Dark of the Moon Michael Bay has killed Transformers for me

[nogap87]

No one expects a Transformers flick to be Oscar worthy material. Rational people anyway.

It's a solid concept spoiled by humping dogs, annoying parents, questionable humor, and a surprising lack of cool looking robots (unless you're in to chicken legs and bug faces).

 

[gkokujin]

I must be the only person who felt the tone of the DREAMWAVE comics fit EXACTLY how TF movies should be.

before Dreamwave bit the dust, their TF books were INCREDIBLE and EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING i wanted as an adult from my beloved franchise.

It had MODERATE humor, HEAVY ACTION, LIMITED HUMAN INTERACTION and STABLE Folk lore and history.

I realize that I have to look at the movies (i refuse to watch the second one) as "this is a movie BASED ON characters that may or may not exist in the Hasbro/Transformer universe."
does it hurt?
like hell it does, but it helps me deal with the hatred for these god awful GoBot movies that some how hold the name Transformers

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

"It does have an end, yes, Because I am finished doing this." - Bay

Good riddance, *****e.

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

I dont know what you guys are looking for in a Transformers movie. Sure the second movie sucked I will give you that, but the first movie was pretty good in my book. Now I am not TF Diehard and I don't know a whole lot about the mythology but I did go back and watch some of the G1 stuff and played the War for cybertron game that recently came out.

I mean I know some of you have good childhood memories of TF and thats fine. But if you put your fanboyism aside the G1 storylines and dialouge and stuff is kinda crappy now. Some of it is down right silly and laughable.
How serious does a movie about robots that can change in to cars, tanks, planes have to be?

For god's sake the cartoon, comics came about from TOYS!!!!!!! A super dark grim, rated R Transformers movie would be ******ed. Sure some of the humor in TF2 was stupid and Bay went about it all wrong, these movies need some form of humor.

Now as as for the teaser for TF3 it looks awesome! And for you Bay haters it seems to have a much darker more serious tone. Happy now??

Well said. People want these movies to be bigger than their potential ffs!

 

[Marvin]

"It does have an end, yes, Because I am finished doing this." - Bay

Good riddance, *****e.

Will all the belligerent fan boys and the hyperbolic criticism about a film that had flaws but was hardly supermario bros(even with the production woes), the production demands that require months of demanding work beyond most films of the same length, and all that with set in stone 4th of july deadlines...
most directors like to spread their seeds around different films for many reasons including their personal CV's(Nolan), Bays been doing this back to back to back...

I'm glad he's "finished" doing these films too, his fans and non fans would like to see him do something else.

I love how he stuck around to give "fans" a proper send off(after a flawed film) and didn't just cut and run to do magic kingdom for disney

good riddance indeed.

 

[roach]

Will all the belligerent fan boys and the hyperbolic criticism about a film that had flaws but was hardly supermario bros(even with the production woes), the production demands that require months of demanding work beyond most films of the same length, and all that with set in stone 4th of july deadlines...
most directors like to spread their seeds around different films for many reasons including their personal CV's(Nolan), Bays been doing this back to back to back...

I'm glad he's "finished" doing these films too, his fans and non fans would like to see him do something else.

I love how he stuck around to give "fans" a proper send off(after a flawed film) and didn't just cut and run to do magic kingdom for disney

good riddance indeed.

oh snap

 

[nogap87]

In all fairness, Paramount is kissing Bay's ass waaaaaaay more than Marvel ever did Favreau's. If JF felt he couldn't make a great sequel than I'm glad he cut and ran.

If you weren't being sarcastic than just disregard this post.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Will all the belligerent fan boys and the hyperbolic criticism about a film that had flaws but was hardly supermario bros(even with the production woes), the production demands that require months of demanding work beyond most films of the same length, and all that with set in stone 4th of july deadlines...
most directors like to spread their seeds around different films for many reasons including their personal CV's(Nolan), Bays been doing this back to back to back...

I'm glad he's "finished" doing these films too, his fans and non fans would like to see him do something else.

I love how he stuck around to give "fans" a proper send off(after a flawed film) and didn't just cut and run to do magic kingdom for disney

good riddance indeed.

A proper send off? HAHAHA!

oh wait, you're serious.

