The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[GL1]

I already have admitted it's entirely possible that Robin will be there. Just not in Nolan's watch. As soon as he goes away and the franchise decays Robin will appear.

I don't like the way that you attached Robin to franchise decay. It's also illogcal and fallacious here.

The interesting thing is, Nolan says he's not interested in Robin, yet I believe a Teen Titans film - which is supposed to feature Robin - is currently in pre-production. So we could end up in a situation where Robin's on-screen return doesn't happen in a Batman movie.

I certainly wouldn't mind that. I'd prefer a Robin solo film over a TT film, though.

This discussion seems to have two sides, that I can see. A side who doesn't want Robin in the film, for unknown reasons, a side which includes Bale and Nolan. And a side who has experience through comics and other media with Robin as a viable, realistic, dark supporting cast character - the kind that fits perfectly into Nolan's world.

The argument comes from the Anti-Robin side drawing incorrect conclusions about what Robin is narratively capable of, and the Pro-Robin side drawing incorrect conclusions about how mandatory his inclusion is.

Robin is a great character. All of the complaints about his character and what he can and can't do can be answered with issue numbers, for those willing to do all that research. Having a problem with the character or his ability to fit in the Nolanverse seems pretty obtuse to me.

But he doesn't have to be in the movie. There are several things about Batman that I love that Nolan decided not to include... this would just be another one of them. Nolan-verse are great movies, no doubt about that... but they are by no means quintessential or definitive Batman.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Personally I would love to see Nightwing portrayed on film instead of Robin...We already got the dark/camp version of Robin in the Schumacheaur films...

I think that Nightwing would fit Nolan bros. universe a lot better...look how they re-wrote Batman as this dark,mysterious vigilante, they could do the same w/Nightwing...

A teenager in a green/red costumes would not fit the universe the Nolan's has created, if the Nolan's wanted to included Dick Grayson in B3 or B4(?) I think Dick should be 18 yrs. old, fresh out of high school, and "Robin" should be his stage name w/the Flying Grayson's and he had that name since he was a child....

Instead of Bruce taking him in, I think Dick's life should be the opposite of Bruce's him turning to a life of crime, the boy has no one unlike Bruce who has Alfred, and once Bruce see's the path Dick is going down, then he takes him in and then Dick comes up w/Nightwing once he dawn his costume since N.W. represents a new chapter in his life

I know some of the fan boys/girls maybe p-ied off 'cuz it doesnt follow the comics, but these new movies have less source material and it just put a new spin on things...keeps the story fresh...

 

[GL1]

That sounds pretty bad. Especially saying there's anything dark about Chris O'Donnel Robin (other than later Costume). This coupled with turning Robin to a 'life of crime' which, ironically, is NOT the opposite of Bruce Wayne Begins makes me wonder if you've been watching the same movies I have.

The inability of people to conceive of Nightwing and Robin as the same character, as though it is impossible for a character named 'robin' to wear something other than bright green/red. And the idea of such a character just 'not fitting' in a world where men in purple suits and vehicles of questionable engineering galavant around is just being obtuse. Fighting grown men, sure, that's rediculous, but visually not fitting in with dark red and black? That's just being obstinate.

 

[NoirMan82]

That sounds pretty bad. Especially saying there's anything dark about Chris O'Donnel Robin (other than later Costume). This coupled with turning Robin to a 'life of crime' which, ironically, is NOT the opposite of Bruce Wayne Begins makes me wonder if you've been watching the same movies I have.

The inability of people to conceive of Nightwing and Robin as the same character, as though it is impossible for a character named 'robin' to wear something other than bright green/red. And the idea of such a character just 'not fitting' in a world where men in purple suits and vehicles of questionable engineering galavant around is just being obtuse. Fighting grown men, sure, that's rediculous, but visually not fitting in with dark red and black? That's just being obstinate.

I have to co-sign with everything you said. People have an extreme lack of imagination when it comes to Robin when the character is no less or more ridiculous than anything in the films so far. A two-ton vehicle can drive across rooftops? Sure. But a teenaged wunderkind with killer martial arts training and a belt full of weapons can never take down petty thugs believably, no way.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

That sounds pretty bad. Especially saying there's anything dark about Chris O'Donnel Robin (other than later Costume). This coupled with turning Robin to a 'life of crime' which, ironically, is NOT the opposite of Bruce Wayne Begins makes me wonder if you've been watching the same movies I have.

The inability of people to conceive of Nightwing and Robin as the same character, as though it is impossible for a character named 'robin' to wear something other than bright green/red. And the idea of such a character just 'not fitting' in a world where men in purple suits and vehicles of questionable engineering galavant around is just being obtuse. Fighting grown men, sure, that's rediculous, but visually not fitting in with dark red and black? That's just being obstinate.

What I meant by Dick turning to crime I meant that he needs that life of crime to survive on the streets unlike Bruce who had the Wayne $ in BB Bruce CHOSE to live as homeless person to see what they go through an the struggle...It'd be interesting to see how Bruce's/*****' relationship plays out becuase Bruce didn't have his parents all his life unlike Dick who has/did...Bruce doesn't know to be a father figure...B3 or B4 would set-up a gr8 storyline for Bruce/Dick alone both characters have interesting parallels...

