The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

Do you want to see Robin appear in a future BB movie?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Don't care/ Who's Robin?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Don't care/ Who's Robin?


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After watching The Dark Knight, I have to say that if Robin is ever going to be introduced (which I highly doubt will happen, at least for a while), it makes the most sense story-wise to introduce him in the next film. Robin works best and most believably as a foil to Batman. Robin is Batman's link to his own sanity and humanity. He comes about to keep Bruce from becoming consumed by the darkness. After all that has occurred in Bruce's life after The Dark Knight, this would be the ideal time for a Robin (or just plain Dick Grayson) story. I'll say it again, I don't think this will happen, but if Dick is ever going to be introduced, the stage now is set perfectly.

If Robin were added, I think it was also make the most sense to have him be in his late teens (17-19), not have him show up in costume until the third act of the movie (if at all), and have him use a costume akin to the current Tim Drake one (that is, darker shades of the Robin colors). I also think it'd make more sense to have Batman using him more as a scout rather than a crime-fighting force. He shouldn't just be thrown into the mix.

As for whether I think Nolan should use Robin, I'm just not sure. Robin has always been one of my favorite characters. There's great psychology there and he's a great dramatic foil to Batman. He also represents, I believe, Batman's greatest failure in that he did not become Batman. When Batman took Dick in and trained him, it seemed to me he did it with the belief that he could train Robin to be another version of himself. He had seen his parents die just like Bruce had, and he wanted revenge, so Bruce trained him. Yet, something happened that Bruce did not expect (which is strange, because usually Bruce is prepared for everything), and Dick rebelled. He rejected Batman's way of doing things and went out on his own to become Nightwing. This is critical because Batman must believe that his way is the only way. Otherwise, why would he continue to go out at night dressed up as a huge bat? Robin represents Batman's greatest failure in that he eventually rejects Batman's ways and does not become another "Batman". Also, most people seem to describe the Bruce-Dick relationship as a father-son one. I, however, disagree. I see Bruce-Dick as an older brother-younger brother relationship in which the parents have died and the older brother is forced to become the father figure before his time and has no idea how to be a parent. Bruce's later relationship with Tim represents a truer version of the father-son.

Another interesting thing about Batman, his stories are truly ensemble pieces. Whereas Superman stories are usually only focused on Superman (and Lois Lane), Batman's stories are focused on all the other players like Alfred, Gordon, all the villains, etc... And these other players reflect aspects of Bruce. The Joker (like he said in the film) is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. He is Batman's opposite. Bruce is orderly, regimented, and the Joker works from chaos and anarchy. Yet another intriguing point is that these players also represent the possible courses Batman could have taken in life, they represent what Bruce might have become had he reacted differently to his parents' deaths. He might have become the Joker and just done mad, he might have become Two-Face (this is more appropriate in the TDK as they both lose Rachel), and finally -- he might have become Dick Grayson (or Robin). They both began their crime-fighting careers in a similar fashion, yet their end up vastly different in their approach. Robin can be used to further explore Bruce's psyche while still exploring Robin as well. There's a lot that can be done.

I think that all of those dynamics could work well onscreen. Yet, I've enjoyed Nolan's Batman tremendously and would never wish to impose anything on his creative vision. Perhaps they could leave the Nolanverse alone and just have a Nightwing film to deal with Dick's transition from Robin to Nightwing (with elements of the TBAS -- ie, Dick growing discontented with Bruce and eventually leaving due to Bruce endangering Barbara) and also involve Bats growing darker after Dick's departure, leading to the introduction of Jason Todd. Of course, this is just a fanboy rumbling.
 
No room for robin. Just saw TDK and no. Batman works with fear, intimidation, strength, and skill. I personally can't see bruce risking a kids life...

This is what I thought as well. With all the cops after Batman I don't think he would accept any help.
 
I was thinking about how Sam Raimi didn't want Venom in Spiderman 3 and Venom was absolutely terrible. Nolan doesn't want Robin so why force him to put him in? Let the directors do what they want.
 