You are aware Bay gets paid over 200 million for TF3 despite his contempt for the franchise? Do you really think Favreau would've left Iron Man 3 if Marvel studios weren't so cheap?

"Proper send off". LMAO.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Well said. People want these movies to be bigger than their potential ffs!

If you think Bayformers reaches the full potential of a Transformers movie then you either know nothing of the TF mythos or you have a terribly limited imagination.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

For god's sake the cartoon, comics came about from TOYS!!!!!!!

and Toy Story 3 was nominated for Best Picture... what's your point?

 

[Marvin]

A proper send off? HAHAHA!

oh wait, you're serious.

You are aware Bay gets paid over 200 million for TF3 despite his contempt for the franchise? Do you really think Favreau would've left Iron Man 3 if Marvel studios weren't so cheap?

"Proper send off". LMAO.

Oh, well it's good to know that UNLIKE BAY, some directors are in it for something other than the money.


you can judge the proper-ness of the send off after you see it..
unless you won't be wasting your money like the rest of us.

If you think Bayformers reaches the full potential of a Transformers movie then you either know nothing of the TF mythos or you have a terribly limited imagination.

I'm curious if you can name one comic book adaptation that has reached it's source material's "full potential"
honest question.

and Toy Story 3 was nominated for Best Picture... what's your point?

that's fresh
I wonder if a certain Norse mythology based tent pole looking to be released this may will be winning best picture as well...
In fact it's probably going to get a ton of acting awards for all the big time actors in it...
In fact it's at least going to sweep the technical awards..
put simply, intent plays a large part in all of this.

that's not fair, so i'll just address the point you tried to make instead,
toy story wasn't based on a saturday morning commercial. That's like Condemning Tarantino's "fun" take on WW2 with Inglorious Bastards for not being The Thin Red Line.

 

[Hotwire]

and Toy Story 3 was nominated for Best Picture... what's your point?

Your argument is a little off. Yes, the characters in Toy Story are toys, not in the sense that Transformers were, but rather in the sense that the characters in A Bug's Life, are bugs.

The Toy Story movies were not designed to simply be a giant commercial for the toy line any more than Cars was designed to sell cars. Transformers was. Toy Story was always about the actual story and characters and the dynamic of their relationships. Transformers was a series of thinly plotted shows meant to be eye candy for kids and designed to get them to beg their parents to buy the figures. (Which in most cases barely resembled their TV counterparts. This has nothing to do with my point, it's just a complaint I've had since childhood.)

 

[Ken-Kaniff]

If you think Bayformers reaches the full potential of a Transformers movie then you either know nothing of the TF mythos or you have a terribly limited imagination.

lmfao...raging TF fans ftw! And tell me what would be the FULL POTENTIAL of a movie based on robots who can transform into cars? Enlighten me what the hell can be transcended into the big screen with such a great story when you have such material.

The Transformers will always be summer blockbuster movies where you would just have to enjoy the action. If you expect something great story wise & acting wise, then these movies aren't for you.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I was a serious Transformers fan from 1984 - 2007. When the first movie came out... I lost almost all interest in the entire franchise. The 2nd movie came out and Optimus Prime was somewhat redeemed... but the bots were still second fiddlers to the humans with no real personalities other than cliche/stereotypical cannon fodder blah blah suck suck crappiness. I can't even form a decent sentence about their characters... they are just that 'meh'.

I'm still a Negatron. I predict an equal amount of suckage for this new movie.

Really Michael Bay killed your interest when an episode when an episode featuring Springer fighting a dragon for a Princess didn't. I mean I'll grant you the movies are far from good, and the only reasons I've liked them are entirely superficial...I haven't rewatched them in a while either. But killed your interest, I mean seriously.

The only thing that nearly killed my interest was Action Masters because they didn't transform! That was stupid. After Beast Wars proved to be a hit though, and Beast Machines proved to be stunningly well written there is a lot of change I can handle. Michael Bay can't ruin Transformers for me, it's impossible. The only people whose childhoods he can rape are people who never were that into the franchise to begin with.

I mean honestly I'll take Michael Bay over KISS Players*, Masterforce, RiD, and the Armada Trilogy any day of the week. I'm not saying he's brilliant, but Transformers has weathered a lot worse than him. Also, Transformers Prime is supposedly a dang good show (although I haven't seen it yet).

