Obama Thread 2.0: Presidential Edition

[moraldeficiency]

A couple quick fun points:

It's far more probable this is a racist ******* cop over the insane harvard professor. More probable, it just is.

The cop was stupid, very stupid. He was supposed to be some kind of expert in racial profiling, and let's face it even if dude was completely beligerant to him he was a moron not to know arresting a black harvard professor over a faulty report is gonna come back to bite you in the ass. For his own sake best to let this one just go and leave the place. Standard procedure or not, there's the smart move and there's what he did and they aren't remotely close.

The president did say from what he understood the cop was being stupid. I agree. He also said from what he understood, not "I know for a fact". He was asked a question and he gave an honest answer, if he dodged the question people would be much more upset.

And finally, what the hell's the deal with megan fox? I mean she's hot and all, but really if she's not gonna get naked and just act, why bother?

 

[Addendum]

Megan who?

 

[redfirebird2008]

I've been done.

On topic:

With no heat intended,
Anyone who see's themself in the next statement - get a grip.


Isn't it just a little delusional to really expect MASSIVE change in the status quo from one person who has people dragging their heels and getting in the way and picking apart everything from what he looks at to what he likes on his burger - with less than a year in office?

Isn't not quite as bad but still up there to expect him to do WHATEVER he's trying to do exactly the way that would be required to give you the warm and fuzzies? I'm saying he says he's trying to do whatever - and we have people saying "that's not how I would do it?" What's wrong with that picture?

Serious Questions coming from someone who when watching someone do something that is their responsibility - Has a "wait and See" attitude because he learned a long time ago that people are different.

Ref the above: If things WERE headed toward the toilet, and NOTHING TRIED IN THE LAST 12 YEARS did any good,... and his immediate actions DID have an impact,.... why the heck must we impede what he is doing now and what horrible thing will happen if we don't "stop Obama?"

Because if there is no real answer - People need to step and let the guy do his job w/o interference.

I'd also like to give him a pass on having to answer off topic Questions - There are those in the media that toss a hissy fit if he doesn't address whatever they think of regardless of what he is talking about - why we tolerate these questions and then try to hang the guy for anything he says is stupid.

V.

If he wanted to really change things, he wouldn't have a bunch of Wall Street cronies in his cabinet. He would push Congress to not only audit the Federal Reserve, but abolish it altogether. The Federal Reserve has helped to intentionally create a mountain of debt for this country over the nearly 100 years of its existence. Debt is slavery.

 

[Varient]

If he wanted to really change things, he wouldn't have a bunch of Wall Street cronies in his cabinet. He would push Congress to not only audit the Federal Reserve, but abolish it altogether. The Federal Reserve has helped to intentionally create a mountain of debt for this country over the nearly 100 years of its existence. Debt is slavery.

Serious Thoughts:
1. The cabinet serves the purpose, ( I believe) to keep the president up to speed in all those departments that comprise our government. He gets to pick who goes where because IMHO it will go smoother for him to go with people HE TRUSTS in positions that allow him to get stuff done. (Yes extremely simple - but I never claimed to be a great thinker.)

Now I'm leaving myself wide open by saying it this way, but What if these "Wall Street Cronies" is who he trusts over the ones that - say - Rush Limbaugh would trust? (poor example but gets point across.)

2. Answer me honestly please,.. why should HE push to get rid of the Federal reserve Right At This moment? Wouldn't that cause all kinds of mess on a large scale? Wouldn't that one thing make all that has happened before seem like a walk in the park? I can see taking a hard look and slapping someones Pee pee,.. but from what little I know about it, (Handles how America handles money on Myriad levels.), Dumping it all at once would throw us into crapper we are trying to crawl out of.


3. I agree debt IS slavery.

V.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Serious Thoughts:
1. The cabinet serves the purpose, ( I believe) to keep the president up to speed in all those departments that comprise our government. He gets to pick who goes where because IMHO it will go smoother for him to go with people HE TRUSTS in positions that allow him to get stuff done. (Yes extremely simple - but I never claimed to be a great thinker.)

Now I'm leaving myself wide open by saying it this way, but What if these "Wall Street Cronies" is who he trusts over the ones that - say - Rush Limbaugh would trust? (poor example but gets point across.)

2. Answer me honestly please,.. why should HE push to get rid of the Federal reserve Right At This moment? Wouldn't that cause all kinds of mess on a large scale? Wouldn't that one thing make all that has happened before seem like a walk in the park? I can see taking a hard look and slapping someones Pee pee,.. but from what little I know about it, (Handles how America handles money on Myriad levels.), Dumping it all at once would throw us into crapper we are trying to crawl out of.


