. Recasting is the best option.

-They've recast James Bond multiple times.
-They've recast Batman multiple times.
-They've recast Superman multiple times.
-They've recast Spider-Man multiple times.
-Etc.

There's precedence for this.
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True, but there is also no precedence for what Marvel is doing. It is clear that they don't focus on one hero like Batman or Spider-Man. Sony has recast Spider-Man because that's the only hero they have. DC has recast Batman, because that's their only really successful franchise. Now Marvel, everything they touch is gold. I don't mind more Captain America or Iron Man movies, but I don't want Doctor Strange 2 or an even newer franchise being held back, just so Marvel can make Captain America 7.
 
Loki882 said:
That would be a mistake imo. You don't take these characters out of play completely just because one actor wants to leave/gets too old. That's a waste. Recasting is the best option.

-They've recast James Bond multiple times.
-They've recast Batman multiple times.
-They've recast Superman multiple times.
-They've recast Spider-Man multiple times.
-Etc.

There's precedence for this.
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For Spider-Man and Superman they've only recast for a new franchise/continuity/universe (unless you count Superman Returns as a sequel to Superman II). And none of these have been in a multi-franchise universe like this before now.
I think it's far more important to have a nice flowing greater story with some variation in characters and IPs than it is to keep getting back to the same few characters no matter what.
In many cases it would be possible to write the character as stopping being an Avenger in order to do something more low-key, like running SHIELD, retiring, disappearing into space, go missing, etc. Then it would still be possible for the actors to return as the character years later in case they are willing to return to the role after having a sizable break of MCU stuff, and having been able to do other projects they want to do.
Also, there are always a lot of characters available who could fill gaps left by Iron Man or Captain America and such, either as legacy characters, as characters with ties to the missing character or just as characters with certain characteristics that are now missing.
 
From SHH's sister site, ComingSoon.

http://www.comingsoon.net/dvd/featu...oss-whedons-avengers-age-of-ultron-commentary

10. Joss Wedon Says Goodbye to the Marvel Cinematic Universe

“I am at war with my own intentions when I make these things,” writer and director Joss Whedon explains on the Avengers: Age of Ultron commentary track. “I want to make a fantasy, but I am offended by the irresponsibility of the fantastic. The tone of the thing is something that I have to play with very specifically.”

To that end, one of the major takeaways from Whedon’s Age of Ultron commentary is the reminder that Whedon is his own harshest critic .

“I look at this movie as a series of compromises and failures, just so you know,” Whedon reveals at one point. “I’m not actually going to emphasize that and I’m talking to my shrink about it. The things about it I love, I love very much, but I always think, “I could have done better there.”

Whedon finally closes out the Avengers: Age of Ultron commentary by noting that he’s not planning to return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

“To put these guys in marble, it elevates them,” says Whedon, “but it also grounds them in a way, saying, ‘yeah, these guys are veterans of a war that they fought to the last and, in some cases, gave the last full measure. That they should be remembered. Than an era is over. As this is my goodbye to the world of Marvel, it seems like a nice one.”
 
Mike5575 said:
True, but there is also no precedence for what Marvel is doing. It is clear that they don't focus on one hero like Batman or Spider-Man. Sony has recast Spider-Man because that's the only hero they have. DC has recast Batman, because that's their only really successful franchise. Now Marvel, everything they touch is gold. I don't mind more Captain America or Iron Man movies, but I don't want Doctor Strange 2 or an even newer franchise being held back, just so Marvel can make Captain America 7.
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Except that it's not an either or scenario. You don't have to constantly focus on them, but still keep them around (and recast if necessary). It's not that hard actually.
 
SirStrangefolk said:
For Spider-Man and Superman they've only recast for a new franchise/continuity/universe (unless you count Superman Returns as a sequel to Superman II). And none of these have been in a multi-franchise universe like this before now.
I think it's far more important to have a nice flowing greater story with some variation in characters and IPs than it is to keep getting back to the same few characters no matter what.
In many cases it would be possible to write the character as stopping being an Avenger in order to do something more low-key, like running SHIELD, retiring, disappearing into space, go missing, etc. Then it would still be possible for the actors to return as the character years later in case they are willing to return to the role after having a sizable break of MCU stuff, and having been able to do other projects they want to do.
Also, there are always a lot of characters available who could fill gaps left by Iron Man or Captain America and such, either as legacy characters, as characters with ties to the missing character or just as characters with certain characteristics that are now missing.
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I think it's far more important to have a nice flowing greater story

In many cases it would be possible to write the character as stopping being an Avenger in order to do something more low-key, like running SHIELD, retiring, disappearing into space, go missing, etc. Then it would still be possible for the actors to return as the character years later in case they are willing to return to the role after having a sizable break of MCU stuff, and having been able to do other projects they want to do.

