Official Man of Steel Trailer(s) Thread - Part 6

[The Shield]

Good gravy! I just downloaded Youtube on my PS3 and watch the trailer on my home tv... Glorious! I'm having a Geekout moment. haha

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, I love it when she calls him it in Superman TAS, I think she's talking to Perry & Clark at the time though and he's take aback by it. He talks to his parents saying he's not sure he can live up to the name.

 

[Nathan]

And in Lois & Clark she names him too, right?

 

[titansupes]

And in Lois & Clark she names him too, right?

Yeah, end of the pilot when he flies her into the Daily Planet.

 

[redhawk23]

Oh no you mean this this film bears a resemblance to another film that was adapting the same source material? Eee gads! What do you you mean Superman's origins are almost archetypal in our pop culture? How scandalous that this film may have similar content!

 

[Nathan]

Say what?

 

[redhawk23]

Happy 75 Anniversary Superman!

 

[4NutzinYoface]

Ok, will someone PLEASE tell me what's going on in that interrogation scene!??

I'm pissed at myself for being extremely thick because apparently I don't get it..does he rip one and cause that microphoem feedback? Is that why he says he's sorry? Someone explain this to me or I'll keep thinking that .. I don't wanna think that!

 

[Anita18]

Ok, will someone PLEASE tell me what's going on in that interrogation scene!??

I'm pissed at myself for being extremely thick because apparently I don't get it..does he rip one and cause that microphoem feedback? Is that why he says he's sorry? Someone explain this to me or I'll keep thinking that .. I don't wanna think that!

He's excusing himself to go fly-punch Zod twice.

Obviously won't play out exactly like that in the movie, but that's the "story" in the trailer.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Ok, will someone PLEASE tell me what's going on in that interrogation scene!??

It's been edited.

 

[ThePhantasm]

does he rip one and cause that microphoem feedback? Is that why he says he's sorry? Someone explain this to me or I'll keep thinking that .. I don't wanna think that!

Yes that is correct. Keep thinking that.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yep, nothing says 'Superman' like a fart joke.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Yep, nothing says 'Superman' like a fart joke.

I must admit, it did come across a lot like that when I saw it first ... but I just thought 'well that's obviously not what that means' and made logical assumptions...

 

[Andreth]

I find it funny and intriguing that he seems actually annoyed at the interruption.

 

[KalMart]

Yep, nothing says 'Superman' like a fart joke.

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[ThePhantasm]

Admirable sentiments but no.

Emotionally, you might associate the Williams music with Superman as you would his cape, but they are not the same...which isn't a knock on the Williams music at all. It is first and foremost a cinematic contribution starting with the Donner films, regardless of what it's been used for afterwards...a category which is perfectly eligible for changing for a new cinematic vision. You may elevate it personally to something beyond that, but that does not make it something else at its core. Resistance to change is your cross to bear, not the movies'.

There is absolutely nothing that requires any different Superman movie version from Donner's to maintain the music from Donner's movies. Nothing. No more than Nolan's Batman movies need the Burton movies' music. And ultimately, for the sake of establishing it's own movie identity, it's better not to even try. So again, as understandable as your feelings are, in reality the movies need to move on from the williams music. So enough with the Williams yada-yada, it's a non-issuewith these movies from now on. These are new films with new music, and that's how it should be, period.

But thanks for sharing anyway.

I haven't argued that they should keep the William's music for MOS, and had you quoted the rest of my comment you would have had to interact with that point. Instead you ignored it to slap a straw man about "the Williams yada-yada." I already stipulated that I'm not resistant to change. Come on, man, you can do better than that. you can do better than willfully misrepresenting my position.

In fact, you ignored the bulk of my post, including its central point.

Lastly, its easy to be well pleased with a new theme when one provides no standards for appraising that theme. I've provided the standards that I'd hoped Zimmer could meet, and indeed believed that he was capable of meeting. And no, I'll head you off at the pass (again) in case you missed it in my past posts: William's music is NOT that standard.

There's a phenomena in film scoring called the "temp track problem," which is when, in the process before the film is scored, a director gets overly attached to a temp track from another film that has been used for a scene in his film. He then demands that the actual composer mimic this track. Sometimes the composer pushes back and they go in a different direction (because, believe it or not, multiple musical interpretations can fit a single film! Egads!). Sometimes the composer is pressured into imitation, which ends with disasterous results (this was the reason why Elfman split from Raimi for a long time).

You guys have latched onto the trailer music as the only thing that would be appropriate for the film, when in fact there is a wide range of possibilities that I think would be better. Holding Zimmer to a higher standard isn't being change-resistant and refusing to admire what "works for the film," its wishing for something better that still works for the film. You are viewing the scoring process through an overly simplistic frame, one that causes you to immediately accept whatever Zimmer does as "right" because it is "best for the film," without any real standards for the music or critical appraisal of the music in light of those standards.

So, in conclusion, label me as a change-resistant Donner fanboy if you wish. You clearly haven't read my posts closely if you choose to give me that label. My argument about the Bond franchise wasn't that William's music should be used in MOS, rather it was pushback against your apparent notion that what Zimmer has done is the only thing that could ever be right for MOS. In fact, in this regard I think I am more "open" than you are. I'm open to the fact that Zimmer's musical philosophy in regards to this film could be dead wrong. I'm open to the fact that the film could be paired with a better score. And I'm still (as I've said repeatedly before on these boards since the trailer was released) open to the fact that Zimmer's score could still knock my socks off.

