The Dark Knight Rises OFFICIAL: Batman in New York - Part 5

[The_Raganork]

Actually this thread is kinda useless right?

Shooting is done, all these thread should technically be merged with the general discussion thread.

 

[mackblack01]

Modine interview:

http://www.indiewire.com/article/matthew-modine-talks-short-filmmaking-and-why-the-dark-knight-didnt-shoot-at-occupy-wall-street

Cool!

 

[Batmind]

Bane is an awesome villain and an unexpected choice. He obviously fit the stoy Nolan wants to tell.*

I'm glad we got him and can't wait to see him on the big screen. But you guys are acting like the only way Nolan could write the Riddler is as a poor mans Joker, a Joker-light of some sorts.*

I give Nolan waay more credit than that and you guys should too.*

His Riddler would probably be really good an not the Joker knockoff you guys all claim he would be. **

Are you guys claiming Nolan CAN'T make a good Riddler that fits this style ? His Joker wasn't even the silly dancing, playful clown we've come to expect, but he was still really really good, right ?

 

[MultipleJesuses]

My God. Reading those last few pages actually brought me close to tears. Easily one of the worst arguments/debates I've read in short time here and God knows there have been some idiotic debates.

Thanks KV for some actual news. Modine seems like he's had a blast filming. Haha. I bet he and the others have had a good laugh at some of the speculation throughout filming.

 

[batbax]

Cool how he talks about disinformation.

 

[The_Raganork]

My God. Reading those last few pages actually brought me close to tears. Easily one of the worst arguments/debates I've read in short time here and God knows there have been some idiotic debates.

Thanks KV for some actual news. Modine seems like he's had a blast filming. Haha. I bet he and the others have had a good laugh at some of the speculation throughout filming.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

Much better now

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Whether he chose Riddler and Penguin or not is irrelevant to the point being made. Either of those villains could be written both as fresh and competent threats in a Batman movie.

They have the character history to prove that. They did not last over seven decades as prominent Batman villains for no reason.

And yet I've stated my opinion on why I believe choosing The Riddler for the sequel (following The Joker and Two-Face) would be underwhelming. It's virtually following the interchangeable formula.

Now why should we do that when it seems Nolan is changing nearly everything about Bane? From his visual look to his motives, this is not a Bane I've ever seen before and that may just be the best thing Nolan could have done

How are you certain this is not Bane? Visually, you have a point but elsewhere, you do not.

 

[shauner111]

Isn't that the second time Modine has acted like this "Nixon" is just B.S. I still think his name is Foley (or whatever the rumor is) and not Nixon

 

[The Joker]

And yet I've stated my opinion on why I believe choosing The Riddler for the sequel (following The Joker and Two-Face) would be underwhelming. It's virtually following the interchangeable formula.

Your opinion on why that is so makes no sense. You seem to be speaking as though you know how Nolan would portray Riddler.

Ra's Al Ghul wasn't an eco terrorist trying to restore the world's natural ecological state. Scarecrow was reduced to a League lackey who spent the bulk of his short screen time in a suit not even wearing his Scarecrow mask. Two Face wasn't doing antics like robbing the second national bank of two million dollars at 2 PM.

How are you certain this is not Bane? Visually, you have a point but elsewhere, you do not.

Well tell me have you ever known Bane to try and push Gotham's people to "Take control of their city"? Have you ever known him to turn Gotham's people into rebelling factions against authority? Have you ever known him to care about greedy corporations? Have you ever seen him post propaganda all over Gotham?

From everything we've seen and heard, this is what he's doing. Have you ever known Bane to adopt these kind of antics?

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

 

[The_Raganork]

Isn't that the second time Modine has acted like this "Nixon" is just B.S. I still think his name is Foley (or whatever the rumor is) and not Nixon

There's no doubt his Name is Foley. I saw the badge myself. I was almost on top of Modine, he seemed pretty awesome

 

[The Batman]

talk about shaving down someone's argument to fit yours.

I attempted to show you how your opposition thought and where there is validity is.

You seemed more interested in being right rather than engaging in a discussion.

You attempted to show me how my "opposition" thought.

Instead, I just see people being hypocritical.


Person A: I dont like Bane too much. He's overrated. He seems like a KGB Beast ripoff.

Person B: You can't say that. The character hasnt reached his true potential. He's awesome if done right.

Person C: I wonder how Nolan's Riddler would be like.

Person B: Riddler? You mean that Joker ripoff? He's lame. Nolan's version would seem too similiar to heath ledger.


Frankly, if there were "validity" in the argument, it would've been clear as day like a post from Saint or The Guard.

I think most people would be ok with Bane after Joker if Nolan was gonna do a 4th with either Riddler or Penguin.

I'm ok with Bane now, especially since I think Nolan's version will be a step up from the comics. I just dont like how you have to give the benefit of the doubt towards second tier villains and their respective fans, but they can make as many judgments about other villains as they like.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

So his name is Foley? Coolio! That's cool how Modine acknowledged the misinformation.

 

[The_Raganork]

I just think the whole Nixon story was someone blowing smoke up our asses. I know his trailer had the name but him being a key villain seems more and more like a fabrication

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

Wait his trailer had the name Nixon on it?