As for Chris's "Robin" I liked how he was in Batman Forever his character turned campy in B & R and that's what Nolan and the rest of the fanbase is scared of, so thas why I think Nightwing would fit better in the Nolan universe it's more mature version of Dick Grayson....Robin/Nightwing same person, but with just a diff. outlook on life....

 

[NoirMan82]

What I meant by Dick turning to crime I meant that he needs that life of crime to survive on the streets unlike Bruce who had the Wayne $ in BB Bruce CHOSE to live as homeless person to see what they go through an the struggle...It'd be interesting to see how Bruce's/*****' relationship plays out becuase Bruce didn't have his parents all his life unlike Dick who has/did...Bruce doesn't know to be a father figure...B3 or B4 would set-up a gr8 storyline for Bruce/Dick alone both characters have interesting parallels...

As for Chris's "Robin" I liked how he was in Batman Forever his character turned campy in B & R and that's what Nolan and the rest of the fanbase is scared of, so thas why I think Nightwing would fit better in the Nolan universe it's more mature version of Dick Grayson....Robin/Nightwing same person, but with just a diff. outlook on life....

The only thing wrong with your idea is that Grayson's parents left him a hefty trust fund. He doesn't even need Bruce's money. That is one of the great things about Batman & Robin, they don't even really need each other, but they've formed a great bond to become allies of justice.

 

[GL1]

I have to co-sign with everything you said. People have an extreme lack of imagination when it comes to Robin when the character is no less or more ridiculous than anything in the films so far. A two-ton vehicle can drive across rooftops? Sure. But a teenaged wunderkind with killer martial arts training and a belt full of weapons can never take down petty thugs believably, no way.

The unbelievable thing about 'Robin as Sidekick' is that someone, especially the Bruce in Begins, would send him out to take on thugs, even if, by some set of happenstances, he was capable. That is the part of the writing that must be approached with maturity and skill. As a supporting character, adapting his role in the mythos as fluidly as that of Lucius (NEVER before the source of Batequipment), Gordon (NEVER before known for driving the Batmobile and being Batman's sidekick) and Rachel (NEVER before existing), we realize that Robin doesn't have to be in costume by Batman's side to function as a character, and with that realization, all the problems with Robin not fitting vaporize like mist in the wind.

What I meant by Dick turning to crime I meant that he needs that life of crime to survive on the streets unlike Bruce who had the Wayne $ in BB Bruce CHOSE to live as homeless person to see what they go through an the struggle...It'd be interesting to see how Bruce's/*****' relationship plays out becuase Bruce didn't have his parents all his life unlike Dick who has/did...Bruce doesn't know to be a father figure...B3 or B4 would set-up a gr8 storyline for Bruce/Dick alone both characters have interesting parallels...

As for Chris's "Robin" I liked how he was in Batman Forever his character turned campy in B & R and that's what Nolan and the rest of the fanbase is scared of, so thas why I think Nightwing would fit better in the Nolan universe it's more mature version of Dick Grayson....Robin/Nightwing same person, but with just a diff. outlook on life....

So... give Robin a more mature outlook (many orphans have this) and a different outlook on life. No need to age him or call him 'Nightwing,' right? I understand what you're saying about choice and the life of crime, I just think it's a really bad idea for what amounts to a supporting character. Like Gordon or Rachel, Dick's path should be simple. Loss. Anger. Acceptance.

The only reason I've read that makes sense for Bruce to take in Grayson on any meaningful level is if Grayson is an endangered witness. I also prefer a Sensei-student relationship with Bruce and Dick as opposed to a father-son... it's easier to darken Batman that way...

 

[Grommers]

I saw the screening for the dark knight...

there is no way in hell you could include a boy into the next movie, and make it justifiable.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Have none of you EVEN considered my idea? Let it be as bad as the script for "Disaster Movie" but at least do me the JUSTICE of telling me why it is bad or good

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Dude batman your anorexic, wow you better get that looked at.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Remember Bale in "The Machinist" ?
EXACTLY!!

I should probably sig that

 

[Closerframe]

Nolan= No Robin (Lets keep it that way)

 

[DaveBham1982]

I think that after the third film in this series they should take a break and maybe do some spin-offs.

And instead of Nolan directing them have some other directors come in but they have to make it fit with Begins and TDK.

