First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull

[Drakon]

If Red Skull was frozen, wouldn't that be a mid-life cryostasis?

 

[Drakon]

If Red Skull was frozen, wouldn't that be a mid-life cryostasis?

 

[Rich Santoro]

< rim-shot > Nice one...

 

[sabetoonth]

i think zemo if they use both, have 1st be in ww2 working with skull. then his son puts together the masters of evil in the avengers

 

[Rich Santoro]

Here's a good look for skull... but perhaps the lips should be peeled back, ala Karl Kroenen in Hellboy.

 

[sabetoonth]

i dont get that make up, he has the tteeth on his lips and then teeth under the lips? but that is the direction to go, maybe someone could manip it inot red skull

 

[antmanx68]

I think Red Skull looked pretty cool in the old cap movie, I'd say do that with a little hint of Skeletor and you're good to go.

 

[Chris B]

What if they did something where after Cap defeats the Skull at the end of his fillm, he's left with injuries that were unable to be treated during in the 1940's and goes into suspended animation until the present day where medical knowledge has advanced to the point where said injuries can be treated. They could even tie it into SHIELD deciding to form the Avengers and escalating the search for Captain America upon learning of the Red Skull's revival.

 

[protocida]

He could be placed in an advanced life support device developed by the Nazis.

 

[Rich Santoro]

He could have longevity provided by a modified / incomplete SSS that induced madness.

He could become a decrepid nonagenerian that is revitalizewd by the cosmic cube... or a new dose of a newly formulated SSS by bad guys.

He could steel Dr. Dooms time machine and leap forward to fight Cap once again on the future.

He could play freeze tag, and Cap leaves him there for 65 years before he unfreezes him.

He could take a gig acting as a hotel caretaker in the off-season, and become frozen in a hedge-row maze.

 

[sabetoonth]

what if he gets canelled and the studio execs restart him in the 21st century?

 

[Triad]

He could play freeze tag, and Cap leaves him there for 65 years before he unfreezes him.

This made me laugh out loud!
Thanks Rich!

 

[sabetoonth]

we need mre laughs nowa days

 

[Rich Santoro]

This made me laugh out loud!
Thanks Rich!

Glad I can lighten the mood a bit... We all get so intense about these movie ideas. It is exciting and fun, but sometimes somewhat overzealous...

 

[catintheengine]

Personally I think Red Skull should start off the movie not being deformed and then at some point during the movie gains some sort of scarring on his face.

And as far as casting goes:

Peter Stormare for Red Skull, and Malcolm McDowell for Baron Zemo.


And in my opinion, I think the most effective way to have RS and Zemo in the movie would to have Red Skull lead Hitler's secret occult group (or something along those lines). Heck, if you wanted to tie it in to the other movies, maybe have it that they're searching for a way to 'summon' Thor/Loki/Odin/some Asgardian and that would place them up in Scandinavia which could end with Cap getting frozen at the end of the film. Just an idea.

 

[Webhead2006]

that could work out well.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Personally I think Red Skull should start off the movie not being deformed and then at some point during the movie gains some sort of scarring on his face.

I have been getting behind the idea that Skull takes a bastardized version of the SSS, which causes the skeletal mutation (ala Blonsky in TIH... as seen with his protruding spine in the bathroom scene). So he starts out normal... then takes the formula stolen when Erskine is murdered... and he becomes the Red Skull.

And as far as casting goes:

Peter Stormare for Red Skull, and Malcolm McDowell for Baron Zemo.

Those are good... especially McDowell. But I could see Stomare doing either...

And in my opinion, I think the most effective way to have RS and Zemo in the movie would to have Red Skull lead Hitler's secret occult group (or something along those lines). Heck, if you wanted to tie it in to the other movies, maybe have it that they're searching for a way to 'summon' Thor/Loki/Odin/some Asgardian and that would place them up in Scandinavia which could end with Cap getting frozen at the end of the film. Just an idea.

I like the idea of a secret occult operation. Researching mystical powers, rituals, channeling, etc... including the use of terrorism principles to try and defeat the enemies soul. Zemo can be a genetic scientist and clinical psycologist, trying to alter the bodies and minds of test subjects to create a Doctor Moreau type of altered / enhanced being (not animal hybrid though... just ghoulish, blank stared, killing machines).

Red Skull would be overseeing all of these "weapons" and tactical programs. I don't want to try and knock off the openning Hell-boy too much here, but that kind of tone is the way to go.

 

[protocida]

Red Skull is the leader of Hydra, a black ops team under Hitler's service. His second man is interrogator/torturer Dr. Faustus.

 

[catintheengine]

Rich, I thought the same thing. Stormare could do either and (really) so could McDowell. However, when I really gave it some thought I think that McDowell could pull off more of a sophisticated, cerebral, academically-minded Zemo and that Stormare would play a more frightening RS.

I really like your idea about a botched SSS messing with RS, though I'd fear it would almost be too close to what happened in TIH, but it does work as an excellent explanation for Skull's facial scars.

The way I imagine it is that RS becomes obsessed with killing Cap (especially after his scaring, for which he blames Cap) and Zemo is more interested in studying Captain.

 

[sabetoonth]

and in an attempt to capture cap and study him under a microscope, an accident welds the mask to his face

 

[Dog Brother #1]

I want to see the death dust. Make it a bio-chem weapon, like mustard gas or zyclon gas.

 

[BT18]

I haven't read through this whole thread but has it been brought up that there were both a main Red Skull and a decoy Red Skull in Caps World War II days? The real one was Johann Schmidt but I think the double George John Maxon (an American businessman and spy who was working for the Nazis) would be a really cool character to include as well. It would also appeal to an international audience to acknowledge a bit of the Nazi business ties to some individuals in the far right wing of the American ruling class (IE Prescott Bush, The Harrimans, the guys who planned a coup against FDR etc).
Maxon could represent that and it would obviously be much more advantageous for franchise purposes to kill him off and not Schmidt.

BTW look at this article, I think they could draw alot of material from some of these guys for different characters of questionable morals, particularly DuPont http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/1999/10/17/1999-10-17_conspiracy_theory_gerald_mac.html

 

[Dog Brother #1]

Judging by Marvel Studios history, the villain will be an actor that was a leading man in the 80's. So I'm gonna go ahead and call it now: Steve Guttenberg as Red Skull. Ha!

 

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Does anyone like the look of feral ghouls (from Fallout 3) for Red Skull..? No..? Ok. *leaves*

 

[sabetoonth]

I haven't read through this whole thread but has it been brought up that there were both a main Red Skull and a decoy Red Skull in Caps World War II days? The real one was Johann Schmidt but I think the double George John Maxon (an American businessman and spy who was working for the Nazis) would be a really cool character to include as well. It would also appeal to an international audience to acknowledge a bit of the Nazi business ties to some individuals in the far right wing of the American ruling class (IE Prescott Bush, The Harrimans, the guys who planned a coup against FDR etc).
Maxon could represent that and it would obviously be much more advantageous for franchise purposes to kill him off and not Schmidt.

BTW look at this article, I think they could draw alot of material from some of these guys for different characters of questionable morals, particularly DuPont http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/1999/10/17/1999-10-17_conspiracy_theory_gerald_mac.html

maxon was the vdry first red skull he was an american nazi and wore a mask, he had nothing to do with the schmidt skull other than being a nazi, there was yet another one as there was a fifties cap while rogers was frozen