Official JLA discussion thread - Part 2

[Spike_x1]

So it's okay to make Batwoman into bisexual and have her date Bruce Wayne? Okay.

This.
If it's fine to reveal that a straight character is bi, it should be alright to reveal that a gay character is bi.

 

[Mystirious]

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[Mystirious]

So it's okay to make Batwoman into bisexual and have her date Bruce Wayne? Okay.

I wouldn't boycott DC if they made Batwoman bi and had her date men

But I doubt I'd still buy Batwoman. The thought of Kate dating men gets a from me

Opposite sex romances in fiction bore me senseless with a very few exceptions

First of all, I'm gonna say much on the subject since this isn't the right thread, but evil lie? You can have an opinion but that's opinion is harsh and wrong. What are bisexuals? So a gay guy can't fall in love with a girl? If he does, he's bisexual, meaning that this "evil lie" is a notion that doesn't even exist.

If a man falls in love with a woman he's either straight or bisexual not gay

It's an evil lie that you can change someone's sexuality

Someone realising they are bisexual isn't changing their sexuality

Next, I think Drz said it best. Changing straight characters into bisexual is bad too. Not as bad as turning them gay just for the hell of it, but still bad.

No its not

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I have tenure

 

[Mystirious]

This.
If it's fine to reveal that a straight character is bi, it should be alright to reveal that a gay character is bi.

I agree

Well at least you feel the same way in both situations

Of course

I want more gay characters in comics but I won't compromise my principals for it

Changing a gay character straight or making a straight character gay would both be awful and gross

Leave that **** for bad fanfiction and fanart

 

[Mystirious]

I have tenure

It was a Spiderman reference. I was doing my best Jameson impression

I didn't think the joke worked in retrospect. Glad if i got a chuckle out of you

Seriously though I want to clear the air a bit and say I have nothing against you. I was when i thought you were serious about making Batwoman straight. Glad you were just kidding

I disagree with you that its bad to make straight/gay characters bisexual but I have nothing against you

I'm probably not going to fall in love with you

But your alright by me

 

[taskmaster]

How about we talk about the JLA? That would be cool. I'm personally interested if Johns keeps Morrison's idea about the New Gods being living ideas in regards to Darkseid. And of course, to see what the Martian Manhunter's role in the Justice League is, considering it's been confirmed that he's a member, possibly a founding member.

 

[Spike_x1]

Someone realising they are bisexual isn't changing their sexuality

How would that not be classified as changing a character's sexuality? From a writing perspective, revealing that a character is bisexual sounds exactly like changing a character's sexuality to me.

 

[Mystirious]

A gay character realising they are bi would not be the same thing as changing their sexuality in my opinion

And neither would a straight character realising they are bi

I see it as expanding their sexuality

Making a gay character straight would be changing their sexuality. And it would be bigoted and repulsive

And making a straight character gay would also be offensive. If a character likes someone of a certain gender that partly defines their sexuality

But it doesn't mean they cant like people of both genders

I hope that makes my feelings on this whole subject clear

 

[Mystirious]

How about we talk about the JLA? That would be cool. I'm personally interested if Johns keeps Morrison's idea about the New Gods being living ideas in regards to Darkseid. And of course, to see what the Martian Manhunter's role in the Justice League is, considering it's been confirmed that he's a member, possibly a founding member.

Yes let's

While i enjoyed Morrison's Final Crisis i prefer the New Gods as they were before it happened and I hope they are in their more classic forms

I want Darkseid as a big melodramatic stone guy in a mini skirt being all overly dramatic and spooky

 

[Spike_x1]

It doesnt contradict the characters past

A gay character becoming straight or a straight character becoming gay would both be stupid and offensive because it would suggest you can change someone's sexuality

Having them realise they're bisexual would not be offensive because it would not contradict or retcon their previoys same sex/opposite sex attractions

If a gay character said they were straight that would be disgusting because it would imply gay people should 'become' straight which is moronic and bigoted

A gay character realising they are bi would not be the same thing

And neither would a straight character realising they are bi

Let's use Batman as an example again. There's been no indication whatsoever of Batman being anything other than straight. Now imagine that a new writer comes along to suddenly reveal Bruce is interested in other men, even if he still likes the ladies as well. That writer has, for all intents and purposes, changed Batman's sexuality.

No, it might not contradict any past events, but it would still be an alteration made to a character's sexuality. The same as it would be if a gay character were made straight. In that instance, it might violate continuity, but it would be the same kind of character change.