*For those who don't know, KISS Players was a line of Transformers comics and toys. The term "KISS" refers to the fact that these particular Transformers needed to be kissed by young, underaged girls to transform. Yes, this is incredibly for real.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

If you think Bayformers reaches the full potential of a Transformers movie then you either know nothing of the TF mythos or you have a terribly limited imagination.

I can quote TFTM 1986 line by line, I know more about Transformers than most diehard nerds, and have every comic they've ever published and every TF episode they've ever produced including all Japanese shows...and IMO Transformers is incredible crap.

I've loved the show since it's inception, and loved the comics just as much, but it amuses me how many fans still think it's this untapped resource for incredible science fiction. It really is not. Our shining moment as Transformers fans is probably "The Adgenda" or "Code of Hero" (Dinobot valiantly sacrificing himself), before that it might have been TFTM.

In it's day TFTM was critically panned, even moreso than Bay's first attempt. It's marketing was a**, and it barely stayed in theaters. It's plot is full of holes so large that Unicron could drive his family through them, and the dialogue is choppy and full of exposition. I'd venture to say if you weren't a kid, like myself, who grew up in the eighties you'd find it woefully bad because the nostalgia factor is all that it has (in spades).

IMO Transformers is hardly good enough to make a good movie out of it. I think Bay probably squeezed about 80% of the properties potential. I mean look at what he has done. He's done a bang up job of fusing the mythos into the story. He's got robots that can teleport, he's done scenes on Cybertron, and he's included the allspark (a running theme through four of their cartoons). He's also included the Matrix, made reference to the Pretenders, and brought back many G1 voice actors. In this newest movie he's even bringing in Sentinel Prime! You can accuse Bay of many things, but leaving out mythos!?!? Not paying attention to the source material?!?!? He's done a superb job of that.

Too many Human scenes? Transformers has usually linked themselves to our world with human characters, strong ones, that hogged a ton of screen time. Spike Witwicky frequently was the star of G1 episodes and issues.

What he's done poorly is balancing comedy and action. This is no surprise. The only movie he ever did a good job of that was The Rock.

I think Bay does a lot of things wrong, but I will give him props for completing a franchise even if it wasn't the next Star Wars. The other side of this coin is if you want a reboot on the movies, you'll probably get one and no one will care amongst the fan community. Transformers can ALWAYS be rebooted. They've done it like clockwork since it was created. Before it was 1990 they had four, count them, four divergent timelines. So when Bay's finished almost anyone can do a new series or series of movies.

 

[patrolman77]

As a huge G1, Beast Wars fan. The movies just did not do them justice. Not even using the same guy for Prime didn't save it for me. The story is all wrong and Bay had to make it so raunchy I couldn't take my kids to see the 2nd one, but they made toys for them to want to see it. Bay should be taken off of this and I hope this is the last one out by him.

 

[Stikmann]

I can quote TFTM 1986 line by line, I know more about Transformers than most diehard nerds, and have every comic they've ever published and every TF episode they've ever produced including all Japanese shows...and IMO Transformers is incredible crap.

I've loved the show since it's inception, and loved the comics just as much, but it amuses me how many fans still think it's this untapped resource for incredible science fiction. It really is not. Our shining moment as Transformers fans is probably "The Adgenda" or "Code of Hero" (Dinobot valiantly sacrificing himself), before that it might have been TFTM.

In it's day TFTM was critically panned, even moreso than Bay's first attempt. It's marketing was a**, and it barely stayed in theaters. It's plot is full of holes so large that Unicron could drive his family through them, and the dialogue is choppy and full of exposition. I'd venture to say if you weren't a kid, like myself, who grew up in the eighties you'd find it woefully bad because the nostalgia factor is all that it has (in spades).

IMO Transformers is hardly good enough to make a good movie out of it. I think Bay probably squeezed about 80% of the properties potential. I mean look at what he has done. He's done a bang up job of fusing the mythos into the story. He's got robots that can teleport, he's done scenes on Cybertron, and he's included the allspark (a running theme through four of their cartoons). He's also included the Matrix, made reference to the Pretenders, and brought back many G1 voice actors. In this newest movie he's even bringing in Sentinel Prime! You can accuse Bay of many things, but leaving out mythos!?!? Not paying attention to the source material?!?!? He's done a superb job of that.

