Transformers Negatron: Discussion Thread for those that hate the way this movie is heading

[IKnowSomeJudo]

I think Ron Howard is an overall meh director. Burton, I don't really consider him a filmmaker, more of a visual artist, really. He said it himself that he wouldn't know a good script if it bit him in the ass. Still, half-assed writing aside, it's his unique visual style that keeps me interested in his work, which is more than I can say for Bay. Car chases and **** blowing up just doesn't do it for me.

 

[Elisha Cuthbert]

I think Ron Howard is an overall meh director. Burton, I don't really consider him a filmmaker, more of a visual artist, really. He said it himself that he wouldn't know a good script if it bit him in the ass. Still, half-assed writing aside, it's his unique visual style that keeps me interested in his work, which is more than I can say for Bay. Car chases and **** blowing up just doesn't do it for me.

That's understandable. Michael Bay isn't everyone's cup of tea. And just because he's on some list doesn't mean I can't like some of his stuff. I have to agree with you on Ron Howard though.

 

[AyeCapn]

Car chases and **** blowing up just doesn't do it for me.

These things have their place, though I understand the concern of some people in regards to Bay dumbing down the source material rather than elevating it.

Would have loved to see Alex Proyas, David Fincher or someone else truly visionary to do something with TF.

 

[CFlash]

These things have their place, though I understand the concern of some people in regards to Bay dumbing down the source material rather than elevating it.

Would have loved to see Alex Proyas, David Fincher or someone else truly visionary to do something with TF.

And that's really been my main gripe all along. All the other "nitpicks" (hot-rod Bumblebee, obnoxious-truck Optimus, etc) are really just symptoms of a larger problem. I can live with any one of the changes... and even grow to agree with them (like I did with Spidey's organic web)... but TF's many many problems taken as a whole paint a pretty rotten picture I think.

 

[HHHDan]

... I understand the concern of some people in regards to Bay dumbing down the source material rather than elevating it...

AyeCapn: I think you've expressed in the right way what many so called "Nay-sayers" have been trying to say! That's exactly what the seems to be the problem with what Bay is doing.

 

[IKnowSomeJudo]

"Just because it looked that way in the cartoon, doesn't mean it'd work on screen, blah, blah, I'm a tool..."

Eat this, biatch:

 

[Cth]

"Just because it looked that way in the cartoon, doesn't mean it'd work on screen, blah, blah, I'm a tool..."

Eat this, biatch:

You realize there's been a billion Iron Man suits, right?

And yes, they have the clunky 60s one in this one as well.

But yeah, 100% adaptation wouldn't work well unless the entire film was CGI, IMO.

 

[blind_fury]

"Just because it looked that way in the cartoon, doesn't mean it'd work on screen, blah, blah, I'm a tool..."

Eat this, biatch:

Ha!

Jon Favreau gets it. Zach Snyder gets it. They understand doing an half-assed adaptation is a complete waste of time.

I wonder what Jon Favreau, Stan Winston and ILM would've done with Optimus, Starscream, Megatron, Soundwave, and Devastator.

Let us pray for "Transformers Begins" in 5 or 6 years. Then we can put this TINO garbage behind us.

 

[IKnowSomeJudo]

You realize there's been a billion Iron Man suits, right?

And this is one of them. On screen. From the comic.

But yeah, 100% adaptation wouldn't work well unless the entire film was CGI, IMO.

An 80% faithful adaptation would have been just fine, as opposed to the current 25-30% one.

 

[HHHDan]

Eat this, biatch:

See now: There is the perfect example of what "elevating the original source material" is!!

This is Awesome! At first glance, anyone who knows what Iron Man looked like in the comics/cartoons instantly recognizes him; the face mask, the general color patterns, the ray-emiters (Or whatever you wanna call them) on the palm of the hands and chest and, at the same time, it looks futuristic and iconic. And the proof that they nailed it is that, so far, the feed back is overwelmingly positive (Which could not be said, as they were comming out, of the Transformers, which got very mixed reviews, some positive, some indiferent and some quite negative).

This is, to the original Iron Man, what I had hoped Bay, Spielberg and Dreamworks were going to do with Transformers; but they did not. Instead, they chose to make mish-mash of every series that came to TV after the G1 phenomenon (And even added a dash of Go-Bots in the process; eewww!).

 

[HHHDan]

Ha!
I wonder what Jon Favreau, Stan Winston and ILM would've done with Optimus, Starscream, Megatron, Soundwave, and Devastator.

Aww dude! The simple thought of it sends Richter-scale registering shivers of pleasure up my spine! ... Should'a, could'a, (And quite unfortunately) will not be...

 

[CFlash]

See now: There is the perfect example of what "elevating the original source material" is!!

This is Awesome! At first glance, anyone who knows what Iron Man looked like in the comics/cartoons instantly recognizes him; the face mask, the general color patterns, the ray-emiters (Or whatever you wanna call them) on the palm of the hands and chest and, at the same time, it looks futuristic and iconic. And the proof that they nailed it is that, so far, the feed back is overwelmingly positive (Which could not be said, as they were comming out, of the Transformers, which got very mixed reviews, some positive, some indiferent and some quite negative).

This is, to the original Iron Man, what I had hoped Bay, Spielberg and Dreamworks were going to do with Transformers; but they did not. Instead, they chose to make mish-mash of every series that came to TV after the G1 phenomenon (And even added a dash of Go-Bots in the process; eewww!).

They added more than a dash. Everything from the monsterous Alien bad-guys to even the whole darn PLOT. The only thing remotely Transformers is their names, Peter Cullen, and the basic BB/Spike backdrop (which could easily be Scooter + SomeKid given how radically different BB is in the movie).

