The Dark Knight Now that its said and done, what would you change?

[JaD]

no way is that heath's voice. the inflection, the tone, the pitch are not him.

anyone with accesss to a copy with decent audio want to back me up here?

Ha, scratch that. Just look at the script then.

I totally thought it was The Joker every time.

 

[Reek]

yea i can see how people thought it was joker, but when watching it, the joker looks around like what the hell where is he going?

 

[Spider-Vader]

I would of had Two-Face saved for #3.

 

[goh78]

Ha, scratch that. Just look at the script then.

I totally thought it was The Joker every time.

I don't mean this rude but how can you have enough sense to find the script, find that part, print screen that part, upload it, and post it.....and (before) think that was the Joker saying that line?

 

[Ronny Shade]

If it was a bit more realistic, it would've been the ****.

Yes. But it was too flashy and the CG was pretty fake...I'm sorry you wouldn't be able to see "FBI" on someone's jacket through that thing.

 

[Monkey Dome]

Well, this was a little experiment for me. I wanted to work out the screenwriting format, so I got my hands on a TDK draft by Jonathan Nolan, and while copying it out, changed a few things here and there.

You know, addressing some common beefs like why does the Joker just leave Dent's fundraiser? And why does Rachel want to hide out at Wayne's penthouse when that's where the Joker threw her out a window? Then there were major things, like all of the Joker's scenes and the last 30 minutes of the movie. Suffice to say, if you wanted Harvey Dent to survive, maybe this will lift your spirits.

So if you want to skip to the stuff that was changed, instead of reading through Jonathan Nolan's script, just go to all of the Joker's scenes and from the Ferry stand-off on.

http://rapidshare.com/files/158552630/THE_DARK_KNIGHT_rewrite.pdf.html

DISCLAIMER:
There is some swearing and violence. This wouldn't make a PG-13 movie. I just hope it all fits in context, instead of being forced in--like the Joker becoming a cannibal and raping anything that moves... something bizarre like that, where someone would have to ask...

"Why would he do that?"

And I would say...

"'Cause, you know... he's crazzzzyyy!"

 

[.:TheDarkKnight]

Yes. But it was too flashy and the CG was pretty fake...I'm sorry you wouldn't be able to see "FBI" on someone's jacket through that thing.

That's the only thing that bothered me, the level of detail in the SONAR. Should've just been basic outlines.

 

[Brem]

The only thing I wish could be changed is the scene where Bruce asks Alfred if he caught the bandit.

The whole scene was fine, but I didn't like the very quick cut they made to Harvey. I'm not talking once Alfred said they burnt the forest down they carry it on for a while but two or three seconds more with some brooding music.

I think it's the way the music started to pick up at that point that makes that very fast cut a bit of a bother for me.

 

[gwynplaine]

I wasn't to crazy about the scene where Dents dismantles the gun in court "maybe next time you should buy american". It felt fake to me.
Didn't like the two kids (nightwing ? Robin?t shooting cars with their fingers either. Other than that, pure awesomeness, greatest film ever (well in my top five at least).

 

[Kevin1169]

The only thing that annoyed me was the way the Batpod got turned around on the wall after it tangled up the semi.

 

[EmPiiRe x]

I wasn't to crazy about the scene where Dents dismantles the gun in court "maybe next time you should buy american". It felt fake to me.
Didn't like the two kids (nightwing ? Robin?t shooting cars with their fingers either. Other than that, pure awesomeness, greatest film ever (well in my top five at least).

and you'd think the mob in the country's largest city would be able to come up with a reliable firearm . . .

 

[Travesty]

I wasn't really a fan of the dinner scene. I actually thought Heath did a mediocre performance compared to the rest of his scenes.

I ddin't like how they used "and. here. we....go".

I still hate Bales Bat-voice in TDK. I actually really liked it in BB, but he went wayyyyy to far with it.

I didn't like how they used, "I like this job..I like it", instead of "I loveee this jobb".

