New Mutants New Mutants News and Discussion - Part 1

[Fincher]

Indeed. Especially if he was deeply involved enough to the point to see how projects were going in development. That is the level of producers, writers, executives, and maybe some storyboard and concept artists.

Which are the sort of people involved that would be least inclined to go leaking and badmouthing online, since they have a real career to protect.

 

[Yowza]

I think the limits of the superhero genre are going to grow increasingly frail in the years to come as there's only so many ways fans may accept for them to be adapted.

Has anyone seen:
-Beyond the Black Rainbow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWF0bBKhe6o or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi7aQ-bKziY)
-Crawlspace (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Taytaf42Y or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB68WJDhWbU)?

Two movies with no mutants whatsoever that have humans with heightened abilities at the center of it. It's easier to just take an idea and not base it on a comics property at all. Less studio interference and the movie will attract fans of it as opposed to haters on message board forums (or studio execs preconceived notions of critics having preconceived notions of what film should be and getting skewered if a theatrical release presented in a certain way).

 

[Kuwolski]

It's easier to just take an idea and not base it on a comics property at all. Less studio interference and the movie will attract fans of it as opposed to haters on message board forums (or studio execs preconceived notions of critics having preconceived notions of what film should be and getting skewered if a theatrical release presented in a certain way.

Simple concept. The reason studios adapt comics is the built-in fan base that exists for each property. That fanbase is there (and more then ready to buy tickets) because it likes what the studio is adapting. That's the trade-off. Being adapted to a new medium requires changes at times, but if the essence or spirit of the source material is retained, then most of the time the studios are good to go.

If you want to re-invent the wheel and alter the material to the point where it no longer looks or feels like the source, then it's only fair that you have to re-invent a brand new audience from scratch as well. If the fans of the comic don't show up or complain, then that's mainly on the studio who neglected the fan base that was a major incentive for adapting the material in the first place.

I can live with this scenario and I welcome both. Faithful adaptations and brand new properties.

 

[Yowza]

Simple concept. The reason studios adapt comics is the built-in fan base that exists for each property. That fanbase is there because it likes what the studio is adapting. That's the trade-off. Being adapted to the new medium requires changes at times, but if the essence or spirit of the source material is retained, then most of the time the studios are good to go.

If you want to re-invent the wheel and alter the material to the point where it no longer looks or feels like the source, then it's only fair that you have to re-invent a brand new audience from scratch as well. If the fans of the comic don't show up or complain, then that's mainly on the studio who neglected the fan base that was the incentive for adapting the material in the first place.

I can live with this scenario and I welcome both. Faithful adaptations and brand new properties.

I think as more comic films keep coming out every year (not to mention people now have access to streaming libraries and so forth), they're already at the point where properties need to push the envelope a bit to distinguish themselves from all the other comic films that are out so the general audience (who of course recognizes "Marvel" logo by this point) keeps going to them while treading the line as to not make the property unrecognizable and maintain uncompromising faithfulness to source material.

I just hope comics films don't end up as genre chop-suey in the process of trying to play middle ground. If a careful collaboration and balance proves too tricky perhaps making less comics films in the future will be less trouble.

 

[Kuwolski]

I just hope comics films don't end up as genre chop-suey in the process of trying to play middle ground. If a careful collaboration and balance proves too tricky perhaps making less comics films in the future will be less trouble.

I understand your point, but basically the definition of genre is a similarity in style and content. You can play around in the sandbox and push the boundaries, etc, but there are also audience expectations that come with the genre, and those expectations are what make it popular.

Even something "original" in the genre will still carry some familiar tropes. It's really a matter of degrees.

 

[Yowza]

I understand your point, but basically the definition of genre is a similarity in style and content. You can play around in the sandbox and push the boundaries, etc, but there are also audience expectations that come with the genre, and those expectations are what make it popular.

Even something "original" in the genre will still carry some familiar tropes. It's really a matter of degrees.

It's just a matter of where the line is maintained before and throughout production to minimize post-production hassles in terms of what kind of movie is wanting to be made.

If each successful comics film becomes a vortex of forced genre tropes that don't work together or become a calculated effort to limbo under a stagnation bar to avoid dwindling interest while still maximizing returns I imagine there's a science to.

On the flipside, I can see integration of different genre qualities (negative word is a trope in my opinion) as being done well and certainly a science to this as well. Suddenly, the limbo bar mentioned above becomes a hurdle to jump over as far as integrating things properly for a film with solid footing.