You're contradicting yourself. You're basically saying that they should specifically go out of their way to contrive/find a way to write these characters out UNLESS they can keep the original actors, which is the exact opposite of "having a nice flowing greater story." Finding new roles for them, and recasting if necessary, fits that notion much better.

As for "well the MCU is different because, reasons" do you really think that the GA will make that distinction if the new people are good? Do you really think that they obsessively pay attention to that stuff or make that distinction, because I don't? Also, the previous track record kind of comes down on my side.
 
eddy said:
From SHH's sister site, ComingSoon.

http://www.comingsoon.net/dvd/featu...oss-whedons-avengers-age-of-ultron-commentary

10. Joss Wedon Says Goodbye to the Marvel Cinematic Universe

“I am at war with my own intentions when I make these things,” writer and director Joss Whedon explains on the Avengers: Age of Ultron commentary track. “I want to make a fantasy, but I am offended by the irresponsibility of the fantastic. The tone of the thing is something that I have to play with very specifically.”

To that end, one of the major takeaways from Whedon’s Age of Ultron commentary is the reminder that Whedon is his own harshest critic .

“I look at this movie as a series of compromises and failures, just so you know,” Whedon reveals at one point. “I’m not actually going to emphasize that and I’m talking to my shrink about it. The things about it I love, I love very much, but I always think, “I could have done better there.”

Whedon finally closes out the Avengers: Age of Ultron commentary by noting that he’s not planning to return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

“To put these guys in marble, it elevates them,” says Whedon, “but it also grounds them in a way, saying, ‘yeah, these guys are veterans of a war that they fought to the last and, in some cases, gave the last full measure. That they should be remembered. Than an era is over. As this is my goodbye to the world of Marvel, it seems like a nice one.”
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Joss is so humble when talking about his works. Loved listening to this commentary.
 
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First Avenger said:
Joss is so humble when talking about his works. Loved listening to this commentary.
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He sounds beat down and bitter, which is really unfortunate. I'd love him to be a consultant on occasion, since I think he'd do such a good job.
 
Joss Whedon was awesome, and sure maybe the humor was a little too much at times, but some of the complaints are over the top. AOU was too funny? Really. If people don't like all that humor, then maybe they should go watch DC. Whedon showed how much of a fan he is and he's really just a kid at heart. Seriously, that film wasn't a comic book movie, it was a comic book brought to life. Scenes like Thor, IM, and Vision coming together to melt Ultron gave me a nerdgasm. Oh my goodness, that was awesome! Was it flawed? Sure, but it was a great film and Whedon will be missed.

Oh, and Black Widow fans that hate Whedon for how he handled her is total BS, and I loved how Feige defended him in a recent interview.
 
He sounds burnt out. Which isn't surprising given all that he had to deal with with making this film, and after. He should probably take some time off, recharge his batteries, and go back to telling awesome stories again. Maybe finally make Doctor Horrible 2 or something.
 
Mike Murdock said:
He sounds beat down and bitter, which is really unfortunate. I'd love him to be a consultant on occasion, since I think he'd do such a good job.
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He sounded quite disappointed. A lot of scenes he seemed pissed off that he couldn't include.
 
I think Joss Whedon ran his course with the MCU. Maybe he'll come back when he's ready, but for now he deserves a break and time to work on other projects. Hell who knows maybe the DCCU will pick him up.
 
Mike Murdock said:
He sounds beat down and bitter, which is really unfortunate. I'd love him to be a consultant on occasion, since I think he'd do such a good job.
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They needed 4 people,2 directors and 2 writers,to replace him. Think about it. A movie like this on one man's shoulders is bound to exhaust. I don't know who listened to the commentary but while he was definately tired,he also seems satisfied while pointing out what he feels are his own flaws as a director. He doesn't sound pissed at Marvel,not even in the empire podcast,multiple times he said the movie almost completely matches his original vision. I think him being burnt out is mostly a combination of making a gigantic movie/deliver on unbelievably high expectations.
 
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Well, I hope he rests well knowing he gave us two great Avengers films and we appreciate his hard work.
 
Mike5575 said:
Joss Whedon was awesome, and sure maybe the humor was a little too much at times, but some of the complaints are over the top. AOU was too funny? Really. If people don't like all that humor, then maybe they should go watch DC. Whedon showed how much of a fan he is and he's really just a kid at heart. Seriously, that film wasn't a comic book movie, it was a comic book brought to life. Scenes like Thor, IM, and Vision coming together to melt Ultron gave me a nerdgasm. Oh my goodness, that was awesome! Was it flawed? Sure, but it was a great film and Whedon will be missed.

Oh, and Black Widow fans that hate Whedon for how he handled her is total BS, and I loved how Feige defended him in a recent interview.
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What interview? I'd be interested in watching/hearing it if you know where it is :)
 
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