 

[Mystirious]

Like i said I don't consider it the same thing

Making a gay character straight would make me boycott DC

Making a gay character bi or a straight character bi would not offend me so long as the story in which it was done was good

That's how i feel and all I have to say about it

I view making a gay/straight character bi as just expanding their sexuality. Many people identify as straight or gay before realising they are bi

Having a character suddenly go 'I'm straight' would be repulsive and bigoted

And I'm glad DC aren't moronic enough to ever make one of their gay characters straight.'Cause if they did i would boycott them forever

Now can we please talk about Justice League

I wanna know what everyone thought of Justice League Dark

 

[Godzilla2014]

Like i said I don't consider it the same thing

Making a gay character straight would make me boycott DC

Making a gay character bi or a straight character bi would not offend me so long as the story in which it was done was good

That's how i feel and all I have to say about it

I view making a gay/straight character bi as just expanding their sexuality. Many people identify as straight or gay before realising they are bi

Having a character suddenly go 'I'm straight' would be repulsive and bigoted

And I'm glad DC aren't moronic enough to ever make one of their gay characters straight.'Cause if they did i would boycott them forever

Now can we please talk about Justice League

I wanna know what everyone thought of Justice League Dark

I'd be against making any straight character bi, especially female characters. More likely than not, the characters would just become ****es.

 

[Mystirious]

Bisexuals are not '****es'

I am a bisexual woman and i am not a '****e'

 

[Godzilla2014]

Bisexuals are not '****es'

I am a bisexual woman and i am not a '****e'

I know that, and I never meant that. What I meant was that those characters would be written as ****es more likely than not.

 

[Mystirious]

For one thing ****es charge for their services which has always seemed terribly greedy to me

I've always seen the deed itself as its own reward

I know that, and I never meant that. What I meant was that those characters would be written as ****es more likely than not.

Glad to hear that wasn't what you meant

Dont really get what you mean though. Why do you think them being bisexual would make them be written as '****es'

 

[Supergirl]

Because likely they'd be written by white, straight males. White straight males think that because someone is attracted to both sexes means they will have sex with anything.

 

[Mystirious]

Because likely they'd be written by white, straight males. White straight males think that because someone is attracted to both sexes means they will have sex with anything.

Ah now I understand

Yep I would want their sexuality to be written well of course whether the character is gay straight or bi

No one wants stupid negative stereotypes least of all me

But there are writers who have shown they can write good gay and bi characters. Vaughn, Rucka Simone and Peter David all come to mind

As long as the characters have a good writer I wont be worried

 

[Godzilla2014]

For one thing ****es charge for their services which has always seemed terribly greedy to me

I've always seen the deed itself as its own reward



Glad to hear that wasn't what you meant

Dont really get what you mean though. Why do you think them being bisexual would make them be written as '****es'

I'm sorry for the confusion. As for the reasons behind why bisexual women would be written as ****s, that would be for the same reason that lesbian characters tend to be hot and date other hot women.

Because likely they'd be written by white, straight males. White straight males think that because someone is attracted to both sexes means they will have sex with anything.

This sums it up pretty well.

 

[Supergirl]

Ah now I understand

Yep I would want their sexuality to be written well of course whether the character is gay straight or bi

No one wants stupid negative stereotypes least of all me

But there are writers who have shown they can write good gay and bi characters. Vaughn, Rucka Simone and Peter David all come to mind

As long as the characters have a good writer I wont be worried

But we wouldn't likely get them, we'd get Scott Lobdel.

 

[Godzilla2014]

But we wouldn't likely get them, we'd get Scott Lobdel.

More than likely.

 

[Mystirious]

Lobdell is the devil

But just because there are some crummy writers who write lgbt characters doesnt mean we shouldnt have any gay/bi characters in comic books

I enjoy and prefer reading about lgbt heroes. And i can live with one or two crummy or lousy ones as long as we get good ones too

I want more lgbt herors in comic books. And as long as they are well written like Batwoman or Rictor and Shatterstar I will buy comic books with them in

 

[Compi716]

Opposite sex romances in fiction bore me senseless with a very few exceptions

Do you find most literature, films and practically every story ever told boring? Shakespeare is total dullsville, huh?

 

[Mystirious]

I'm sorry for the confusion. As for the reasons behind why bisexual women would be written as ****s, that would be for the same reason that lesbian characters tend to be hot and date other hot women.



This sums it up pretty well.

No need to apologise the fault was mine for being to quick to think the worst of you

So I apologise

Though the reason that hot lesbian characters in comics date hot lesbian characters isn't because of the gender of the writers. Its because all heroes in comics are 'hot'

I cannot think of any 'plain' or 'average' looking heroes. Even a lot of villains are quite hawt

Which is a whole other debate really regarding standards of beauty and what society labels as 'sexy' or 'ugly'

Which would probably drag this thread even further off topic

 

[Batman]

Guys, I hate to put a damper on things or seem like I'm coming down on your discussion... but this is the JLA thread. You can discuss this topic elsewhere. Mind steering the discussion back to the League?

Spoiler

(realizes Mystirious already said it)

Oh, sure, steal my thunder.