Studios that don't find the need to force things at odd times I think is key to maintaining quality. In other words, I don't want a movie that tries to differentiate itself from other comic films by riffing off various genre conventions in a disjointed manner that doesn't work as it's key to establishing it's own identity from other comics films.

 

[def28]

Two movies with no mutants whatsoever that have humans with heightened abilities at the center of it. It's easier to just take an idea and not base it on a comics property at all. Less studio interference and the movie will attract fans of it as opposed to haters on message board forums (or studio execs preconceived notions of critics having preconceived notions of what film should be and getting skewered if a theatrical release presented in a certain way).

Depends on what your goal is, do you want a no budget indie film that won't find an audience outside of a fraction of art students and film buffs? Or do you want something that has the potential of making a billion dollars?

I've seen BTBR which I love. But I don't agree with your point. Comics unto themselves are just as diverse as the film genres. Which is why comic films have survived so long. They won't die out, there is too much material that eventually someone will get right. A film like BTBR is far more niche and difficult to find acceptance just in terms of pacing alone. I can barely find anyone who enjoys that movie outside the trailer, even major film geeks. With big properties (X-Men,Avengers, Batman etc) it takes an extremely creative talent (very rare) to just get it right without major help of talented producers amongst others. I'll argue even Nolan could not do that.

That New Mutants trailer did not sell me as a horror fan or an X-Men comic fan. It looked dull and literally like a cheap pg-13 wannabe version of Dream Warriors.That's the main issue imo. There was nothing great about it. Not the case with Fox's other risks like Deadpool and Logan.

 

[Yowza]

Yeah, I wasn't sold on the New Mutants trailer all that much either.

Depends on what your goal is, do you want a no budget indie film that won't find an audience outside of a fraction of art students and film buffs? Or do you want something that has the potential of making a billion dollars?

I think the answer to that is it depends. If the budget is low on an unrecognized property your right in that chances of it really taking off money wise are low especially if infusing an idea into developing a new movie property that isn't comics based vs. working with what's available comics wise and the director trying to coordinate a faithful and successful take on it. I still think there can be a positive flipside to avoiding having to compromise in certain ways on a comics film in some situations.

I've seen BTBR which I love. But I don't agree with your point. Comics unto themselves are just as diverse as the film genres. Which is why comic films have survived so long.

I think a lot of comics films certainly do differentiate themselves from eachother but the extent to which the majority of them do we have different perspectives on. If 6 comics films with huge budgets come out every year the need for differentiation I think increases especially with technology the way it is now (smart tv's, tablets, and other devices not to mention methods such as streaming libraries for viewing movie where everything pretty much accessible right from home almost any time).

They won't die out, there is too much material. A film like BTBR is far more niche and difficult to find acceptance just in terms of pacing alone. I can barely find anyone who enjoys that movie outside the trailer, even major film geeks. With big properties (X-Men,Avengers, Batman etc) it takes an extremely creative talent (very rare) to just get it right without major help of talented producers amongst others. I'll argue even Nolan could not do that.

There's tons of story material not to mention various ways each character has been written throughout the many years they've appeared in various mediums including comics.

How far out can you go in terms of trying to find ways to distinguish a given character's movie (if a need to differentiate it from other comics films) is I think a question as more and more comics films are made each year.

 

[def28]

Agreed, and I think we will continue to see hits and misses with the creatives showing the various ways and where they took inspiration.

 

[psylockolussus]

That New Mutants trailer did not sell me as a horror fan or an X-Men comic fan. It looked dull and literally like a cheap pg-13 wannabe version of Dream Warriors.That's the main issue imo. There was nothing great about it. Not the case with Fox's other risks like Deadpool and Logan.

The trailer definitely looked cheap especially compare to the trailers of the well reviewed horror films like It, the Conjuring and Annabelle Creation.

 

[Frankeh]

That New Mutants trailer did not sell me as a horror fan or an X-Men comic fan. It looked dull and literally like a cheap pg-13 wannabe version of Dream Warriors.That's the main issue imo. There was nothing great about it. Not the case with Fox's other risks like Deadpool and Logan.

Agreed. As horror it looked like an amalgam of cliches and as an X-Men spinoff there's not much there to get excited about either. That was my problem from the beginning.