3. I agree debt IS slavery.

V.

From my perspective Obama as well as many mainstream politicians are puppets for the international banking cartel. The Founding Fathers were vehemently opposed to having a private central bank. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was when the sovereignty of this country was handed over to the international banking cartel. They have been entrenched in power for so long that yes, completely getting rid of the Fed right now would probably cause a complete collapse of the economy. But in the long run it would be good for the liberty of the people of this country. It's scary stuff, but these globalist oligarchical bankers want to create a one world government and reduce the population by up to 80%. I'd rather get rid of the bastards while we still can, even if it crashes the economy. We can rebuild from scratch. At least we'll still have the Constitution and the nation's sovereignty as well as every individual's civil liberties still in tact.

There is currently legislation proposed by Ron Paul in Congress that is gaining a lot of momentum to audit the Federal Reserve and find out exactly what they're hiding from the American taxpayer.

 

[redfirebird2008]

n/m

 

[StorminNorman]

Because if there is no real answer - People need to step and let the guy do his job w/o interference.

Isn't the entire government based on the idea that the President can't do his job without interference? I mean assuming that interference means working legislation through the appropriate channels in Congress.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Isn't the entire government based on the idea that the President can't do his job without interference? I mean assuming that interference means working legislation through the appropriate channels in Congress.

Interference is good in some cases. The problem as I see it is that the two parties are just tools. Each one props up the other. When one party proposes a crazy idea, the hypocrites in the other party oppose it and then the supporters of the proposer see the hypocrites opposing it so they go ahead and support it rather than thinking for themselves. And many of these people are good rational people on both sides who get caught up in the circus of left vs. right instead of thinking about right vs. wrong. It's why you have conservative civil liberties advocates who supported the Patriot Act or liberal civil liberties advocates who support the global warming spying program. The whole thing has been turned into a charade where the citizens are sports fans rather than individual thinkers who stick to their own ideas instead of the wolfpack mentality. That's why it's sad to see the likes of Ron Paul or Kucinich so marginalized by the system. Here is a GOOD form of interference rather than just posturing for the sake of distracting the public:

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/

I suspect the only reason this has gotten ANY traction is due to an uprising from the public. People are starting to wake up about what's going on behind the scenes. No matter how much money the bankster criminals are giving these politicians, if the public DEMANDS this kind of legislation then even some of the most corrupt politicians will jump ship on the bankers in order to save their own re-election.

 

[Marx]

REPUBLICAN WILL OFFER RESOLUTION DEMANDING OBAMA APOLOGIZE TO CAMBRIDGE POLICE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/27/gop-rep-will-offer-resolu_n_245287.html

At a time of economic distress, two wars, and a health care reform effort stalled by political friction, Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, (R-Mich.) is set to introduce a bill calling on Barack Obama to formally apologize to the Cambridge Police.

The Michigan Republican announced on Friday that he would introduce the resolution unless Obama apologized to Cambridge Police Sgt. James Crowley for criticizing Crowley's handling of Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.'s arrest last week.

The resolution is, as McCotter's Democratic critics note, a political ploy and a waste of congressional time. The congressman undoubtedly has a full plate of issues with which he could concern himself, including his home state's porous job market.

"Times are tough, people need jobs here at home, but instead of offering solutions, obstructionist Republicans like Congressman McCotter continue to put politics first," said Ryan Rudominer, press secretary for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

McCotter isn't the only Republican official eagerly working to keep the Gates controversy alive. The National Republican Senatorial Committee on Thursday started distributing an online petition asking supporters to answer the question: "Do you think it's appropriate for our nation's Commander in Chief to stand before a national audience and criticize the men and women in law enforcement who put their lives on the line every day, when by his own admission, he doesn't even know all the facts?"

:facepalm

 

[VampElvis]

That's just dumb. There's no gain in that.

 

[Darthphere]

There was no gain in Obama commenting at all on that situation. It's a lot better than passing a resolution on Michael jackson or the Steelers winning the Super Bowl.

 

[VampElvis]

I agree.

 

[Darthphere]

It's still a colossal waste of time, but it's a lot more relevant.

 

[StorminNorman]

It's politically a brilliant move by Republicans because this requires Democrats to vote against the proposal, allowing Republican opponents to target these candidates by pinning Obama's comments on them using their votes as "proof" they agree.