 

[Super78]

Once again, it needs to be said:

Transformers 2007 = Godzilla 1998.

A flop of major proportions.

 

[jdre_124]

Once again, it needs to be said:

Transformers 2007 = Godzilla 1998.

A flop of major proportions.

ugh......................just flamebait........................................

 

[Soulgem]

I look on the images from various trailers and I just cant figure out what im looking at. The robots are just too detailed, and that is exactly the oposite of what they were in the comics - what made them iconic in the first place.

I have lost interrest in this movie and I fear it will flop hard, simply cause the design is so bad.
Hurray for Iron Man and the most beautiful design ever. The armor is true to the comic, but the added third dimension made it even better. TF could have been this way too.

And yes, they have the clunky 60s one in this one as well.

Even the Iron Man mk1 armor is a masterpiece next to the TF designs. It's dead true to the comics, yet realistic. While with the transformers, you have to really search for reseblance to the comics. Wonder how much money they paid the desingers.

 

[CFlash]

I look on the images from various trailers and I just cant figure out what im looking at. The robots are just too detailed, and that is exactly the oposite of what they were in the comics - what made them iconic in the first place.

I have lost interrest in this movie and I fear it will flop hard, simply cause the design is so bad.
Hurray for Iron Man and the most beautiful design ever. The armor is true to the comic, but the added third dimension made it even better. TF could have been this way too.


Even the Iron Man mk1 armor is a masterpiece next to the TF designs. It's dead true to the comics, yet realistic. While with the transformers, you have to really search for reseblance to the comics. Wonder how much money they paid the desingers.

There was a lot of contempt for the original character's designs repeatedly shown by the filmmakers... like they couldn't envision a more real-world realistic version of the designs without going in a completely different direction. Some of the changes even seem to have been made out of spite.

A lot of people have grown accustomed to the new designs, but I have never seen a more blatant disregard for the source of a cartoon/comic book franchise. This movie (it seems so far) takes the cake. To me, it still seems like a parody, not an adaptation.

 

[nosebleed.]

Some of the changes even seem to have been made out of spite.

Lips on Prime but BB doesn't even speak nor has a mouth to speak with...ugh.

 

[zanos]

Once again, it needs to be said:

Transformers 2007 = Godzilla 1998.

A flop of major proportions.

Unlikely. Big giant robots invading earth is much more interesting to the general public than giant lizard monster.

 

[Kent Allard]

You are incorrect, people were very interested in Devlin & Emmerich's GINO before the movie came out. Interested enough for GINO to have best opening weekend of any movie for 1998 - it made more than double the earnings of the number two movie that weekend [Deep Impact].

But on it's second week it's box office take dropped almost 60% from the first week, and the third week dropped down nearly 50% from the second week's take.

There is still a possibility for the Transformers movie to follow in GINO's footsteps - and the only way we'll know is when the movie actually runs.

Despite my several concerns about this movie - I remain hopeful about it. I hope it's a reasonable adaptation and if it is I hope it does well. But only time will tell whether the upcoming Transformers movie is a reasonable adaptation or not.

 

[CFlash]

Yup. Godzilla was a hugely anticipated movie. Huge. Kids today may not know jack about Godzilla (because Godzilla 98 pretty much killed the franchise) but those of us that grew up watching it in the 80's on Sunday afternoons and Thanksgiving vacation sure were looking forward to it.... not to mention our parents that also grew up on it in the 60's and 70's.

It was so big, that the studio greenlit sequels and pre-production had already started on the sequels before it was released. We all know what happened there.

Unfortunately Michael Bay is not much of a student of cinema. If he was, the production of Transformers wouldn't be an almost perfect copy of what Emmerich and Devlin did to Godzilla.

 

[DOG LIPS]

Unfortunately Michael Bay is not much of a student of cinema.

Bay is too cool for school.

 

[zanos]

You are incorrect, people were very interested in Devlin & Emmerich's GINO before the movie came out. Interested enough for GINO to have best opening weekend of any movie for 1998 - it made more than double the earnings of the number two movie that weekend [Deep Impact].

But on it's second week it's box office take dropped almost 60% from the first week, and the third week dropped down nearly 50% from the second week's take.

There is still a possibility for the Transformers movie to follow in GINO's footsteps - and the only way we'll know is when the movie actually runs.

Despite my several concerns about this movie - I remain hopeful about it. I hope it's a reasonable adaptation and if it is I hope it does well. But only time will tell whether the upcoming Transformers movie is a reasonable adaptation or not.

Any summer movie with giant transforming robots in it is going to have mass appeal. Despite all the hype of GINO it never had that going for it. There is no comparison. Bay will be vindicated for his bastardization of Transformers and at which point he can belittle you all on his website.

 

[Creature SH]

Any summer movie with giant transforming robots in it is going to have mass appeal. Despite all the hype of GINO it never had that going for it. There is no comparison.

Giant robots have a mass appeal uncomparable to giant monsters ? I doubt it.

 

[nosebleed.]

Any summer movie with giant transforming robots in it is going to have mass appeal. Despite all the hype of GINO it never had that going for it. There is no comparison. Bay will be vindicated for his bastardization of Transformers and at which point he can belittle you all on his website.

the ONLY people that goto his website are his kiss ass worshippers and Transformer fans looking for news. Big deal.

btw...stay out of the Negatron thread if you're going to defend this movie.

 

[cryptic name]

Unlikely. Big giant robots invading earth is much more interesting to the general public than giant lizard monster.

...how?
people are always using "the general public" in their arguments. how the f**k do you know? have you done a survey?