 

[def28]

Exactly, it wasn't a total turn off for the film. It just did nothing to boost my excitement. Was really looking forward to this, but now it's just a matter of holding my expectations.

 

[kevork89]

Yes.

And if he was posting positive scoops, you would have believed it then, right? Its fine if you don't want to believe it and you want convince to yourself that new Mutants would turn out good. But its not the first time this forum had a scooper than turned out to be right.

Lol how exactly am I trying to convince myself New Mutants is good? Nowhere did I state that and don’t be hypocritical because if the same user was indeed posting positively about this movie you wouldn’t believe it because your opinions are already skewed negatively. I wait until an actual movie is released before passing judgement on it unlike you.

 

[kevork89]

If Slugzilla truly did any type of work on the film, there's a good chance he was not allowed to leak any of the stuff he did reveal on the forums and probably signed agreements as such.

Yeah exactly. If all employees could go on forums and talk about the movies they worked on there would be all of that everywhere.

 

[SumT]

actually anyone can go to a board and leak stuff.
what Fox does after that is another story, but any worker can do it, they just have to log in and post its that easy

 

[Tim_Riggins]

I'll admit I'm extremely excited by the film and that, of course, reading negative stuff is not something I enjoy but I'm puzzled by slugzilla's account. Needless to say that his over the top hate of Josh Boone is making anything he says a bit hard to believe. I'm not buying it, I'm not buying the early iteration, supposedly, of the film considering that Boone has been talking about and working on the film for years, as far as I know, it's his & Knate Lee (co-writer)'s baby, they came in with that vision & intent to make it a horror film (which by the way, if you actually read the Demon Bear run, makes perfect sense, real nightmarish vibe there), we all know the story of them making some kind of giant comic book using panels of the comics to show their vision.

So that fantasized, light, fun version?! Where is that coming from? Slug's aversion to the horror vibe clouds the rest of what he says as well, this is Josh's vision, you don't have to agree with it, and if some higher ups really had a problem with that, they'd have said so early on and would not have let him make this.

He's been adamant about what this is for years. Now, Boone supposedly being a jerk?! There has literally been nothing out there to that effect, I don't know him personally but everything about him & his past experiences show a decent, kind fellow. John Green (The Fault In Our Stars, Paper Towns, Looking For Alaska, etc for those who don't know him) is I believe a great judge of character, and everything about him being involved, on set, of TFIOS along with Shailene Woodley, Ansel Elgort, Nat Wolff, Laura Dern, etc, shows a real positive experience. If you look at Boone's & the actors' social media, I highly doubt there's been any issue with the cast.

I think the main problem with slugzilla's account is him saying he was working as a caterer on set, was that a joke or was he serious? Everything he said pointed to him being involved in the actual production of the film or in a post production capacity, especially when mentioning multiple people supposedly told Boone that his approach was wrong, that everyone he talked to who saw the film didn't have any positive things to say.

Or maybe Boone was just a jerk to the "little" people, who knows, or maybe he was in a bad mood, who the f knows.

What he's saying, if he truly is a caterer, makes no sense. He cannot possibly know any of these things unless a producer, an actor, a camera guy or whatever, actually working on the shoot (ie involved in the making of the film), has been blabbering while picking up his/her food. I highly doubt that anyone in that capacity would also willingly tell him any of these things.

Even ManaByte said on Resetera that two people who've seen the December screening, told him: 1st one: screening went well, 2nd one: that it was pretty awesome. A redditor also said he supposedly saw the film at that screening, that it was a cross between X-Men, Insidious & The Breakfast Club, he really liked it and that it was also very funny.

Couple that with the CCXP footage shown of all of the kids taking a lie detector test to learn more about each other: https://screenrant.com/magik-wields-soulsword-new-mutants-ccxp-footage/

There was also a more detailed breakdown by Omelete I think?! mentioning how the footage had a very youthful energy and was funny. So is the film really that dark or has it been exaggerated?! Those things show it'll also be fun.


Not to discredit Mana, but Jeff Sneider is as good as it gets in terms of source, if he says the screening went well, but not great, and they want to amp up the scares, I buy it, it does contradict the other reports that it's to make the film lighter, although amping up the scares doesn't necessarily mean make it even darker. So why the discrepancy? bizarre to say the least.

 

[SumT]

whats 'Resetera'? is that a site, cant find ir right now

 

[Kuwolski]

I'll say this about Josh, the one thing for sure is he's got great taste in music. John Coltrane, Willie Nelson, King Crimson. Yup.