 

[Darthphere]

Checkmate.

 

[Addendum]

Since when has anything in Congress not been a "waste of congressional time".

Hell, since when has anything in DC not been a "waste of time"

 

[Marx]

It's politically a brilliant move by Republicans because this requires Democrats to vote against the proposal, allowing Republican opponents to target these candidates by pinning Obama's comments on them using their votes as "proof" they agree.

...and if the Republicans use that angle it will blow up in their faces.

 

[StorminNorman]

...and if the Republicans use that angle it will blow up in their faces.

How so?

It could not be very effective, but it won't "blow up" in their faces.

 

[Marx]

How so?

People within the Republican party are already trying to spin this as 'Obama hates teh police'. If they try to push a resolution saying that Obama should apologize (when Obama has already backtracked AND invited both to the White House) and then spin the votes of anyone who votes against this resolution as something similar they will look like idiots.

 

[StorminNorman]

People within the Republican party are already trying to spin this as 'Obama hates teh police'. If they try to push a resolution saying that Obama should apologize (when Obama has already backtracked AND invited both to the White House) and then spin the votes of anyone who votes against this resolution as something similar they will look like idiots.

Not necessarily - mainly because people think Obama was wrong in this situation. I think people are tired of politicians that refuse to apologize when they are wrong and, as such, this resolution can gain some support amongst voters.

It would be smarter for Democrats to support the resolution, honestly. This way it gives them a real chance to avoid being lumped in with Obama in 2010 should Obama be a political liability. Obama's statement was stupid enough that asking for an apology shouldn't overly anger Democrat supporters of those congressmen.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Not necessarily - mainly because people think Obama was wrong in this situation. I think people are tired of politicians that refuse to apologize when they are wrong and, as such, this resolution can gain some support amongst voters.

*sigh*

Okay, it's been a few days now and I'm starting to think that this entire situation is being blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion. Folks who have been looking for an angle to go after "Golden Child" Obama are just milking this until they can do so no more. You can practically see the longtime naysayers foaming at the mouth now.

It's...sad.

It would be smarter for Democrats to support the resolution, honestly. This way it gives them a real chance to avoid being lumped in with Obama in 2010 should Obama be a political liability. Obama's statement was stupid enough that asking for an apology shouldn't overly anger Democrat supporters of those congressmen.

So suddenly, this one statement has made him a potential political liability? Really? Seriously??? Well, my god, he's sure surpassed George W. Bush with all his verbal screw ups rather quickly hasn't he...and he didn't even get his full 8 years to prove himself!

It's politically a brilliant move by Republicans because this requires Democrats to vote against the proposal, allowing Republican opponents to target these candidates by pinning Obama's comments on them using their votes as "proof" they agree.

Politically brilliant? Stormin, this "move" (or let's just call it a dumb tactic" at this point) is coming across as extremely petty and immature. Obama has already retracted his position and has extended an olive branch to those involved. What else is there to be achieved?? The GOP pushing it further than that simply reads "Desperate" and "we need an axe to grind", not..."politically brilliant." C'mon.

There are bigger issues to be concerned about than this day-old crap.

 

[Angel_Faerie]

I heard something about Obama collapsing?

 

[Marx]

I heard something about Obama collapsing?

French President Sarkozy collapsed while jogging...I haven't heard anything about President Obama.

 

[Marx]

*sigh*

Okay, it's been a few days now and I'm starting to think that this entire situation is being blown WAAAAAAY out of proportion. Folks who have been looking for an angle to go after "Golden Child" Obama are just milking this until they can do so no more. You can practically see the longtime naysayers foaming at the mouth now.

It's...sad.




So suddenly, this one statement has made him a potential political liability? Really? Seriously??? Well, my god, he's sure surpassed George W. Bush with all his verbal screw ups rather quickly hasn't he...and he didn't even get his full 8 years to prove himself!






Politically brilliant? Stormin, this "move" (or let's just call it a dumb tactic" at this point) is coming across as extremely petty and immature. Obama has already retracted his position and has extended an olive branch to those involved. What else is there to be achieved?? The GOP pushing it further than that simply reads "Desperate" and "we need an axe to grind", not..."politically brilliant." C'mon.

There are bigger issues to be concerned about than this day-old crap.

I agree, Lightning.

 

[Angel_Faerie]

French President Sarkozy collapsed while jogging...I haven't heard anything about President Obama.

Alright. I think my mom just heard the words "President collapsed" and assumed Obama.