The Amazing Spider-Man Moviehole scoops details on both scripts...

[Mister J]

Agreed. It's as I said, Nolan's bat films runiend the comic book film genre.

Because a studio's decision to shoehorn a tone that doesn't fit a character is the fault of another studio that made such a decision, not arbitrarily, but rather by what was best for that character?

Sure.

Besides, with Iron Man 2, an Avengers setup forthcoming and Green Lantern, the genre looks OK to me. Illustrate this wicked path of decimation that Nolan's Bat-films left in its wake as it forced every other studio to act in accordance with adapting a darker tone.

We see failure in these situations far more than success. Look at FOX. No one FOX has selected has been able to make studio mandates work (sans Bryan Singer...whom had a backbone, though). Heck, even Ghost Rider (Sony's other big superhero franchise) sucked big time.

There's no guarantee of success involved either way. The end result isn't set in stone because the studio butted in or if they stay out of it. Find the right guy to make it work.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

why do you guys want death of gwen stacy it wont even be ground breaking or edgy anymore in the comic movie genre

you may hate it but TDK took your thunder away and it will come across as second to TDK since they did it first and will coem acriss ans copying TDK

No it won't. It's a Spider-Man story, not a Batman one.

The only similarity would be that the hero doesn't save the girl. We need more films like that. Instead of the predictable happy endings.

 

[Project862006]

begins was not as dark as TDK or groundbreaking it was an origin story

TDK was groundbreaking begins was not

 

[Project862006]

i dont agree with him that tdk ruined the genre btw

 

[Tacit Ronin]

AOK you are misinterpreting what we are saying about iron man

we were replying to another poster who said why was iron man successful if it was'nt dark and we said it came out before tdk brought the grittyness to the comic book genre

Batman Begins says hi.

Also, I hope Spider-man actually cracks some jokes now.

 

[omid17]

so you guys think they'll use GG as their first villain agian?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

TDK was great because it was a Batman film, TRUE to the tone of BATMAN.

If you think they are gonna make a Batman film with Spider-Man then well, whatever.

Like I've said dozens of times, one of the BIG reasons Spidey is a multi million dollar character is the humour. These studio's who care about money, will not jeopardize that would they?

Spidey is MASSIVE partly because of the humour. Taking away the humour, well, that's defeating the object of making a Spidey movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's unfortunate but he knew it was time to go, he wasn't calling the shots anymore, Sony were. Unfortunately Sony were making the wrong calls.

Raimi's the one who took the blame for S-M3 for something he couldn't do anything about, he shouldn't have to do that again. I mean sure, Raimi didn't do what he should have done and get a rewrite for S-M3 to suit Sony's plans, but do you think Sony were going to green light delays? No way.

Agreed. I never thought SM3 was primarily Raimi's fault. Sure, some blame needs to be rested on him, but Sony was definately mostly to blame IMO.

I'm glad Raimi at least learned from SM3.

There's no guarantee of success involved either way. The end result isn't set in stone because the studio butted in or if they stay out of it. Find the right guy to make it work.

I hope they find the right guy, but history says it's unlikely. That is all I am saying. I'm not saying this film is going to 100% suck. I'm just pointing out why I personally can't hype myself up for this film.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

so you guys think they'll use GG as their first villain agian?

Na I don't think so. They'll probably have Norman as just Norman in the first film. Develop him more, establish his relationship with Pete more so when he becomes Green Goblin it has more emotion. That's how I'd do it anyway.

 

[omid17]

Na I don't think so. They'll probably have Norman as just Norman in the first film. Develop him more, establish his relationship with Pete more so when he becomes Green Goblin it has more emotion. That's how I'd do it anyway.

yea i would be cool with that

 

[Mister J]

I hope they find the right guy, but history says it's unlikely. That is all I am saying. I'm not saying this film is going to 100% suck. I'm just pointing out why I personally can't hype myself up for this film.

I understand your view and I get your hesitance to fully embrace this move. I can respect that.

It just dawned on me that I've undergone a little role reversal here. Usually, I'm one of those that remains skeptical and eschews optimism. This is weird. I need a drink.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Thanks man.

We'll see how it goes. There is no guarantee the reboot will be better. But, SM4 was basically guaranteed to not meet the heights of SM1 and 2. As a Spidey fan, I want him to have a great movie again. With this reboot it's a possibility. With SM4, it wasn't a possibility.

SM3 was mediocre, it was a step down from the first 2 films. This is undeniable. Can people still enjoy SM3? Yes, course they can. But personally, I don't want to accept mediocrity for one of my favourite characters JUST because it's one of my favourite characters, which some people in here seem to do.

When Deadpool comes out for instance, if it is mediocre, I'll be the FIRST to admit it. I won't be blind to it's mediocrity just because it's my favourite character.

 

[omid17]

Thanks man.