 

[Drexelhand]

I'll admit I'm extremely excited by the film and that, of course, reading negative stuff is not something I enjoy but I'm puzzled by slugzilla's account. Needless to say that his over the top hate of Josh Boone is making anything he says a bit hard to believe. I'm not buying it, I'm not buying the early iteration, supposedly, of the film considering that Boone has been talking about and working on the film for years, as far as I know, it's his & Knate Lee (co-writer)'s baby, they came in with that vision & intent to make it a horror film (which by the way, if you actually read the Demon Bear run, makes perfect sense, real nightmarish vibe there), we all know the story of them making some kind of giant comic book using panels of the comics to show their vision.

So that fantasized, light, fun version?! Where is that coming from? Slug's aversion to the horror vibe clouds the rest of what he says as well, this is Josh's vision, you don't have to agree with it, and if some higher ups really had a problem with that, they'd have said so early on and would not have let him make this.

He's been adamant about what this is for years. Now, Boone supposedly being a jerk?! There has literally been nothing out there to that effect, I don't know him personally but everything about him & his past experiences show a decent, kind fellow. John Green (The Fault In Our Stars, Paper Towns, Looking For Alaska, etc for those who don't know him) is I believe a great judge of character, and everything about him being involved, on set, of TFIOS along with Shailene Woodley, Ansel Elgort, Nat Wolff, Laura Dern, etc, shows a real positive experience. If you look at Boone's & the actors' social media, I highly doubt there's been any issue with the cast.

I think the main problem with slugzilla's account is him saying he was working as a caterer on set, was that a joke or was he serious? Everything he said pointed to him being involved in the actual production of the film or in a post production capacity, especially when mentioning multiple people supposedly told Boone that his approach was wrong, that everyone he talked to who saw the film didn't have any positive things to say.

Or maybe Boone was just a jerk to the "little" people, who knows, or maybe he was in a bad mood, who the f knows.

What he's saying, if he truly is a caterer, makes no sense. He cannot possibly know any of these things unless a producer, an actor, a camera guy or whatever, actually working on the shoot (ie involved in the making of the film), has been blabbering while picking up his/her food. I highly doubt that anyone in that capacity would also willingly tell him any of these things.

Even ManaByte said on Resetera that two people who've seen the December screening, told him: 1st one: screening went well, 2nd one: that it was pretty awesome. A redditor also said he supposedly saw the film at that screening, that it was a cross between X-Men, Insidious & The Breakfast Club, he really liked it and that it was also very funny.

Couple that with the CCXP footage shown of all of the kids taking a lie detector test to learn more about each other: https://screenrant.com/magik-wields-soulsword-new-mutants-ccxp-footage/

There was also a more detailed breakdown by Omelete I think?! mentioning how the footage had a very youthful energy and was funny. So is the film really that dark or has it been exaggerated?! Those things show it'll also be fun.


Not to discredit Mana, but Jeff Sneider is as good as it gets in terms of source, if he says the screening went well, but not great, and they want to amp up the scares, I buy it, it does contradict the other reports that it's to make the film lighter, although amping up the scares doesn't necessarily mean make it even darker. So why the discrepancy? bizarre to say the least.

Honestly, I'd prefer to believe this movie ends up being good and what you've said points to it being okay.

There's one very fervent user on here who's just looking for an excuse to hate this movie. Hence why I'm not surprised they put the monkey on Slugzilla's back. Slugzilla may be genuine and if Josh Boone truly is as bad as he says, then like I said, maybe Boone deserves whatever he gets. But here's the thing, if Slugzilla really hates Boone, and I were him - I'd probably be saying the same **** he did regardless of quality. But, not everyone is like me.

 

[Frankeh]

and if some higher ups really had a problem with that, they'd have said so early on and would not have let him make this.

Well they're already course-correcting it.

 

[Ordet]

Slugzilla said actually nothing.

Maybe he could have a friend who said him "the film si bad", but Slugzilla didn't say the movie, 'cause he try always to not say really nothing about the movie.
Bad/good that's mean nothing.

He said something about the movie that is particular?
Like the fake-news style of filming in the Beast vs Magneto in DoFP.
Or like saying something about he story.
No.

He was like a fortune-teller that doesn't tell you anything but what you already know.