So there you have it. My true admirable sentiments.

 

[Crazymaverick]

Watched the trailer off and on at work yesterday, and then again a boatload more at home on my media player/TV last night on a loop.

My Superman 'uber-nerdiness' aside, this may be the best trailer I've ever seen in my 35 years!

Also happy 75th Superfans!

 

[KalMart]

Spoiler

I haven't argued that they should keep the William's music for MOS, and had you quoted the rest of my comment you would have had to interact with that point. Instead you ignored it to slap a straw man about "the Williams yada-yada." I already stipulated that I'm not resistant to change. Come on, man, you can do better than that. you can do better than willfully misrepresenting my position.

In fact, you ignored the bulk of my post, including its central point.

Lastly, its easy to be well pleased with a new theme when one provides no standards for appraising that theme. I've provided the standards that I'd hoped Zimmer could meet, and indeed believed that he was capable of meeting. And no, I'll head you off at the pass (again) in case you missed it in my past posts: William's music is NOT that standard.

There's a phenomena in film scoring called the "temp track problem," which is when, in the process before the film is scored, a director gets overly attached to a temp track from another film that has been used for a scene in his film. He then demands that the actual composer mimic this track. Sometimes the composer pushes back and they go in a different direction (because, believe it or not, multiple musical interpretations can fit a single film! Egads!). Sometimes the composer is pressured into imitation, which ends with disasterous results (this was the reason why Elfman split from Raimi for a long time).

You guys have latched onto the trailer music as the only thing that would be appropriate for the film, when in fact there is a wide range of possibilities that I think would be better. Holding Zimmer to a higher standard isn't being change-resistant and refusing to admire what "works for the film," its wishing for something better that still works for the film. You are viewing the scoring process through an overly simplistic frame, one that causes you to immediately accept whatever Zimmer does as "right" because it is "best for the film," without any real standards for the music or critical appraisal of the music in light of those standards.

So, in conclusion, label me as a change-resistant Donner fanboy if you wish. You clearly haven't read my posts closely if you choose to give me that label. My argument about the Bond franchise wasn't that William's music should be used in MOS, rather it was pushback against your apparent notion that what Zimmer has done is the only thing that could ever be right for MOS. In fact, in this regard I think I am more "open" than you are. I'm open to the fact that Zimmer's musical philosophy in regards to this film could be dead wrong. I'm open to the fact that the film could be paired with a better score. And I'm still (as I've said repeatedly before on these boards since the trailer was released) open to the fact that Zimmer's score could still knock my socks off.

So there you have it. My true admirable sentiments.

Cry me a ****ing river.....



New movie, new music. Take it or leave it.


I understand how you feel, as I love the Willams stuff as much as anyone. But I think it is also important to embrace moving forward with new stuff, and to give the new movies credit for doing so.

 

[The Shield]

My first thought was def not fart. My actual first thought was S:TM after the first transformation from clark to superman just before he takes off to save Lois.

My second thought during my next viewing was they edit/cut it for the trailer. I believe she will actually say Superman without interruption.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I understand how you feel, as I love the Willams stuff as much as anyone. But I think it is also important to embrace moving forward with new stuff, and to give the new movies credit for doing so.

Did you read my post? Because when you say the above I get the distinct feeling that you didn't...

Also, I don't give people credit for simply moving forward with new stuff. That's easy to do. I give credit for moving forward with good stuff.

 

[KalMart]

Did you read my post? Because when you say the above I get the distinct feeling that you didn't...

Yup, thanks for sharing.

And trust me, I'm intimately familiar with what you refer to as the 'temp' problem, and working around it.

Also, I don't give people credit for simply moving forward with new stuff. That's easy to do. I give credit for moving forward with good stuff.

Hopefully this'll have it. Enjoy.

 

[ThePhantasm]

What a frustrating conversation this was. Really not worth it at all. Meh.

 

[Kane52630]

Why did I read all of that just now?

 

[KalMart]

What a frustrating conversation this was. Really not worth it at all. Meh.

Oh c'mon...you can 'do better'. Or maybe not.

You're assuming wrong in a lot of it as well, but I get you overall.

Ok, will someone PLEASE tell me what's going on in that interrogation scene!??

I'm pissed at myself for being extremely thick because apparently I don't get it..does he rip one and cause that microphoem feedback? Is that why he says he's sorry? Someone explain this to me or I'll keep thinking that .. I don't wanna think that!

A lot of times scenes are rearranged in the edit for a trailer to manufacture some stings or punchlines that suit the trailer's timing and momentum...this is likely one of those instances. Apparently the joke was to cut off the 'Superman' from Lois with a little technical problem in the booth's PA. No real reason as to who did it of if Superman's controlling it...just a little gag to give the trailer that moment at the end. As for what's he really saying 'excuse me' to in the film, bunch of possibilities.

Or it might actually happen that way in the film and make more sense in full context.

 

[godisawesome]

I'm kind of hoping the interrogation scene plays out sort of like this: the military is trying to capture Superman(possibly because Zod's begun his attack), but he surrenders to Lois at least in part because he knows she's been tracking him. He then requests that he talk to her, they have their fun little talk/exposition piece, then the interruption Takes place and Superman basically walks out of the room to go save the world.