Official Contest of Marvels II Discussion Thread

but at the end of the day it's about who WOULD win rather than who should

It's bad news for BK, but what your talking about is basically completely changing large parts of the the competition. Wouldn't be COM anymore with such major changes
 
BTW, here is a relatively easy way to schedule things, an old school way, a way to ensure people do not face themselves unless there is no other way around it, and to ensure the matches are evenly spread through each week to overcome overloading and bye weeks. This way would probably only take a half hour also, and could be worth the time and effort.

First you write down every character on one side of index cards, on the other side you blotch a color representing the owner. Colored index cards would work great here, save some time, doesn't matter what color is who, it's just so you can visually sort things.

After you do that you have a stack of index cards for each color, name of the character and team are not known. Start with the color with the most cards and start placing those cards in stacks depending on how many brackets you have, so if it's 16 brackets you make 16 piles. Those first colors will have many cards, so just place them, then when you are done with that color, you grab the next highest color and start placing them too, starting after the pile where you placed the last of the previous color.

Continue this until you are done, each pile will have a balanced number of cards, and a balanced number of colors, or at least as balanced as you can get with owners have different numbers of characters.

At this point you take all the odd numbered piles, and pull them to the left, and the even numbers and put them on the right, basically re-ordering the 16 piles to ensure even more color balance, even past the first round.

After this you can repeat those above steps for each of the 16 piles, but it might be faster to now go into the manual sorting phase. If this is done right you can ensure no self vs. matches until there are no other opponents left.

Shuffle each of the 16 piles, then start with pile one and start making piles of two, disregarding the colors. After you are done look for any piles of two with matching colors, then just switch one out with another color, making sure to then not make the other pile matching.

After doing this you will have a balanced bracket set-up. This can probably be done programatically, but this sounds like more fun :D I could demonstrate it with this round of matches to show what it could look like and the benefits.
 
It's bad news for BK, but what your talking about is basically completely changing large parts of the the competition. Wouldn't be COM anymore with such major changes

'Completely changing large parts of the competition', how is this one idea of splitting the group into two categories doing such a thing??
 
'Completely changing large parts of the competition', how is this one idea of splitting the group into two categories doing such a thing??

for example I beat atlas with ronin through doing my research and creative thinking. If the contest was split they would be in seperate classes. Those however are the sweetest wins of all :heart:
 
When is debating over? My opening arguments are up.

I am leaving on Friday for South of Spain for a few days and will not be back until next Wednesday so if I have matches next week, could you please let me know.
 
Hopefully this weekend being down will finally fix some of the problems the Hype's been having lately. Obviously the last two fixes did nothing to help the lags and problems. So far everything seems good.

With debating, we'll have it go through Wednesday...Thursday if needed. We'll figure out voting after that...see how things work out.

I did get ahold of Sparta last week. He's so disgusted with all the Hype lags, loosing his posts, and all the other problems. Plus, them moving his thread into the obscure might be a bone of contention, which I totally understand. For that reason, right now he's just taking a break from it all.
 
So far, half the time I've tried to check things on The Hype, I've gotten Error messages or long load times. It looks like whatever they're doing really isn't doing much of anything.
 
for example I beat atlas with ronin through doing my research and creative thinking. If the contest was split they would be in seperate classes. Those however are the sweetest wins of all :heart:

Your opponent did not debate that week.
 
If anybody cares anymore about what I have to say, I went and did a pass on the scheduling using the technique I posted a few days ago. This schedule spreads out the matches for each person equally through the 8 brackets, only one person has more than 3 matches in a single week(Wieg). This also makes sure there are no selfVS. matches, and also is set up to prevents this as much as possible in the next few rounds, though if a person wins all of his matches there is no way to prevent it.