 

[def28]

I'm always skeptical. But I remember one time about a decade ago when an IMDB poster claimed to have seen early animatics of Deadpool that looked like Baraka shooting lasers out of his eyes being decapitated.

Everyone said nonsense it's IMDB, well....

 

[TheVileOne]

I'll admit I'm extremely excited by the film and that, of course, reading negative stuff is not something I enjoy but I'm puzzled by slugzilla's account. Needless to say that his over the top hate of Josh Boone is making anything he says a bit hard to believe. I'm not buying it, I'm not buying the early iteration, supposedly, of the film considering that Boone has been talking about and working on the film for years, as far as I know, it's his & Knate Lee (co-writer)'s baby, they came in with that vision & intent to make it a horror film (which by the way, if you actually read the Demon Bear run, makes perfect sense, real nightmarish vibe there), we all know the story of them making some kind of giant comic book using panels of the comics to show their vision.

So that fantasized, light, fun version?! Where is that coming from? Slug's aversion to the horror vibe clouds the rest of what he says as well, this is Josh's vision, you don't have to agree with it, and if some higher ups really had a problem with that, they'd have said so early on and would not have let him make this.

He's been adamant about what this is for years. Now, Boone supposedly being a jerk?! There has literally been nothing out there to that effect, I don't know him personally but everything about him & his past experiences show a decent, kind fellow. John Green (The Fault In Our Stars, Paper Towns, Looking For Alaska, etc for those who don't know him) is I believe a great judge of character, and everything about him being involved, on set, of TFIOS along with Shailene Woodley, Ansel Elgort, Nat Wolff, Laura Dern, etc, shows a real positive experience. If you look at Boone's & the actors' social media, I highly doubt there's been any issue with the cast.

I think the main problem with slugzilla's account is him saying he was working as a caterer on set, was that a joke or was he serious? Everything he said pointed to him being involved in the actual production of the film or in a post production capacity, especially when mentioning multiple people supposedly told Boone that his approach was wrong, that everyone he talked to who saw the film didn't have any positive things to say.

Or maybe Boone was just a jerk to the "little" people, who knows, or maybe he was in a bad mood, who the f knows.

What he's saying, if he truly is a caterer, makes no sense. He cannot possibly know any of these things unless a producer, an actor, a camera guy or whatever, actually working on the shoot (ie involved in the making of the film), has been blabbering while picking up his/her food. I highly doubt that anyone in that capacity would also willingly tell him any of these things.

Even ManaByte said on Resetera that two people who've seen the December screening, told him: 1st one: screening went well, 2nd one: that it was pretty awesome. A redditor also said he supposedly saw the film at that screening, that it was a cross between X-Men, Insidious & The Breakfast Club, he really liked it and that it was also very funny.

Couple that with the CCXP footage shown of all of the kids taking a lie detector test to learn more about each other: https://screenrant.com/magik-wields-soulsword-new-mutants-ccxp-footage/

There was also a more detailed breakdown by Omelete I think?! mentioning how the footage had a very youthful energy and was funny. So is the film really that dark or has it been exaggerated?! Those things show it'll also be fun.


Not to discredit Mana, but Jeff Sneider is as good as it gets in terms of source, if he says the screening went well, but not great, and they want to amp up the scares, I buy it, it does contradict the other reports that it's to make the film lighter, although amping up the scares doesn't necessarily mean make it even darker. So why the discrepancy? bizarre to say the least.

If the screenings went well, why would they push the movie back 10 months before the release? That seems like overkill. It just seems like an arbitrary thing to do.

 

[Ordet]

I'm always skeptical. But I remember one time about a decade ago when an IMDB poster claimed to have seen early animatics of Deadpool that looked like Baraka shooting lasers out of his eyes being decapitated.

Everyone said nonsense it's IMDB, well....

But that was a particular scene he said to have seen.
So you could trust or not him, but you would have found the truth in the movie.

In Slugzilla's case, there is nothing.
If the movie will be bad, he will say "I told you"
If the movie will be good, he will say "I told you it was bad, that's the reason of reshot to make him better".

then also psylockolussus could be an insider for Dark Phoenix.

 

[Ordet]

If the screenings went well, why would they push the movie back 10 months before the release? That seems like overkill. It just seems like an arbitrary thing to do.

I don't think the screen goes well.

But there could be other reason that bring to delate: maybe the reshot are needed to close the story, firstly (before the Disney affair) thinked like a trilogy.