After watching The Dark Knight, I have to say that if Robin is ever going to be introduced (which I highly doubt will happen, at least for a while), it makes the most sense story-wise to introduce him in the next film. Robin works best and most believably as a foil to Batman. Robin is Batman's link to his own sanity and humanity. He comes about to keep Bruce from becoming consumed by the darkness. After all that has occurred in Bruce's life after The Dark Knight, this would be the ideal time for a Robin (or just plain Dick Grayson) story. I'll say it again, I don't think this will happen, but if Dick is ever going to be introduced, the stage now is set perfectly.

If Robin were added, I think it was also make the most sense to have him be in his late teens (17-19), not have him show up in costume until the third act of the movie (if at all), and have him use a costume akin to the current Tim Drake one (that is, darker shades of the Robin colors). I also think it'd make more sense to have Batman using him more as a scout rather than a crime-fighting force. He shouldn't just be thrown into the mix.

As for whether I think Nolan should use Robin, I'm just not sure. Robin has always been one of my favorite characters. There's great psychology there and he's a great dramatic foil to Batman. He also represents, I believe, Batman's greatest failure in that he did not become Batman. When Batman took Dick in and trained him, it seemed to me he did it with the belief that he could train Robin to be another version of himself. He had seen his parents die just like Bruce had, and he wanted revenge, so Bruce trained him. Yet, something happened that Bruce did not expect (which is strange, because usually Bruce is prepared for everything), and Dick rebelled. He rejected Batman's way of doing things and went out on his own to become Nightwing. This is critical because Batman must believe that his way is the only way. Otherwise, why would he continue to go out at night dressed up as a huge bat? Robin represents Batman's greatest failure in that he eventually rejects Batman's ways and does not become another "Batman". Also, most people seem to describe the Bruce-Dick relationship as a father-son one. I, however, disagree. I see Bruce-Dick as an older brother-younger brother relationship in which the parents have died and the older brother is forced to become the father figure before his time and has no idea how to be a parent. Bruce's later relationship with Tim represents a truer version of the father-son.

Another interesting thing about Batman, his stories are truly ensemble pieces. Whereas Superman stories are usually only focused on Superman (and Lois Lane), Batman's stories are focused on all the other players like Alfred, Gordon, all the villains, etc... And these other players reflect aspects of Bruce. The Joker (like he said in the film) is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. He is Batman's opposite. Bruce is orderly, regimented, and the Joker works from chaos and anarchy. Yet another intriguing point is that these players also represent the possible courses Batman could have taken in life, they represent what Bruce might have become had he reacted differently to his parents' deaths. He might have become the Joker and just done mad, he might have become Two-Face (this is more appropriate in the TDK as they both lose Rachel), and finally -- he might have become Dick Grayson (or Robin). They both began their crime-fighting careers in a similar fashion, yet their end up vastly different in their approach. Robin can be used to further explore Bruce's psyche while still exploring Robin as well. There's a lot that can be done.

I think that all of those dynamics could work well onscreen. Yet, I've enjoyed Nolan's Batman tremendously and would never wish to impose anything on his creative vision. Perhaps they could leave the Nolanverse alone and just have a Nightwing film to deal with Dick's transition from Robin to Nightwing (with elements of the TBAS -- ie, Dick growing discontented with Bruce and eventually leaving due to Bruce endangering Barbara) and also involve Bats growing darker after Dick's departure, leading to the introduction of Jason Todd. Of course, this is just a fanboy rumbling.

*standing ovation*
 
Please, having robin around means he is letting someone else to be hunted by the police, the risk of getting caught by the joker and murdered...and asking ANOTHER person to share the moral decision he as batman has to make.

If batman allows that, then he is just an *******.
 
I wouldn't want Robin in this franchise. This Gotham universe has some realistic believability in it. Robin to me is like Superman. He wears a black mask around his eyes, yet 90% of his face is uncovered, but no one can recognize him? Especially if he's the new adopted ward of one of the world's richest billionaires? I can't see that working in a universe like the one TDK is set in.
 