I hated how Gary Oldmans British voice comes out in the rooftop scene, and why they didn't just re-shoot or do a voice over. Its pretty bad how much it comes out.


I hated how there really wasn't any strong fight between The Joker and Batman. I was really hoping for some acid-flower action, or something a tiny bit more Joker-ish with that scene. Nothing to big, but just something. I liked the crow-bar, but I wanted a Joker gag.


I think thats about it. I love the movie, and these dont really piss me off that much, it just kinda gets me when I see them.

 

[cokebabies]

I hated how there really wasn't any strong fight between The Joker and Batman. I was really hoping for some acid-flower action, or something a tiny bit more Joker-ish with that scene. Nothing to big, but just something. I liked the crow-bar, but I wanted a Joker gag.

The Joker using the acid flower would have been awful.

 

[Anita18]

The only thing I wish could be changed is the scene where Bruce asks Alfred if he caught the bandit.

The whole scene was fine, but I didn't like the very quick cut they made to Harvey. I'm not talking once Alfred said they burnt the forest down they carry it on for a while but two or three seconds more with some brooding music.

I think it's the way the music started to pick up at that point that makes that very fast cut a bit of a bother for me.

I actually liked the fast cut a lot. It's jarring, but it emphasizes that Dent is part of the collateral damage.

I hated how Gary Oldmans British voice comes out in the rooftop scene, and why they didn't just re-shoot or do a voice over. Its pretty bad how much it comes out.

Did you notice how Gary paused for a moment mid-line, waiting for Aaron to "interrupt?" I didn't notice the accent slipping, though.

 

[ND Irish]

I wasn't really a fan of the dinner scene. I actually thought Heath did a mediocre performance compared to the rest of his scenes.

what dinner scene are you talkin about here? my memory might be a lil off today...
the fundraiser at waynes? If so I thought that was incredible & nowhere near 'mediocre'

 

[Mr. Earle]

Did you notice how Gary paused for a moment mid-line, waiting for Aaron to "interrupt?" I didn't notice the accent slipping, though.

That was so obvious. Why didnt they shoot that part again? And yeah, Gary's accent came out there.

I actually liked the fast cut a lot. It's jarring, but it emphasizes that Dent is part of the collateral damage.

Oh come on, must people always attribute the flaws of TDK to a higher, deeper cause?

I am curious what was the deeper meaning that came across when Nolan didnt explain what happened to the party when Batman jumped off the window and instead cut to the next scene.

 

[Anita18]

That was so obvious. Why didnt they shoot that part again? And yeah, Gary's accent came out there.

Oh come on, must people always attribute the flaws of TDK to a higher, deeper cause?

I am curious what was the deeper meaning that came across when Nolan didnt explain what happened to the party when Batman jumped off the window and instead cut to the next scene.

I dunno, I didn't notice Gary's pause until my second or third viewing, and I still don't hear the accent.

And I wouldn't consider attributing its flaws to a "higher, deeper cause," but at least a more internal one. Like Stephen Colbert says, "from the gut." I can see why people would have issues with the pacing because it's incredibly fast, but I personally loved it, and I'm attempting to explain why. It's not like I'll be able to change anybody's preferences, but maybe it'll be more clear as to why the filmmakers made the decisions they did.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dunno, I didn't notice Gary's pause until my second or third viewing, and I still don't hear the accent.

And I wouldn't consider attributing its flaws to a "higher, deeper cause," but at least a more internal one. Like Stephen Colbert says, "from the gut." I can see why people would have issues with the pacing because it's incredibly fast, but I personally loved it, and I'm attempting to explain why. It's not like I'll be able to change anybody's preferences, but maybe it'll be more clear as to why the filmmakers made the decisions they did.

I think that it was clear that the forest was people's privacy and rights. That's the line batman crossed to get to the joker. So after the forest line, i dont see how suddenly cutting to Dent can serve anything more than:
1) Shaving seconds off the huge screentime
2) Scaring the audience a bit
3) Giving the audience the feel of Dent's sudden surge of pain as he woke up.

