Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 15

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This movie's status as a (relatively) short tidying-up film indicates that there should have been two films rather than three. If we cut out all the bloated fan fiction, a single PJ-length movie would comfortably have told the whole story.

True, but I also think another problem with this prequel trilogy is how Jackson went way overboard with the CGI and action sequences.

I can see why Viggo favors the first two LOTR films out of the entire franchise.
 
ROTK is definitely the weakest of the first three. Somehow, the noise acts to diminish its scale. FOTR feels like a walk in the woods, while ROTK feels like a fight in a sandpit.
 
This movie's status as a (relatively) short tidying-up film indicates that there should have been two films rather than three. If we cut out all the bloated fan fiction, a single PJ-length movie would comfortably have told the whole story.

Even if Jackson cut out all of his extra material I still dont think a single 3 hour film would have been enough. Sure it could have been done but the cutting and condensing would have been excessive. And I doubt the end result would have been the most satisfying thing.

I think the page count of the Hobbit fools a lot of people. Sure its short. But the reason its so short is because Tolkien summarized a lot of the scenes and action in that book. The page count of that book is very deceptive when you start looking at the story and the size of the set pieces and story beats. Its a simple story but it actually covers a lot of ground and unless you want a film that spends about 5-10 minutes in each location and reduces the Battle of the Five Armies to a 10 minute skirmish I dont see any way of doing it in one film.

Even Del Toro thought two films was ideal. They tried going the one film route and having a bridge film, but then they dropped the bridge film and decided on two Hobbit films because they didnt see a way of doing a satisfying single Hobbit film.

But like I said I dont think a single film was impossible, but it was not ideal and it is the opposite extreme of what we've got now. Instead of people fussing about excess we'd have people fussing about there not bwing enough of this or that and character's like Beorn being cut among other things. Two films was the perfect middle ground.

That being said, Im hoping that once BTFA is out and all 6 films are watched together they function well.
 
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Got an email notification that my EE Collectors set from Amazon should be delivered next Wednesday (so a week after I was originally expecting it).

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Picking mine up in about a half hour. :D Don't mean to rub it in Silver lol
 
Even if Jackson cut out all of his extra material I still dont think a single 3 hour film would have been enough. Sure it could have been done but the cutting and condensing would have been excessive. And I doubt the end result would have been the most satisfying thing.

I think the page count of the Hobbit fools a lot of people. Sure its short. But the reason its so short is because Tolkien summarized a lot of the scenes and action in that book. The page count of that book is very deceptive when you start looking at the story and the size of the set pieces and story beats. Its a simple story but it actually covers a lot of ground and unless you want a film that spends about 5-10 minutes in each location and reduces the Battle of the Five Armies to a 10 minute skirmish I dont see any way of doing it in one film.

Even Del Toro thought two films was ideal. They tried going the one film route and having a bridge film, but then they dropped the bridge film and decided on two Hobbit films because they didnt see a way of doing a satisfying single Hobbit film.

But like I said I dont think a single film was impossible, but it was not ideal and it is the opposite extreme of what we've got now. Instead of people fussing about excess we'd have people fussing about there not bwing enough of this or that and character's like Beorn being cut among other things. Two films was the perfect middle ground.

That being said, Im hoping that once BTFA is out and all 6 films are watched together they function well.
Man I still hope the film doesn't feel rushed tho. I can see cutting unimportant things to focus on the battles. I just hope there's a ton of footage for the extended version
 
Loved it. Really cool.

Got chills with the "Leave Sauron to me" by Saruman
 
Very well done trailer. Finally something epic in scale to get the masses into the theaters. It definitely looks and feels very Lotr like in The battle scenes.
 
The trailer shows exactly why they should have killed Smaug in the last one. The only will be a weird tacked on starter.
 
Just can't get excited for this film even after that trailer.
 
In the trailer it looks like Thranduil attacks Tauriel with a sword.:csad:

I noticed that too, but I really don't think Thranduil kills her. If he does tho...Legolas better take him down!:argh:
 
In the trailer it looks like Thranduil attacks Tauriel with a sword.:csad:
On the IMDb boards people are saying he cuts her bow with his sword (or an arrow that she has pointed at him?)
 
Does anyone have a clue where Legolas and Tauriel are when he says "These bats where bred for war." And what is that red building?

Kili screaming "I will not hide while others fight our battle for us!" gave me cold chills.
 
The trailer shows exactly why they should have killed Smaug in the last one. The only will be a weird tacked on starter.

Yup. Smaug is going to feel like an afterthought. It's going to be pretty jarring.

Trailer did nothing for me and I don't get any pleasure in saying that. If you'd told me a few years ago that I'd be apathetic about a freakin Hobbit film, I wouldn't have believed you.
 
Looking good, hope this movie continues the trend and is better than its predecessor
 
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