First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull

[Rich Santoro]

Didn't karl Kroenen already do the "nazi who cuts off his face" thing???

I prefer the 616 Skull with some movie-verse embellishments. Here is a repeat of some of the things that I mentioned a few months backthat I still think are a very good idea. Skull takes a bastardized version of the SSS, which causes the skeletal mutation (ala Blonsky in TIH... as seen with his protruding spine in the bathroom scene). So he starts out normal... then takes the formula stolen when Erskine is murdered (misisng the Vita-ray component)... and thus becomes the Red Skull. The formula induces madness, enhances strength beyond human (making it so that Cap defeating him is all the more impressive), and perhaps gains longevity from the formula.

In the film, Skull escapes at the end, and makes his way to S. America after the Allies win WWII. There, he goes into hiding. He could age slowly due to the super soldier formula that he took, or has underwent additional experiments over the decades, giving him longevity... or he is a nonagenerian, and at long last manufactures the Cosmic Cube and uses the power to revitalize himself.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I'd actually like to see them go really old school with Red Skull, and present him the way Marvel has depicted Red Skull during the Second World War.

Namely, Red Skull comes before Captain America, rather than vice versa. He doesn't have superpowers, and (though I'd understand them changing this) he doesn't have disfigurement, instead just wearing a skull mask. He is used as a symbol to spread terror throughout the enemies of the Third Reich. So the Americans are forced to respond by creating their own symbol, a symbol of hope.

But yeah, I think by avoding making Red Skull just a physical threat, it means they have to work harder to make him menacing in other ways: through his behaviour, his actions. It puts more focus on the performance by making him more of a cerebral opponent.

 

[Triad]

Didn't karl Kroenen already do the "nazi who cuts off his face" thing???

I prefer the 616 Skull with some movie-verse embellishments. Here is a repeat of some of the things that I mentioned a few months backthat I still think are a very good idea. Skull takes a bastardized version of the SSS, which causes the skeletal mutation (ala Blonsky in TIH... as seen with his protruding spine in the bathroom scene). So he starts out normal... then takes the formula stolen when Erskine is murdered (misisng the Vita-ray component)... and thus becomes the Red Skull. The formula induces madness, enhances strength beyond human (making it so that Cap defeating him is all the more impressive), and perhaps gains longevity from the formula.

That is kinda similar to an idea that I posted some time back in the Super Soldier Serum thread:

Just an idea here:
For the movie they should play up the symbolism with the different components of the Super Soldier Serum. The actual injected formula is BLUE, (Like it is in TIH) there can be a RED gas that breaks down sub-par soft tissue (kinda like the green one used in the Goblin's transformation in Spiderman) and the Vita-rays could be WHITE blasts of energy that enhances the advanced healing process so that the gas doesn't destroy the tissues too much before they can heal.
(Get it? Red, White & Blue! Not too cheezy, is it?)
Anyway, rather than just a spy shooting Dr. Reinstein, the Nazis could bust in during Rodgers transformation, a battle ensues and the Vita-ray apparatus is completely destroyed. Rodgers escapes, (possibly with the assistance of a young Howard Stark?) but the rest of the SSS & equipment is confiscated by the Germans.
Later in the movie, as Cap's heroic exploits start to add up & the Nazis are in danger of losing the war, Hitler's apprentice decides to attempt the process on himself with the help of the top Nazi scientist: Baron Zemo. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it!) with the Vita-ray technology completely missing, the red gas breaks down the tissue but it isn't able to be built back up sufficiently.
The subject emerges with much of the same boosted physical & intellectual abilities as Cap but is left with a horrifying, gory, "RED SKULL" in the place of his face...
Whatcha think?

 

[Rich Santoro]

But yeah, I think by avoding making Red Skull just a physical threat, it means they have to work harder to make him menacing in other ways: through his behaviour, his actions. It puts more focus on the performance by making him more of a cerebral opponent.

I would definitely like for him to be a cerebral threat... and I would not be upset if the Red Skull wore a mask to creat fear. I just see lots of opportunities to do some really cool stuff with the altered SSS

 

[Rich Santoro]

That is kinda similar to an idea that I posted some time back in the Super Soldier Serum thread:

I remember that post... and YES, I think that it is a very good idea. The SSS can become a very compelling component in the Marvel-movie-verse. The Red White and Blue elements would be a cool symbolism

 

[Webhead2006]

totally there is alot of ways things can go with red skull. I am sure they wont screw him up unlike what fox did to dr doom.

 

[Rich Santoro]

totally there is alot of ways things can go with red skull. I am sure they wont screw him up unlike what fox did to dr doom.

I may never recover from that...

 

[Triad]

Uggh...me too!