I voted no, because the last thing the world needs is more "Buttman & Rubbin'" jokes. :o

But more importantly than that, Robin is, and always has been, a spoiler for Batman's coolness. Batman is always less cool when he's with Robin, and more cool when he is alone. In all honesty, I think the Batman brand would be stronger if Robin did not even exist.
 
I say introduce him as a 16-18 year old guy in the new film, have him become robin in the third act and rebel in the climax. Then if there ever is another one, have him return as Nightwing later on in the film. If this is the last one, just have Nightwing in it and skip RObin altogether.
 
Batman needs to be a lone hero. You can have a kid in the house. An orphan he helps raise. You can't have a buddy those goes out fighting crime with him no matter the age.
 
It's all a matter of perspective really. Other than the comics most of what the world has seen of Dick Grayson is camp or comic relief. However, quite a few posters have already mentioned that Robin has been around since the very beginning and is as important a character in the Batverse as anyone else.

I also agree with the naysayers that a Robin introduction at the very beginning of part 3 would just be a roadblock to the continuation of the plot. But, a few posts up someone mentioned something that I thought could actually work out well and satisfy both sides of the Robin argument.

Perhaps introducing Dick at the very end of part 3 as robin saving Bats in his most dire moment. Losing all resolve and will to fight he begins to feel like the battle is never ending and then at that very moment Dick shows up in gear or without to lend a helping hand thus showing Bats a glimmer of hope and birth of the Dynamic Duo (appropriate Hans Zimmer music in-tow)... maybe even just in the fleeting moments of the film... Nolan's ultimate nod to the hardcore fan.

I think that would work out and look pretty cool.

Besides who better to pull off the Boy Wonder's re-introduction than God himself!

"In Nolan we trust"
 
The only way I'd welcome the introduction of Robin is if we could see him beaten to death by the Joker with a crowbar.
 
I think introducing Robin would be a mistake....Batman and Robin was a god awful movie...and it brought back memories of that wretched show with Adam West. I don't want to think about stuff like that anymore. I've never been a fan of Robin, because I feel like he ruined the dark aspect of Batman. You have to remember the only reason Robin was created was because it was the thing to do at the time. All superheroes were getting sidekicks around that time. So I say no to Robin....and I hope Nolan does as well.
 
It would be ok to add Richard Grayson, but not Robin.

In this franchise I would not make him a fghter, I would make him a spy for Bruce whenever Bruce had to be in a mandatory meeting or whatever...
 
what if they made grayson an intern at wayne enterprises, he talks alot with bruce and stuff so bruce begins to trust him, and like the post above he becomes a sorta spy maybe and oracle like character, and his codename can be robin or nightwing just to get fanboys excited.

just an idea
 
You have to remember the only reason Robin was created was because it was the thing to do at the time. All superheroes were getting sidekicks around that time.

I could be wrong, but wasn't Robin the first kid sidekick?

In this franchise I would not make him a fghter, I would make him a spy for Bruce whenever Bruce had to be in a mandatory meeting or whatever...

Yeah, that's about what I meant when I said having him be a scout. Not going out and fighting, but doing surveillance and report jobs or maybe just Oracle-like jobs that save Batman much needed time while he's working on cases.
 
Why Robin?

Bruce Wayne all blabbing about being alone.

Alfred should just smack him in the face and say, "What about me?! Are you forgetting someone?"
 
"If Robin crops up in one of the new Batman films, I'll be chaining myself up somewhere and refusing to go to work." -Christian Bale

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2008/07/02/batman_bale_says_no_to_robin_
I think that he was joking there zeptron. A bit of hyperbole never went amiss, though I can understand if it doesn't seem that way.

The man did try out for Robin in Batman Forever, after all, not to mention one of his favourite Batman comics is essentially about Robin's origins.
 
I wouldn't mind the mentioning of him in a third film toward the end.
Maybe WB will save him for a stand alone film. He is a very important character in the mythology and legend of Batman's universe.

JDG
 
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