We'll see how it goes. There is no guarantee the reboot will be better. But, SM4 was basically guaranteed to not meet the heights of SM1 and 2. As a Spidey fan, I want him to have a great movie again. With this reboot it's a possibility. With SM4, it wasn't a possibility.

totally agree

now they have plenty of time to work on the trilogy

 

[TheFuture]

Na I don't think so. They'll probably have Norman as just Norman in the first film. Develop him more, establish his relationship with Pete more so when he becomes Green Goblin it has more emotion. That's how I'd do it anyway.

That's what I liked about that Spectacular animated series, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised either if Venom is one of the first villains either.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I understand your view and I get your hesitance to fully embrace this move. I can respect that.

It just dawned on me that I've undergone a little role reversal here. Usually, I'm one of those that remains skeptical and eschews optimism. This is weird. I need a drink.

LOL! I think many of us have reversed roles in last 2 days

At the end of the day, we're all Spider-Man fans. I have been one since I was 4 years old, and I will continue to love Spider-Man as I always have. I signed up to this site and lurked here before I registered so I could follow Spidey's path to the silver screen! I will see the reboot opening night, I will continue to follow the film's production, and I will continue to discuss my thoughts on where the franchise is going. I want to see Spider-Man succeed, and I hope this reboot surprises me. I honestly do. We all want a good movie at the end of the day, and if Sony picks the right director and brings us another solid trilogy, I will love it.

But like I said, hyping myself for the film is not going to be the same, since I've seen how bad comic films get made and I feel like I've seen this story unfold before.

 

[Spade]

So wait, it was the studio that opted out the Black Cat in favor of "the Vulturess"? The same studio that's now talking about how much it respects the source material in every other press release? And let's not forget Adrian Toomes, editor of the Daily Bugle...

In any case, as much as I'd like the Spidey story in comics and film to progress, dropping May into an already shaky film franchise wasn't going to solve anything. I imagine the script was filled with bad baby hijinks. But The Dark Spider-Man doesn't sound up my alley, either. Sounds like whoever inherits this mess has a lot on their hands to be fixed.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No it was Raimi who wanted Black Cat and Vulture as the head of the Bugle. All Raimi's ideas. Stupid ones at that.

Raimi should of done the Lizard story, the logical choice, seeing as he built up Doc Conners role in the other 3 movies.

 

[omid17]

No it was Raimi who wanted Black Cat and Vulture as the head of the Bugle. All Raimi's ideas. Stupid ones at that.

Raimi should of done the Lizard story, the logical choice, seeing as he built up Doc Conners role in the other 3 movies.

exactly, no wonder Sony said time to abandon ship

 

[Project862006]

but you seem to forget raimi is an old school spiderman fan and he loves the old school villains like goblin and vulture

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Lizard is old school too. Lizard is a great villain, much better than Vulture. MUCH better than Vulture.

And like I said, he built up Doc Conners role in all 3 films. It was logical to do the Lizard story. Not a ****ing Vulture as the editor of the Daily Bugle story.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Lizard is old school too. Lizard is a great villain, much better than Vulture. MUCH better than Vulture.

And like I said, he built up Doc Conners role in all 3 films. It was logical to do the Lizard story. Not a ****ing Vulture as the editor of the Daily Bugle story.

http://www.ecanadanow.com/entertainment/2009/12/09/john-malkovich-to-star-in-spider-man-4/

Read this. It is SONY that doesn't want the Lizard. Cause he doesn't look human.

 

[Kurosawa]

No it was Raimi who wanted Black Cat and Vulture as the head of the Bugle. All Raimi's ideas. Stupid ones at that.

Raimi should of done the Lizard story, the logical choice, seeing as he built up Doc Conners role in the other 3 movies.

Sounds to me like neither side had a clue. Think this series is ****ed.

 

[TheFuture]

Lizard is old school too. Lizard is a great villain, much better than Vulture. MUCH better than Vulture.

And like I said, he built up Doc Conners role in all 3 films. It was logical to do the Lizard story. Not a ****ing Vulture as the editor of the Daily Bugle story.

Are we sure though they were Raimi's ideas? As far as I know the script was written before he even signed up for 4. Also, for someone who could barely bring himself to put a "modern" villain on screen in Venom, I have my doubts that Raimi would make the Vulture the editor of the Daily Bugle, never mind having a Vulture and Black Cat/Vulturess/whatever team up. Sounds like all Sony to me.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Billy, you're officially off your rocker and I have never in my time at the Hype! seen you so blindly get behind something at the expense of everything you once believed in.

actually bill and i haven't cared for raimi's direction of the films for a while now... it's sad when a simple cartoon like spec spidey can get things far more right then a film can...

the biggest flaw of raimi's is for some damn reason he thinks every villain spidey ever faces, peter parker has to know... and he makes there motives all sympathetic to a degree... he doesn't just believe in a true villain (like heath ledgers joker for instance...) what are the friggin odds that everyone of spidey's villains, puny parker know or has a relationship with in one of the most largely populated cities in the world? a 4th film with this aspect would be even more ridiculously unbelievable then spider-man 3 was.

 

[Micah12345]

If they do go dark and gritty, and it turns out bad, then it will do what batman and robin did for the batman franchise. People will realize that there is a certain tone that fits the character best.