Too many Human scenes? Transformers has usually linked themselves to our world with human characters, strong ones, that hogged a ton of screen time. Spike Witwicky frequently was the star of G1 episodes and issues.

What he's done poorly is balancing comedy and action. This is no surprise. The only movie he ever did a good job of that was The Rock.

I think Bay does a lot of things wrong, but I will give him props for completing a franchise even if it wasn't the next Star Wars. The other side of this coin is if you want a reboot on the movies, you'll probably get one and no one will care amongst the fan community. Transformers can ALWAYS be rebooted. They've done it like clockwork since it was created. Before it was 1990 they had four, count them, four divergent timelines. So when Bay's finished almost anyone can do a new series or series of movies.

Tremendous! Well said.

 

[Mace Dolex]

As a huge G1 fan I loved both the TF movies, this is what Transformers is all about giant alien robots kicking the crap out of each other.

If anything we should complain about is TF Animated and Armada/Energon/Cybertron.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Your argument is a little off. Yes, the characters in Toy Story are toys, not in the sense that Transformers were, but rather in the sense that the characters in A Bug's Life, are bugs.

The Toy Story movies were not designed to simply be a giant commercial for the toy line any more than Cars was designed to sell cars. Transformers was. Toy Story was always about the actual story and characters and the dynamic of their relationships. Transformers was a series of thinly plotted shows meant to be eye candy for kids and designed to get them to beg their parents to buy the figures. (Which in most cases barely resembled their TV counterparts. This has nothing to do with my point, it's just a complaint I've had since childhood.)

But Toy Story and Cars help sell alot of toys. They probably make more from toys sales than they do from box office.

If you think current kids movies aren't made to sell toys you're sadly mistaken. Even oscar nominated stuff like Toy Story 3 is made to push toys on kids.

Toy Story 3 is made to enteratain and sell toys. Transformers should be no different. Just because toy execs want only an increase in toy sales doesn't mean the artist who make the movies should have the same limited goals. Sky's the limit.

 

[nogap87]

Why does Bay get props for completing this franchise? Any other director would do the same thing if they were being paid the amount of money he's getting.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I can quote TFTM 1986 line by line, I know more about Transformers than most diehard nerds, and have every comic they've ever published and every TF episode they've ever produced including all Japanese shows...and IMO Transformers is incredible crap.

I've loved the show since it's inception, and loved the comics just as much, but it amuses me how many fans still think it's this untapped resource for incredible science fiction. It really is not. Our shining moment as Transformers fans is probably "The Adgenda" or "Code of Hero" (Dinobot valiantly sacrificing himself), before that it might have been TFTM.

In it's day TFTM was critically panned, even moreso than Bay's first attempt. It's marketing was a**, and it barely stayed in theaters. It's plot is full of holes so large that Unicron could drive his family through them, and the dialogue is choppy and full of exposition. I'd venture to say if you weren't a kid, like myself, who grew up in the eighties you'd find it woefully bad because the nostalgia factor is all that it has (in spades).

IMO Transformers is hardly good enough to make a good movie out of it. I think Bay probably squeezed about 80% of the properties potential. I mean look at what he has done. He's done a bang up job of fusing the mythos into the story. He's got robots that can teleport, he's done scenes on Cybertron, and he's included the allspark (a running theme through four of their cartoons). He's also included the Matrix, made reference to the Pretenders, and brought back many G1 voice actors. In this newest movie he's even bringing in Sentinel Prime! You can accuse Bay of many things, but leaving out mythos!?!? Not paying attention to the source material?!?!? He's done a superb job of that.

Too many Human scenes? Transformers has usually linked themselves to our world with human characters, strong ones, that hogged a ton of screen time. Spike Witwicky frequently was the star of G1 episodes and issues.

What he's done poorly is balancing comedy and action. This is no surprise. The only movie he ever did a good job of that was The Rock.

I think Bay does a lot of things wrong, but I will give him props for completing a franchise even if it wasn't the next Star Wars. The other side of this coin is if you want a reboot on the movies, you'll probably get one and no one will care amongst the fan community. Transformers can ALWAYS be rebooted. They've done it like clockwork since it was created. Before it was 1990 they had four, count them, four divergent timelines. So when Bay's finished almost anyone can do a new series or series of movies.

