Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - - - - Part 13

[Persona]

i mean, seriously, the vast majority of reviews heap praise on Smaug, that's almost a point of positive consensus, even amongst some of the negative reviews of the movie. some of the issues involved in his scenes may bother some more than others, and i think that's why you see a few who are disappointed, but overall the movie's take on the dragon might still come out a win for you.

 

[terry78]

Sometimes you have to pat yourself on the back if no one else does.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Is that in reference to me?

 

[terry78]

 

[X Knight]

so is the consensus that this is better or worse than the 1st film?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Better.

 

[Octoberist]

I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment on Smaug. From what I've read, either it could be an exaggeration and it aint that bad. Or it could be the truth, and things sizzle.

 

[Octoberist]

I bet you that there will be a fan-cut of these movies. Cut them into two movies vs three.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm going to try to go into the movie with an open mind, but my excitement level has dwindled to somewhere around nil.

 

[Octoberist]

I'm still excited to a certain degree. It's one of those things where I cannot run back from battle. I've invested into the first one, might as well see the rest.

 

[Drz]

Cumberbatch's voice for Smaug is magnificent, it really makes him the Hannibal lecter of Dragons that Jackson proclaims he is, the design is wonderful and he looks really stunning, but again, when you make your antagonist into such an unfocused moron, it not only begs to question how did the Dwarves ever loose to him, but it makes his threats less serious.

Imagen if the Joker or Bane we're nothing more than braggers, but they could be just slapped in to their face because they we're so unfocused.

 

[ThePhantasm]

That's just sad.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'm going to try to go into the movie with an open mind, but my excitement level has dwindled to somewhere around nil.

Just imagine Tauriel searching you at the entrance to your theater (who cares why). You could drop the zinger "I could have anything down my trousers". Does that not spring your hype back up?

 

[Octoberist]

I do like reading about Tauriel and how her character does work. Mary Sue be damned. I think her crush on Kili is kinda endearing if that's done right.

 

[X Knight]

Better.

ok.

 

[Liam_H]

I do like reading about Tauriel and how her character does work. Mary Sue be damned. I think her crush on Kili is kinda endearing if that's done right.

Not really, it kind of doesn't really make sense unless she has had a thing for dwarves her entire life.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Just imagine Tauriel searching you at the entrance to your theater (who cares why). You could drop the zinger "I could have anything down my trousers". Does that not spring your hype back up?

Oh, absolutely. Few things make a story better than dwarven penis jokes.

"All good tales deserve a little embellishment." Oh Gandalf and his script-forced imprimatur for story alterations.

 

[Octoberist]

It's not? Was it done super poorly?

I really think something like that could work if the writing and directing is good enough; unless it feels like filler.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Cumberbatch's voice for Smaug is magnificent, it really makes him the Hannibal lecter of Dragons that Jackson proclaims he is, the design is wonderful and he looks really stunning, but again, when you make your antagonist into such an unfocused moron, it not only begs to question how did the Dwarves ever loose to him, but it makes his threats less serious.

Imagen if the Joker or Bane we're nothing more than braggers, but they could be just slapped in to their face because they we're so unfocused.

it seems, since stretching two films to three, they had to contrive another conclusion, which no doubt had to be ushered by a climactic epic battle, and it just so happened that Smaug's place in the story would be where it unfortunately would be. Since this extended setpiece is created, perhaps unnaturally as a way to segue into the conclusion, they seemingly made the amateur mistake of sacrificing established characterization for action, instead of blending the two, and tying the two elements together.

 

[Liam_H]

It's not? Was it done super poorly?

I really think something like that could work if the writing and directing is good enough; unless it feels like filler.

It just doesn't feel really that organic. [BLACKOUT]The dwarves are imprisoned for less than half a day and in that time Tauriel and Kili happen to share one conversation. After that it seems like she is extremely worried about him. They make it a point to show that Tauriel obviously loves Legolas and he feels the same. But for her to develop feelings for Kili so quickly doesn't make sense despite what Thranduil says. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Octoberist]

Damn. Again, I can't say much till I see the movie.

 

[Liam_H]

Don't get me wrong it isn't horrible but it isn't really that engaging either.

 

[terry78]

Well, the book itself is weird like that in that you have a couple parts where they're really big climaxes but then it winds down again to a slow pace then builds up again. That's just how he wrote it.

 

[Octoberist]

Yeah the book is episodic. Rightfully so, with each chapter you can read to your kid or something per night.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why wouldn't they just kill Smaug in this movie? Makes no sense. It would be the perfect climax to the second film.

The imbalance of how this story is being told boggles my mind.

Welcome to what I said last year. No one listens to me.