 

[ThePhantasm]

Foley? Nixon is a better sounding name than Foley...

 

[venus_ice]

I think the sides had him labeled as Nixon so everyone assumed it was his real name and that he was a politician. Of course the real name wouldn't be released as easily as that! What we don't know is if 'Nixon' has some sort of thematic significance.

 

[StarLord]

Foley? Nixon is a better sounding name than Foley...

This is Nolan's nod to Beverly Hills Cop....

 

[Blue Sugar]

Foley is a goofy name. I like Nixon better. But It's not important at all really.

 

[The_Raganork]

Wait his trailer had the name Nixon on it?

i thought i had heard that but when GothamGuardian and I saw his trailer it said Foley.

 

[frakkingoff]

Well if Modine is a villain, then "Nixon" is appropriate, especially if he's a bureaucratic or political type. "Foley" sounds more like a good guy name - both because of the specific nod to Beverly Hills Cop, as well as the fact that it just doesn't sound sinister (like you said, almost "goofy").

Given what we've seen from our spies, I think it's safer to believe that Modine is one of the good guys, so "Foley" would be more appropriate.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Your opinion on why that is so makes no sense. You seem to be speaking as though you know how Nolan would portray Riddler.

Ra's Al Ghul wasn't an eco terrorist trying to restore the world's natural ecological state. Scarecrow was reduced to a League lackey who spent the bulk of his short screen time in a suit not even wearing his Scarecrow mask. Two Face wasn't doing antics like robbing the second national bank of two million dollars at 2 PM.

The Riddler is a fellow non-physical killer who attacks the psyche with twisted tactics. While his traits and motives differ from The Joker's, the genre of villain that he is cannot be denied.

Yes, villains such as Scarecrow can also be included into this discussion but The Riddler would be associated with The Joker (especially by outsiders) due to the reason that Tricks, Jokes and Riddles are frequently paired together, and TDK & TDKR format for a psychotic killer would appear like a carbon copy. Candidly, just replace philosophical 'jokes' with philosophical 'riddles'.

Well tell me have you ever known Bane to try and push Gotham's people to "Take control of their city"? Have you ever known him to turn Gotham's people into rebelling factions against authority? Have you ever known him to care about greedy corporations? Have you ever seen him post propaganda all over Gotham?

From everything we've seen and heard, this is what he's doing. Have you ever known Bane to adopt these kind of antics?

Who is to say that he's not capable of these feats when Bane will do whatever it takes to achieve and/or win? He is a man of deception and great intellect: cunning and cerebral.

Anywho, we're getting alittle ahead of ourselves here. The synopsis has to even be released. Therefore, you don't know Bane's agenda -- other than taking over Gotham (which is Bane-ish).

 

[The_Raganork]

I miss this:

http://www.citizensforbatman.org/nyc.aspx

 

[The Joker]

The Riddler is a fellow non-physical killer who attacks the psyche with twisted tactics.

No, he doesn't. He challenges people's intelligence with riddles. He couldn't give a toss about their psyche. He's all about proving who's smarter.

While his traits and motives differ from The Joker's, the genre of villain that he is cannot be denied.

You're right, two different brands of villains. It cannot be denied.

Yes, villains such as Scarecrow can also be included into this discussion but The Riddler would be associated with The Joker (especially by outsiders) due to the reason that Tricks, Jokes and Riddles are frequently paired together

What tricks and jokes does Riddler employ that are similar to Joker's?

I am fascinated by your mentality here. You acknowledge they are two completely different villains, then in the same breath you say some of their gimmicks are similar.

I'm surprised veins are not popping out of your forehead that we've got Bane using a doomsday device after Ra's Al Ghul used one in Begins. Or Bane turning Gotham into an angry murderous mob similar to what Joker did to them over Reese in TDK.

Holy similar gimmicks, Batman!

and TDK & TDKR format for a psychotic killer would appear like a carbon copy. Candidly, just replace philosophical 'jokes' with philosophical 'riddles'.

Riddler is not a psychotic killer like Joker. Not even close. Riddler's body count is minimum. He's about the riddles not the body count.

Do you think Bane will rack up a high body count in TDKR? Aren't you worried he'll come off as another psycho killer like Joker?

Who is to say that he's not capable of these feats when Bane will do whatever it takes to achieve and/or win?

What are you talking about? Any Batman villain is capable of doing any evil deed if they wanted to. If Joker wanted to use a microwave emitter to wreck Gotham then I'm sure he could. Conversely I'm sure Ra's could have done what Joker did if he wanted to.

That doesn't mean either villain would or should because it doesn't fit their style and M.O.

He is a man of deception and great intellect: cunning and cerebral.

So is Ra's, Joker, Riddler, Scarecrow etc.

Anywho, we're getting alittle ahead of ourselves here. The synopsis has to even be released. Therefore, you don't know Bane's agenda.

I don't need a synopsis to get a very good idea of what he's doing. Unless you think the set pictures are deceptive and giving a false image? Or that speech we heard him give at the Heinz Field is wrong? Or all that corporate propaganda is false?

I haven't even mentioned all the info the ninjas have heard to support this.