Transformers has the potential to be something better than what Bay has given us.

If you look at the summaries of TF mythos on wiki it's just as complex and colorful as anything you'd find in Star Wars, ET, even Harry Potter. All of these have simple premise with wonderful detail and story added.

Living machines who fight over energy for galactic supremacy end up on Earth which becomes a stategic tool. Sounds like legitimate sci-fi to me. It's only limited by the imagination of the writers and directors.

 

[Mr. Credible]

I can quote TFTM 1986 line by line, I know more about Transformers than most diehard nerds, and have every comic they've ever published and every TF episode they've ever produced including all Japanese shows...and IMO Transformers is incredible crap.

I've loved the show since it's inception, and loved the comics just as much, but it amuses me how many fans still think it's this untapped resource for incredible science fiction. It really is not. Our shining moment as Transformers fans is probably "The Adgenda" or "Code of Hero" (Dinobot valiantly sacrificing himself), before that it might have been TFTM.

In it's day TFTM was critically panned, even moreso than Bay's first attempt. It's marketing was a**, and it barely stayed in theaters. It's plot is full of holes so large that Unicron could drive his family through them, and the dialogue is choppy and full of exposition. I'd venture to say if you weren't a kid, like myself, who grew up in the eighties you'd find it woefully bad because the nostalgia factor is all that it has (in spades).

IMO Transformers is hardly good enough to make a good movie out of it. I think Bay probably squeezed about 80% of the properties potential. I mean look at what he has done. He's done a bang up job of fusing the mythos into the story. He's got robots that can teleport, he's done scenes on Cybertron, and he's included the allspark (a running theme through four of their cartoons). He's also included the Matrix, made reference to the Pretenders, and brought back many G1 voice actors. In this newest movie he's even bringing in Sentinel Prime! You can accuse Bay of many things, but leaving out mythos!?!? Not paying attention to the source material?!?!? He's done a superb job of that.

Too many Human scenes? Transformers has usually linked themselves to our world with human characters, strong ones, that hogged a ton of screen time. Spike Witwicky frequently was the star of G1 episodes and issues.

What he's done poorly is balancing comedy and action. This is no surprise. The only movie he ever did a good job of that was The Rock.

I think Bay does a lot of things wrong, but I will give him props for completing a franchise even if it wasn't the next Star Wars. The other side of this coin is if you want a reboot on the movies, you'll probably get one and no one will care amongst the fan community. Transformers can ALWAYS be rebooted. They've done it like clockwork since it was created. Before it was 1990 they had four, count them, four divergent timelines. So when Bay's finished almost anyone can do a new series or series of movies.

well said.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

But Toy Story and Cars help sell alot of toys. They probably make more from toys sales than they do from box office.

If you think current kids movies aren't made to sell toys you're sadly mistaken. Even oscar nominated stuff like Toy Story 3 is made to push toys on kids.

Toy Story 3 is made to enteratain and sell toys. Transformers should be no different. Just because toy execs want only an increase in toy sales doesn't mean the artist who make the movies should have the same limited goals. Sky's the limit.

TRANSFORMERS was a toy commercial. Every. Last. Bit. Of. It

Transformers, unlike Toy Story, was a cartoon made by committee. The episodes were written weakly and often exchanged plots with other toy based property cartoons. Unlike Toy Story the franchise was not an idea so good it warranted toys and a fanbase, it was toys so good it warranted a 30 minute long commercial.

Transformers has always been about the toys, which were written into the show as they came out. Ever wonder why Optimus had to die in 1986? Because Optimus was no longer sold in 1987 as a new toy. Rodimus, Ultra Magnus and Springer were. You know why Starscream's ghost came back in season 3? Because his toy was a mail-in that year.

Transformers is a really dumb idea, I mean really preposterous. An Alien race that transforms into Earth Vehicles. That's why convoluted plot elements like "Cybertronian Mode" and "The Allspark" and "The Quintessons" were added. The origin stories within the show don't even agree with each other, ever.

Transformers has never been high brow science fiction. It's a creative writing project at best. A writer l-i-t-e-r-a-l-l-y was handed a bunch of toylines (really, there were four) and told to stitch them together in a story. There is a certain genius to what they (Bob Budinski and Neal Adams) did but it's always been a mish-mash of parts.