*** this is not the actual schedule, just an FYI in case there were any confusion, this is just a test ***


Bracket 1

Armagedon - Exiles - WIEBEABO
Forge - HIPPY FASCIST

Magneto - KYTRIGGER
Emma Frost - PHAEDRUS45

Thor - HARLEKIN
Victor Mancha - ZOKEN

Nova - DARTHPHERE
Shatterstar - JEWISHHOBBIT

Georgeous George - HARLEKIN
Sunfire - Exiles - KYTRIGGER

Juggernaut - Villian - HIPPY FASCIST
Iceman - MIDNIGHT ICE

Psylocke - PRIMEMOVER
Mr. Sinister - AHURA MAZDA

Super Adaptoid - WIEBEABO
Magnus - Exiles - PHAEDRUS45


Bracket 2

Justice - HARLEKIN
Jean Grey - PHAEDRUS45

Garrok - KYTRIGGER
Emplate - AHURA MAZDA

Her - WIEBEABO
Madman - MIDNIGHT ICE

Cable - Telepath - HIPPY FASCIST
Jesse Bedlam - JEWISHHOBBIT

Stryfe - PRIMEMOVER
Exodus - KYTRIGGER

Man-Wolf - WIEBEABO
Caliban - JEWISHHOBBIT

Mastermind - DARTHPHERE
Bloodaxe - PHAEDRUS45

Morlun - HIPPY FASCIST
Alex Powers - HARLEKIN


Bracket 3

Kitty Pryde - JEWISHHOBBIT
Diablo - MIDNIGHT ICE

Nimrod - WIEBEABO
Longshot - HIPPY FASCIST

Sersi - KYTRIGGER
Iron Man - PHAEDRUS45

Skullfire - WIEBEABO
Kurse - AHURA MAZDA

Carrion - WIEBEABO
Hisako Ichiki - HARLEKIN

Synch - KYTRIGGER
Paibok the Power Skrull - HIPPY FASCIST

Famine - PHAEDRUS45
Durok The Demolisher - AHURA MAZDA

Carol Danvers - DARTHPHERE
Joseph - JEWISHHOBBIT


Bracket 4

Vengence - HIPPY FASCIST
Damien Hellstrom - HARLEKIN

Super Skrull - PHAEDRUS45
Unus The Untouchable - WIEBEABO

Cyclops - JEWISHHOBBIT
Selene - KYTRIGGER

Black Tarantula - ZOKEN
Savage Hulk - AHURA MAZDA

Jack Of Hearts - PHAEDRUS45
Warlock - M Tech - WIEBEABO

The Master - MIDNIGHT ICE
Firelord - DARTHPHERE

Guardian - Mac Hudson - PRIMEMOVER
Unuscione - KYTRIGGER

Moonstone - HARLEKIN
Wallflower - House of M - JEWISHHOBBIT


Bracket 5

Gorgon - Enemy of the State - PHAEDRUS45
Red Ghost - MIDNIGHT ICE

Mr. Fantastic - KYTRIGGER
Invisible Woman - DARTHPHERE

Spiral - WIEBEABO
Meggan - PRIMEMOVER

Rachel Grey - HIPPY FASCIST
Pulsar - HARLEKIN

Frankie Raye - PHAEDRUS45
Mr. Hyde - HARLEKIN

Photon - Genis - KYTRIGGER
Pluto - AHURA MAZDA

Nick Fury - WIEBEABO
Gamesmaster - JEWISHHOBBIT

Punisher - ZOKEN
Banshee - HIPPY FASCIST


Bracket 6

Apocalypse - HARLEKIN
Hercules - KYTRIGGER

Ultimus - PHAEDRUS45
Luke Cage - PRIMEMOVER

X-Cutioner - WIEBEABO
Baldur - AHURA MAZDA

Fixer - HIPPY FASCIST
Abyss - AoA - JEWISHHOBBIT

Yellow claw - PHAEDRUS45
Protocide - MIDNIGHT ICE

Adam X - JEWISHHOBBIT
Nightcrawler - HARLEKIN

Captain Britain - Brian Braddock - DARTHPHERE
Clea - WIEBEABO

Beta Ray Bill - HIPPY FASCIST
Maestro - KYTRIGGER


Bracket 7

Sphinx - ZOKEN
Scarlet Spider - JEWISHHOBBIT

New Sun - WIEBEABO
Drax - MIDNIGHT ICE

Kid Omega - PHAEDRUS45
Scarlet Witch - AHURA MAZDA

Airwalker - KYTRIGGER
Black Panther - HARLEKIN

Ultron - DARTHPHERE
Korath - PHAEDRUS45

Mesmero - HARLEKIN
Lord Templar - PRIMEMOVER

Storm - JEWISHHOBBIT
Enchantress - HIPPY FASCIST

Adam Warlock - WIEBEABO
Agatha Harkness - HIPPY FASCIST


Bracket 8

Quasar - WIEBEABO
Wildside - KYTRIGGER

Doc Octopus - JEWISHHOBBIT
Jim Hammond - ZOKEN

Morg - DARTHPHERE
Tana Nile - PHAEDRUS45