After the forest line, suddenly cutting to Dent doesnt mean that he is the forest. Furthermore, i enjoy it a lot when things are implied and there are symbolisms all over the place, but getting to analyse a sudden cut....well i think that it would be overreading. TDK had enough symbolisms in it for me to search under rocks.

 

[Anita18]

I think that it was clear that the forest was people's privacy and rights. That's the line batman crossed to get to the joker. So after the forest line, i dont see how suddenly cutting to Dent can serve anything more than:
1) Shaving seconds off the huge screentime
2) Scaring the audience a bit
3) Giving the audience the feel of Dent's sudden surge of pain as he woke up.

After the forest line, suddenly cutting to Dent doesnt mean that he is the forest. Furthermore, i enjoy it a lot when things are implied and there are symbolisms all over the place, but getting to analyse a sudden cut....well i think that it would be overreading. TDK had enough symbolisms in it for me to search under rocks.

Just because it isn't the obvious symbolism, it's still true that the cut could mean that Dent could part of the burning forest. And you just said you like when things were implied.

And I like analyzing things. I just read an analytical blog post that mentioned how the Joker liked using time and countdowns in his tests.

 

[batman11]

Oh come on, must people always attribute the flaws of TDK to a higher, deeper cause?

I'm just curious as to how you can claim that the quick cut is an actual flaw. It was clearly done for a reason. If Nolan wanted to linger on Alfred for a second longer he would have, but instead, he decided to make a quick jerk of a cut, which can be interpreted in several ways. While I may look at it as a cool tactic to reel the audience into Dent's sudden rebirth, Anita may look at in terms of symbolism, but by no means is this a flaw.

Unless of course Nolan comes out and says the Avid skipped in the rendering process, thus making the cut too fast for the taste of some fans. Then it would be a technical mistake due to software malfunctioning.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

The only issues I had were these -

-the end of the party scene was pretty jarring. I didn't like how Joker just disappeared, or how Harvey simply reappeared later.

-the Joker emerging from his cell with the cop as his prisoner. I got that "something" happened to turn the tables in that cell, and I understand that Nolan doesn't feel the need to show everything, but something about it just felt weird. It really felt like there was a scene missing in between.

My biggest little annoyance though was in the final Two-Face confrontation. As Batman lunges at Two-Face, the Batman theme picks up in a way that made it seem like it was the beginning of a climactic action scene. You know that musical cue, the one that usually heralds the start of a fight/action scene. Because of this, I was expecting the two to tumble down and start fighting. I was a little shocked and disappointed when it ended so abruptly with Harvey's dead body laying there.

 

[deathfromabove]

I was a little shocked and disappointed when it ended so abruptly with Harvey's dead body laying there.

hmmmm, i wonder why they did that?

 

[Lemenbolle]

I wasn't to crazy about the scene where Dents dismantles the gun in court "maybe next time you should buy american". It felt fake to me.

Oh, yes.

And I would like at least one ferry to blow up. Not for the need to see it, but just, because that's what would have happened..The way it went in the film was so in the style of a happy ending, but most people didn't expect that.

And the SWAT car guy going "Uh-oh, this is no good!".

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

The Joker using the acid flower would have been awful.

How? I thought the acid flower would've been one of the best Joker things in the movie. Plus, it would be one of the darkest scenes in the film, certainly the darkest death.

 

[Mr. Earle]

How? I thought the acid flower would've been one of the best Joker things in the movie. Plus, it would be one of the darkest scenes in the film, certainly the darkest death.

I think that the implied murders the joker commited in TDK were far darker. And i dont mean the stories. I mean giving the two thugs two sharp pieces of a pool to fight each other to the death. Putting his knife in Gambol's mouth had me watching with eyes half closed. Brian Douglas' murder, the hanged copycat (or was that Brian as well?), burning Lau alive. Pretty hardcore and cold stuff right? Now an acid squirting flower wouldnt have been as cold, not to mention that its been done before thousands of times. Its a good thing that Nolan came up with his own Joker jokes. Like the pencil trick.