Look, I'm not saying Bay is God, although that's what my religion believes, but I will say you expect too much from this fiction. Bay's mistake was his horrible sense of humor and comedic timing, and his inability to do an action movie without inserting poor raunchy jokes. Perhaps his orange filter and shakey camera style bug you too. But...This property will never produce anything more than superficial entertainment, which is something Bay did do well...apart from the awful dialogue and poor humor.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Edit: Double Post

 

[Hotwire]

I can quote TFTM 1986 line by line, I know more about Transformers than most diehard nerds, and have every comic they've ever published and every TF episode they've ever produced including all Japanese shows...and IMO Transformers is incredible crap.

I've loved the show since it's inception, and loved the comics just as much, but it amuses me how many fans still think it's this untapped resource for incredible science fiction. It really is not. Our shining moment as Transformers fans is probably "The Adgenda" or "Code of Hero" (Dinobot valiantly sacrificing himself), before that it might have been TFTM.

In it's day TFTM was critically panned, even moreso than Bay's first attempt. It's marketing was a**, and it barely stayed in theaters. It's plot is full of holes so large that Unicron could drive his family through them, and the dialogue is choppy and full of exposition. I'd venture to say if you weren't a kid, like myself, who grew up in the eighties you'd find it woefully bad because the nostalgia factor is all that it has (in spades).

IMO Transformers is hardly good enough to make a good movie out of it. I think Bay probably squeezed about 80% of the properties potential. I mean look at what he has done. He's done a bang up job of fusing the mythos into the story. He's got robots that can teleport, he's done scenes on Cybertron, and he's included the allspark (a running theme through four of their cartoons). He's also included the Matrix, made reference to the Pretenders, and brought back many G1 voice actors. In this newest movie he's even bringing in Sentinel Prime! You can accuse Bay of many things, but leaving out mythos!?!? Not paying attention to the source material?!?!? He's done a superb job of that.

Too many Human scenes? Transformers has usually linked themselves to our world with human characters, strong ones, that hogged a ton of screen time. Spike Witwicky frequently was the star of G1 episodes and issues.

What he's done poorly is balancing comedy and action. This is no surprise. The only movie he ever did a good job of that was The Rock.

I think Bay does a lot of things wrong, but I will give him props for completing a franchise even if it wasn't the next Star Wars. The other side of this coin is if you want a reboot on the movies, you'll probably get one and no one will care amongst the fan community. Transformers can ALWAYS be rebooted. They've done it like clockwork since it was created. Before it was 1990 they had four, count them, four divergent timelines. So when Bay's finished almost anyone can do a new series or series of movies.

TRANSFORMERS was a toy commercial. Every. Last. Bit. Of. It

Transformers, unlike Toy Story, was a cartoon made by committee. The episodes were written weakly and often exchanged plots with other toy based property cartoons. Unlike Toy Story the franchise was not an idea so good it warranted toys and a fanbase, it was toys so good it warranted a 30 minute long commercial.

Transformers has always been about the toys, which were written into the show as they came out. Ever wonder why Optimus had to die in 1986? Because Optimus was no longer sold in 1987 as a new toy. Rodimus, Ultra Magnus and Springer were. You know why Starscream's ghost came back in season 3? Because his toy was a mail-in that year.

Transformers is a really dumb idea, I mean really preposterous. An Alien race that transforms into Earth Vehicles. That's why convoluted plot elements like "Cybertronian Mode" and "The Allspark" and "The Quintessons" were added. The origin stories within the show don't even agree with each other, ever.

Transformers has never been high brow science fiction. It's a creative writing project at best. A writer l-i-t-e-r-a-l-l-y was handed a bunch of toylines (really, there were four) and told to stitch them together in a story. There is a certain genius to what they (Bob Budinski and Neal Adams) did but it's always been a mish-mash of parts.

Look, I'm not saying Bay is God, although that's what my religion believes, but I will say you expect too much from this fiction. Bay's mistake was his horrible sense of humor and comedic timing, and his inability to do an action movie without inserting poor raunchy jokes. Perhaps his orange filter and shakey camera style bug you too. But...This property will never produce anything more than superficial entertainment, which is something Bay did do well...apart from the awful dialogue and poor humor.

Bingo!