War - MIDNIGHT ICE
Gravitron - HARLEKIN

Kylun - PRIMEMOVER
Maverick - HIPPY FASCIST

Senyaka - KYTRIGGER
Halloween Jack - AHURA MAZDA

Fandral - HARLEKIN
Helix - WIEBEABO

Belasco - PHAEDRUS45
Kaine - JEWISHHOBBIT
 
Now I'm confused as to what you're trying to do.

If your saying to setup the brackets to improve scheduling, I'm against it because it effects how all later rounds will play out.

On the other hand, if your suggesting we don't change the brackets, just have the matches in a different order (which wouldn't effect any outcomes), that's different.

But your mention of avoiding self-self matches is confusing me because it makes me think you mean option one.
 
Now I'm confused as to what you're trying to do.

If your saying to setup the brackets to improve scheduling, I'm against it because it effects how all later rounds will play out.

On the other hand, if your suggesting we don't change the brackets, just have the matches in a different order (which wouldn't effect any outcomes), that's different.

But your mention of avoiding self-self matches is confusing me because it makes me think you mean option one.

I am saying to schedule from the start to spread matches out for each player so they don't have 6 match weeks and 0 match weeks, but also lay those out in a way to NOT to have self vs self matches for as long as possible.

I am not saying we alter what's happening right now in this seasons, just showing how you can schedule in the future to make those things mentioned above from happening.
 
Here are your matches for next week, Ahura.

Bracket 1: Durok (yours) vs. Agatha Harkness (Hippy)
Bracket 2: Photon-Genis (KY) vs. Savage Hulk (yours)
Bracket 8: Her (Wieg) vs. Kurse (yours)

Plus, from what Hippy posted, it looks like the site will go down this weekend AGAIN; and, that it will be going down every weekend for quite some time. This, of course, totally screws up the schedule; so, the schedule is going to have to be made up as we go along.
 
two things,

just to confirm...debating doesn't close till thursday correct? *crosses finger* ;)

and perhaps after this week we should just go on a break till the hypes fixed (shouldn't be more than a week or two.)? We had a break in between round one and two so why not 2 & 3?
 
Finally got on. Anyway, we'll have debating go until Thursday, yes. But, the way the Hype is, we might just have to trudge onward. From the thread you posted a link to, it sounds like this can go on for many weekends to come.
 
Here are your matches for next week, Ahura.

Bracket 1: Durok (yours) vs. Agatha Harkness (Hippy)
Bracket 2: Photon-Genis (KY) vs. Savage Hulk (yours)
Bracket 8: Her (Wieg) vs. Kurse (yours)

Plus, from what Hippy posted, it looks like the site will go down this weekend AGAIN; and, that it will be going down every weekend for quite some time. This, of course, totally screws up the schedule; so, the schedule is going to have to be made up as we go along.

Ok I am not going to get to this until Next Wednesday at the earliest. Is that going to be ok because I do not want to lose any of those characters.
 