 

[Sparky]

Skull takes a bastardized version of the SSS, which causes the skeletal mutation (ala Blonsky in TIH... as seen with his protruding spine in the bathroom scene). So he starts out normal... then takes the formula stolen when Erskine is murdered (misisng the Vita-ray component)... and thus becomes the Red Skull. The formula induces madness, enhances strength beyond human (making it so that Cap defeating him is all the more impressive), and perhaps gains longevity from the formula.

I like this approach. Having the Skull as a super soldier makes him a more viable physical threat as well as a warped parallel to Cap.

For his actual role in the war, I think it would be cool if the Red Skull was at least partially based on Otto Skorzeny, the most successful commando of the second world war. Skorzeny was a cunning operative who masterminded a number of daring operations, as well as personally carrying out more than a few himself. I'd like to see the Red Skull as a schemer but also somebody who went in the field.

 

[Webhead2006]

Totally red skull has alot of potential and i havent been disapointed with any of the foes in the marvel studios films we have gotten so far. So i doubt skull will end up like doom/ or galatcus situations with the licensed out to other studios marvel films.

 

[Rich Santoro]

I like this approach. Having the Skull as a super soldier makes him a more viable physical threat as well as a warped parallel to Cap.

For his actual role in the war, I think it would be cool if the Red Skull was at least partially based on Otto Skorzeny, the most successful commando of the second world war. Skorzeny was a cunning operative who masterminded a number of daring operations, as well as personally carrying out more than a few himself. I'd like to see the Red Skull as a schemer but also somebody who went in the field.

That would be kick a ss. He would be a total villain with intellect, physical abilities, and an army at his command... an utterly evil, twisted and manical megalomaniac. Bring him on...

 

[Triad]

Yeah, I think it's important to show his evil intellect BEFORE he would get the SSS (if they decided to go that route) I wouldn't want it mainly blamed on the madness side-effect. He's a freakin' NAZI (!) and one of Hitler's TOP men, for that matter! He wouldn't have gotten that position if he was afraid of getting his hands dirty!

 

[Rich Santoro]

^

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not against the Red Skull having a deformed face due to an experiment or whatever, but like someone said, that can't be a crutch for why he is evil. He was afterall, a Nazi and a man close to Hitler. This can't be ignored.

The 616 version is the way to go. You can maybe make him a product of a Nazi attempt to replicate the Super Soldier serum (much like Hulk is in the movie universe), but that would be about all I would add to him. Doing that would at least make sense since other nations would try and replicate Captain America, and the formula was lost. Completely changing him to...whatever the ultimates did would be insane. It would be about as criminal as the grossly bad handling Dr. Doom got in the FF movies. You can't take a great villain, and make him completely unrecognizable and lose all the reasons he worked in conjunction with the hero. It makes for a poor character and poor film. The dynamic has worked in the comics all these years for a reason. Going for what is now would be a poor choice, and I doubt Marvel is going to do that. They have taken the right elements from the Ultimate verse and 616 verse in TIH and IM, so I have faith.

 

[Webhead2006]

he is more then likely going to be 616 take.

 

[Aztec]

I like the idea that most people react to the supersoldier serum the way that Blonsky does in TIH. They go mental (and I would definitely want Red Skull to be an evil Nazi already) and they become deformed (like you see Blonsky's spine growing out of his back). That would explain his appearance and his extra special viciousness.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i see no reason why if they do want red skull to be SSS too, Why he couldnt be an evil SOB already. Then the SSS just increases his attitude and all that to more crazy.

 

[Rage]

Could they not have a bastardized version of the SSS (like Blonsky in TIH) that not only warps his body (face) but his mind? That makes the most sense to me...and it ties into what Marvel Studios has already done.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Absolutley... He obviously would be a ruthless murderer already... but the formula would turn him utterly insane. He would progress from Amon Goeth (ala Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List) to a full on Hannibal Lecter (sans eating people).

 

[sabetoonth]

^^on that note, wat if they give him a mask made from a real skull!

 

[Rich Santoro]

That would be a nice touch... but it wouldn't fit. Skulls are on the inside after all, so it wouldn't really fit "over" a head as a mask.

But I am nit-picking... the design could be that the front of a skull is grafted to a mask.

 

[Webhead2006]

i am very curious to see if they will go deform face as a red skull or a red mask skull is wearing.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Tom Hardy for Red Skull

 

[sabetoonth]

if they have it made from a big skull or a cast of a real skupp with soem reshaping it could work

 

[Rage]

I kinda like the idea of the skull taking the bastardized version of the SSS and he either goes crazy and disfigures his own face... or the serum causes disfigurement. A mask just doesn't seem right to me... Or maybe he survives (after taking SSS knock off) a dose of an experimental chemical weapon that strips the flesh from its targets (like his skull smoke dust stuff in the comics)