First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull - Part 6/6/44

[wobbly]

I always thought The Red Skull fell into a vat of chemicals.

That's the Joker. Originally, and up until the 1980's, the Skull wore a mask over a normal face.

I think that he got his own dust of death on his face but somehow he survived

Yup, he got exposed to his own dust of death, but survived as by then (1980's) his original body had died and Arnim Zola had transferred his mind into cloned body of Cap (complete with Cap's enhancements). The exposure deformed his face only to resemble his former mask (so in theory if Cap ever inhaled the stuff he would be disfigured just the same).

For the movie it looks like they are following the one decent idea the 90's flick had, that he was an earlier recipient of an unperfected SS serum. It's either that or the cube does it, but what I've seen of the web comic suggests the former.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

What a dick.

 

[Slushy]

That's the Joker. Originally, and up until the 1980's, the Skull wore a mask over a normal face.

Yup, he got exposed to his own dust of death, but survived as by then (1980's) his original body had died and Arnim Zola had transferred his mind into cloned body of Cap (complete with Cap's enhancements). The exposure deformed his face only to resemble his former mask (so in theory if Cap ever inhaled the stuff he would be disfigured just the same).

For the movie it looks like they are following the one decent idea the 90's flick had, that he was an earlier recipient of an unperfected SS serum. It's either that or the cube does it, but what I've seen of the web comic suggests the former.

Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining that otherwise it would be dumb if The Red Skull wore a mask over his...mask!

 

[wobbly]

What a dick.

There's no excuse for bad accounting

 

[Michael Frost]

I seriously hope he has an accident or some kind of mishap with the Cube.

It's kinda silly that the serum does it because his inner ittentions are evil. This what we've been getting told and it sounds cheesy... I seriously hope we get a better explanation other than "the serum makes your true form stand out".

 

[The Overlord]

Considering how evil Red Skull is in the comics, do you think Red Skull will do something really evil in the movie?

 

[The Morningstar]

I doubt he'll be as truly sadistic and evil as he has been portrayed in the comics on occasion.

He'll be a nasty piece of work though, no doubt.

 

[wobbly]

When no-one is looking he should steal 40 cakes (that's as many as four tens) and that's terrible.

 

[The Overlord]

I doubt he'll be as truly sadistic and evil as he has been portrayed in the comics on occasion.

He'll be a nasty piece of work though, no doubt.

Well Joker was pretty evil in Dark Knight and that's a PG-13 film.

Red Skull's whole stitch is being really, really evil. I hope they can get that across in the film, so he seems truly vile and not just a standard villain.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Eh, i'm not too fussed about that. With Hydra being essentially Nazi's and Weaving with a German accent, I think they need to be pretty careful with that stuff because it has great potential to enter forced, cliched, camp 'We have ways of making you talk' territory.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think the vile nature of the Red Skull needs to be established. Yes, it can enter cliche territory, but the Red Skull needs to stand out amongst villains. The way he does in the comics is by being quite possibly the most pure evil force in the Marvel Universe. What I mean by that is, if you take someone like Dr. Doom or Thanos and they give you their word they will not kill you in some kind of exchange, chances are they won't. The Red Skull, most DEFINITELY is going to kill you first chance he gets. Regardless if you had just saved his life or something. That level of evil makes him the perfect foil to Cap's heart of gold.

I think they need to express that in the film.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, but it's easy to portray him as ruthless like that without needing to make him 'really vile'. We don't need constant examples of his evilness with him just torturing countless innocents. That would just be overkill. You only really need one or two key scenes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I agree, they shouldn't overkill it or continually make him do cliche things like kill his own men every 5 secs in the film to show he is evil, but I would like to see us see the blackness of his soul really well at some point in the film. At least once.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, but to do that well, you only really need one or two key scenes. I believe TDK's Joker was mentioned.

To me the scenes that conveyed that in a really cool way (although there were so many of them!) was when he tells Gamble the story of his scars, and then Rachel. Sure we also see him kill A LOT of people and terrorise Gotham, but it's on those moments you see the anarchic depth of his insanity. Something like that for RS is all thats needed, a specific, defining character moment. Doesn't need to be him just torturing someone, that is too ham fisted.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, but to do that well, you only really need one or two key scenes. I believe TDK's Joker was mentioned.

To me the scenes that conveyed that in a really cool way (although there were so many of them!) was when he tells Gamble the story of his scars, and then Rachel. Sure we also see him kill A LOT of people and terrorise Gotham, but it's on those moments you see the anarchic depth of his insanity. Something like that for RS is all thats needed, a specific, defining character moment. Doesn't need to be him just torturing someone, that is too ham fisted.

I agree, I'd rather that character defining moment be something more original than a simple torture scene or killing a leiutent, etc. The scars scenes you mentioned are a great example, but I think the defining Joker moment where you see how anarchtic and black he is would be the interrogation scene. THERE, you truly see how ugly he is. He had several great examples, LOL! I really hope the Red Skull gets a great scene that rivals that. If I get just one scene that good, I'll be more than satisfied.

 

[The Overlord]

Eh, i'm not too fussed about that. With Hydra being essentially Nazi's and Weaving with a German accent, I think they need to be pretty careful with that stuff because it has great potential to enter forced, cliched, camp 'We have ways of making you talk' territory.

Just being a Nazi doesn't really stand out, considering there have works that portrayed Nazis in a rather silly light, like Hogan's Heroes. Nazis are evil because of their actions, so having be a Nazi, but not doing anything that made the Nazis so hated doesn't really make him menacing.

Really if all he does is talk about taking over the world and failing to kill Captain America, then he isn't scary, whether he dresses like a Nazi or not. He should do at least one truly evil thing. He should be a pretty scary villain, so he should do some scary things.

 

[Quasimod0]

he should KILL someone.

 

[TikkiEXX]

well we know he kills some Nazis so that should be an indicator of how evil he is. nothing worse than killing your own guys.

 

[wobbly]

Maybe he is experimenting on the POW's that Cap goes out to rescue.
Conducting Mengele like mutilations is pretty damn evil.

I think a scene where we get an insight into his own master plan though can do the job. We know he breaks from Hitler's agenda, which was bad enough, so it'd be interesting to see just what the Skull wants the world to be. What would this world, presumably governed by Hydra with the Skull as it's overlord, really be like? (An Orwell 1984 style dystopia I would imagine at best).

On the Joker in TDK, the scene with Harvey in the hospital was one of my favorites. You saw his lunacy, the thinking that fuelled it, and the inherent irony of his own agenda (tearing down others 'plans' to show chaos rules by employing elaborate complicated plans himself). Joker did not have a long term vision mind you, it was all about 'seeing the world burn' as Alfred put it.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Have Weaving throw a bag of kittens into a lake at the beginning of the movie.............that should do it.

 

[Quasimod0]

only if that lake is full of crocodiles

 

[Brian Braddock]

Or a lake full of Piranha's (very meniacally Blofieldian).

 

[Iron_Stark]

I light of yesterday's image of Bane being revealed, it looks like the Red Skull is still the most accurate villain comic to movie transition.

 

[Vartha]

AAAAHHH so THAT's what all the hubbub was about hahaha. I stayed out of there for a reason I guess.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't get the problem with Bane. People are still expecting to see a 100% visually faithful version of a character in a Nolan film? Have they not realised how he works yet? Next they'll be shocked to discover Tarantino likes violence.