Man, I had no idea what I was getting into when I made this beast. I used to make these little tournaments when I was a kid and drew the names out of a hat and fairly played out each match in my head and tried not to be biased (failing often). Then for fun I made a huge 1200 or so character tournament and played it out and had so much fun. I remember Joseph winning that tournament in my head, but I just never felt fulfilled because I never really knew if he trully deserved to win. At the time I was finishing up with the DTL and I just had the thought to create this contest. I remember getting ahold of several DTLers, Phaed, Sparta, and a few others to see if there'd be an interest. I planned on giving out my own prizes, which was Amazing Spiderman 121 and 122 (death of Gwen and Norman) and I was stoked. I think we had around 20 people signed up to play eagerly.... then the hard times hit that Phaed mentioned and I had to sell those comics so I could buy food for the family and pay some bills and I thought the contest was a bust before it even began. We had a lot of drop outs, but Phaed came along on his white horse, offering prizes and offering his help, and without him this thing would have died long ago. POWdER-Man and W were big helps as well. I honestly don't have time to lead this tourney and I think Phaed is the one who keeps it going. Dude's awsome. One of these days when I get my situations all lined up again, I'm going to go all out and buy some of my own prizes for this thing and give Phaed a break.

Though good news... my wife, mother, and I have finally gotten our house out of forclosure and have paid the last of the ampped morgage payments we were required to pay to save the house after my stepfather desided to not pay anymore without telling my mom... so that's going to end up saving us all about 600 bucks a months, and my wife's school loans will be paid off here in about 3 to 4 months, saving an extra 200 or so a month. Then we just focus on the credit cards and we'll be good. If all goes as planned (and when does it ever go as planned) we will be completely dept free this time next year. Here's hoping!

Anyhow, Yeah, it's been a fun ride thus far, and while I'm completely COM'd out, I think I'll be fine after a long hiatus. I think I really just need time away from the computer and just focus on the family, work, church, and my book (which I'm almost done with!). I need to just get less busy for a while and cool down. Once I regain my bearings, I should be ready for another round of Contest. I don't think I'm going to be getting a team in the DTL, but I may consider co-owning a team. I don't know, still debating it all. The co-owning thing sounds nice, but I'm anal retentive and it'd bug me if I don't get to design my team how I like it. We'll see.

Hmm, and I can't find anyone to come over and play Risk with me! :mad: I'm bored. I might work on my book soon. I'm rambling so bad it isn't funny!

I :heart: jewbs.....

I would play Risk with you if I could......I love that game, but I get the blue soldiers.....
 
I would play Risk with you if I could......I love that game, but I get the blue soldiers.....

Heh, I like playing with a friend of mine because he's partially color blind. He can see differant colors, but veriations blend and become hard for him to see. So if he plays blue, I play grey. The colors are so similar that many times he'll miss something I'm planning, thinking them his pieces, and then I'll totally kick his butt.

And that conquerclub thing is kinda cool. I'm definately going to have to check that out when I have time to register and look it over. We'll have to get a good game going sometime soon.



Oh, and just for the record... work sucked today. My boss made me cuss... twice. So that's curse numbers 12 and 13 in 11 years, so that shows how mad I was. Fortunately he made me mad on the phone and I hung up before cursing... and I slammed my fist on the table so hard that my wife (who works there also) jumped and went silent. She's never heard me cuss and has never seen me slam my fist. Basically, my boss pulled the second guy who I work with away to do other things, leaving me to handle an extremely heavy workload. I did what I could and he then told me that it wasn't enough and that he was going to have to change our schedual, giving one of us a night shift and leaving us both to work mostly alone during our shifts, which makes no sense to me. We're both hard working and get most done when together, but he thinks that for some reason if we cover more hours, though working alone, we'll get more done. We aren't people who goof around. We don't stand around and talk. We work our hearts out from the time we get in to the time we close, and apparently it's still not enough. He just refuses to hire a 3rd person for the nights or weekends, even a part timer, because he doesnt' want to spend the money on it. So not only did he take away my job title as a superviser, thus, making me inelligable for a raise when hired in, he didn't adaquately inform me of the amount of manual labor (and I'm one who likes manual labor)... and now he wants to take away the only thing the job has going for it, the schedual? My colored blind friend is the HR manager at LOWES, Home Depot's competator.... I'm so close to going to her and getting a new job. I'm thinking about lining the job up as a potential and if he changes the hours, putting in my notice. It sucks because I actually like the job, the place, the people, everything... I've just never worked in a place where the manager works against you and doesn't allow you to do your best for the job. GRRRRRRRRR. I whine so much now I annoy my self. I need to shut up.
 

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