I'd have it set 15 years after Batman Begins. They could do a Nightwing one and instead of ignoring Robin we could see in flashbacks that Bruce Wayne took Dick Grayson in when his parents were killed and that he trained him to stand up for himself, martial arts etc. Basically one day the guy who killed the Graysons is back in Gotham and Dick tracks him down and is about to kill him when Batman shows up breaks them up. Dick is distraught and it takes Bruce revealing he is batman to calm him down. Now this can either be shown or talked about, maybe to a friend he trusts. I'd have the films main villain be the guy who killed Dick's parents. Dick went on his own because he was sick of being told what to do etc. You could have a Robin costume hidden somewhere but you'd never see him actually wearing it and we'd see him create his Nightwing outfit by basically ripping off Wayne Enterprises/getting things send to him by Alfred but under the radar. The overrall arc of the story could be that Dick wants revenge but learns at the end of it that it wont bring his parents back. Also during the film he sees that he could be of better use helping the helpless than using his skills to just take down one guy. But instead of being a goody two shoes and just bringing the guy down he should give him a beating.

But before a Nightwing film i'd do a GCPD film with Gary Oldman in it but not as a main character just cameo or maybe a few scenes and basically have it be a crime story and have it set up the world of Gotham being more than just Batman diving off rooftops. Also you could set this alot closer to Batman Begins and TDK. Make it gritty and you'd only need a few mentions of Batman/Joker/Two-Face and maybe show the Bat signal. They GCPD film wouldnt cost as much as a Batman movie and would aid future Batman films by introducing people such as Selina Kyle.

 

[atomicbattery]

Yes, Dick Grayson should be in these films.
The origin story of Robin is probably the greatest Batman story ever told, and that is why it has been told again and again (Robin's Reckoning[BTAS], Dark Victory).

Saving Dick Grayson, and seeing himself in the character, could save a hero pushed to the brink in 'The Dark Knight'.

A kid humanizes a brutal, stoic, emotionless guardian- it's been done before, and to great effect, in a terrific, violent, adult film- Terminator 2.
And, no, Dick Grayson doesn't have to be Robin, in green booties and shorts. Just Dick Grayson. The Nolans are canny enough to give nods to comic history and still remove the more ridiculous aspects of a character invented nearly seventy years ago. Just like they did with Batman.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

@ David1982

Seriously, what the hell?
Nolan would never do that simply because that is like introducing a character for the hell of it. Flashbacks won't do it justice and would pretty much have to be Robin Begins.
Also, you talk about having the Robin costume stored away and then have Dick create his own. Considering Nolan's realistic take, the Robin costume would be no more different than the Nightwing costume you would want (armor). Also, do you know how much the damn thing would cost? Enough for Bruce to notice it. Might as well steal it

And what's with the GCPD film? That makes no sense! That's like a Daily Bugle or Daily Planet film! Also, when Nolan said Dark Knight was inspired by "HEAT" he did not mean it WAS "HEAT"

How would you market a film like that?

 

[NoirMan82]

Yes, Dick Grayson should be in these films.
The origin story of Robin is probably the greatest Batman story ever told, and that is why it has been told again and again (Robin's Reckoning[BTAS], Dark Victory).

Saving Dick Grayson, and seeing himself in the character, could save a hero pushed to the brink in 'The Dark Knight'.

A kid humanizes a brutal, stoic, emotionless guardian- it's been done before, and to great effect, in a terrific, violent, adult film- Terminator 2.
And, no, Dick Grayson doesn't have to be Robin, in green booties and shorts. Just Dick Grayson. The Nolans are canny enough to give nods to comic history and still remove the more ridiculous aspects of a character invented nearly seventy years ago. Just like they did with Batman.

BINGO!!

 

[The Shadow]

Okay, there's several threads about bringing Robin to a future BB film. And there are differing opinions about it. I want to see the statistics. So I made this poll...

 

[Two-Face]

Maybe mods can merge them with this thread.

 

[The Shadow]

Thanks.

 

[mikey1974]

if done right,i'd love to see Robin added to the mythos...i even had an idea for his suit...since i'll assume Bats will get a new suit every movie,i was thinking a modified version of TDK suit might work,with a dark green undersuit and red and black armored pieces....

 

[Rockbottom]

Hell no.

 

[mikey1974]

going to work on a pic of my idea.....

 

[CHEZ]

Batman is far more interesting by himself. Robin is a corny character.
Just the sound of it is plain awful, Batman and Robin

If you really really really think about it...it's so stupid it's ridiculous.

"Robin"? Come on. Corny cheesy little dandy running around with Batman in what looks like the stupidest superhero costume ever designed.

Batman is far more psychologically interesting by himself.
He scarier and it makes sense. He is trying to strike fear in the criminal underworld. He would be defeating the purpose with a corny little dandy by his side.

And then there's the whole Dick Grayson hanging around Bruce Wayne all the time. It's stupid, really really really stupid.

Robin was only thrown in to soften the Batman character, but today we don't need that. Today, we are interested in the dark brooding character that Batman was always meant to be.

Keep Robin out. Please.

I commend Nolan and Bale on their desire to keep that character out. It shows that they really care about the character and drama that is Batman.

 

[mikey1974]

oops,dopuble post

 

[BobJM]

Seeing how TDK finishes, I take back my opinion on wanting Robin to appear in BB3. True, it would show growth in Batman's character, but I say introduce Catwoman as an ally to ease into the idea of a "bat-family".

If there is a second trilogy, use it to introduce Robin.