Official The Ultimates Thread

[iloveclones]

First off, if he were a samurai, he would suck. Not just a little, not just a lot, but suck like my twin sucks. You know? That nasty ****ty ****e who'll bang a guy because his car is red.

Yeesh, that's harsh.

By the way, I don't have a red car, but spray paint's cheap. Would that suffice?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

You have more than four keys on your keychain? She'll go down on that simply THINKING you might be important somehow.

That, or tell her you'll buy her a drink somewhere down the line of life, and demand an advance payment on it.

 

[iloveclones]

Four, huh?


Gimme a second......

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Keys to locks like your school locker lock work too.

 

[Horrorfan]

Ult. Cap's personality rocks. Totally kick ass, take no ****. He's the last person I would want to **** with (aside from hulk, naturally).

 

[Darthphere]

Ult. Cap's personality rocks. Totally kick ass, take no ****. He's the last person I would want to **** with (aside from hulk, naturally).

I ask you to please not go into the whole "Nobody has spines today" rant.

 

[Horrorfan]

our mentality of today is more or less "Wait and see how things develop" mentality. He's extremelly non-passive, and that pisses some people off obviously, since most people have adapted an extremely passive and tolerant idea of the world since his time.
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And that way of thinking let North Korea get nukes

Not that I'm saying diplomacy isn't the right awnser, nine times out of ten, it is. But nowadays seems like everyone is deathly afraid of taking action, no matter how badly it's needed, and when they do, it's for the wrong reasons.

 

[Horrorfan]

I ask you to please not go into the whole "Nobody has spines today" rant.

Since you asked so nicely, I will refrain from pointing out the obvious.

 

[iloveclones]

Keys to locks like your school locker lock work too.

Well, I left that behind a long time ago. But I have some keys at work that nobody seems to know what they're for. I can shine 'em up real good!

 

[chris moore]

and... the thread loses track again. I'm all for these "OFFICIAL SUCH AND SUCH" threads to keep form having four threads on the same topic. But sometimes a newcomer can trawl through five pages straight of ranting about off topic things.

So, to get back on track. Given the idenpendant nature of the Ultron Robot when Hank told them to help the Ultimates, does anyone think that means soemthing for down the line? Remember that Millar's time on the series is over, so it may just be a nod or something with no editorial intention of making a villain of the robot.

Or, alternatively, back to Cap - does anyone think that Cap being wrongfully arrested by his own people, then seeing how a large portion of the rest of the world sees how America treats them and the lengths they'll go to will change his attitude to blindly following orders and pushing his "action first think never" approach?

 

[The Question]

Since you asked so nicely, I will refrain from pointing out the obvious.

......never mind.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

And that way of thinking let North Korea get nukes

Not that I'm saying diplomacy isn't the right awnser, nine times out of ten, it is. But nowadays seems like everyone is deathly afraid of taking action, no matter how badly it's needed, and when they do, it's for the wrong reasons.

I don't think it's nearly that bad. I don't think (Standby for political plug in) that it's America's place to tell anybody what they can and cannot have. Not their job, and nowhere near "superior" enough for them to have such judgement. But that's just me. I agree in taking an "aggressive" approach, but I also feel a "careful" approach should also be made, since a purely aggressive approach instigates a conflict.

Either way, back on topic.

 

[CConn]

Actually, the Middle Eastern guy didn't surrender really. He just sat there and insulted him. I'll agree that was slightly execution-esque, and was totally unecessary, and probably would have found, in a real world situation, a Captain America in the brig waiting for review.

However, this Cap is not a thug. Bully? Sure, to some extent. Anybody with large amounts of power is destined to become some form of bully or another. But I wouldn't say he's all out.

I've already said how kicking Bruce was unecessary, and it was, but the Hulk DID just trash a good chunk of town and kill hundreds of people that Cap has sworn to protect.

Though I don't agree with the method, he beat up Pym for beating up Pym's wife, which was, back then, considered fairly virtuous, as he was basically handing out justice. But he, by no means, stole Janet from Pym. Janet, being the ****e she probably is like every other female in the Ultimates Universe, went to Cap.

He confronted Thor in a fairly innappropriate manner by just going out in public like that and yelled at him, but the other option was skulk around and avoid the subject forever until Thor came to them. Or I guess you would have preferred the "honorable" way of tricking him into the wilderness or something. Thor is ALWAYS around his followers, and spreading his word. Chances are the only way to talk to Thor at all was the large scale attack they DID later in that series. So the yelling at Thor thing was actually fairly fine, since the circumstances were fairly sensitive. And he wasn't shamed into leaving really, since Cap wasn't looking to smash his face in and was really only there to confront him with these circumstances. And granted, if someone told ME that some Asgardian trickster god did all these things, I'd probably think him crazy too. Any rational person would. That's why they call it rationality, and not faith.

Flame thrower on Thor? I don't know. Because it totally made sense to me that a small discus to the head would've worked tons better against a raging mad attacking superhuman considered to be the most powerful in the world by SHIELD. And judging how Thor has a high level of durability that involves getting in fights with the Hulk and come out without scars? I'm thinking a flamethrower just wasn't going to do much.

And if you think the 616 Cap is super high moral and high road type, you can also think again, as he does tons of behind the scenes work, not to mention instigated fighting on a large scale with the Civil War, when doing a political stand would've worked far better and quicker.

But hey, who knows? People just like biased arguments.

Ultimate Cap is a soldier. Pure and simple. Does what he's told, and holds up his moral beliefs. Not yours, definitely not mine, and not Tony Stark's or Thor's or anybody elses. Just his and his alone. Which is basically IDENTICAL to the moral structure of Cap in the 616, only Cap in the 616 will more frequently question his orders from time to time.

Exactly.

Everyone gets so hung up on somehow representing 616 Captain America in The Ultimates...Ultimate Cap isn't 616 Cap. I mean, Ultimate Cap is supposed to be a flawed hero - as you pointed out very well - 616 Cap isn't. And thusly, while they're similar, they can't really be held up to the same standard. IMO, at least.

 

[Kahoot]

I sit alone with a table and a chair
So unhappy there
Playing solitaire

All by myself I get lonely
Watching the clock on the shelf

I'd love to rest my weary head on somebody’s shoulder
I'd hate to grow older
All by myself

 

[Horrorfan]

I don't think it's nearly that bad. I don't think (Standby for political plug in) that it's America's place to tell anybody what they can and cannot have. Not their job, and nowhere near "superior" enough for them to have such judgement. But that's just me. I agree in taking an "aggressive" approach, but I also feel a "careful" approach should also be made, since a purely aggressive approach instigates a conflict.

Either way, back on topic.

Two things.


I do agree that it's not really the USA's place to meddle in a lot of world affairs,,,,but people like Kim Ill and North Korea having nukes is NOT good for anyone. It will make Iran want nukes even more, make Japan and South Korea want to go nuclear, cause china and the west to get antsy and really puts that whole area in a huge amount of danger.

Second, why are people *****ing about politics coming into a political comic? That's like asking people to refrain from talking about the situation in v for vendetta, and kinda misses the point of the whole comic and situations. It's MEANT to make you think and talk about this stuff. If you don't like it, don't read the comic or don't discuss it. Easy. Most people here have thought about their viewpoints, even if I don't always agree with them, and I don't want to be banned from discussing it because some guy can't understand how it figures into the discussion.

 

[iloveclones]

The reason people are so knee-jerk upset about it, is because some posters in the past have used the comic as a springboard to vent about everything that's discussed on conservative talk radio, even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the comic. Personally, I love a little political discussion (what goes on Limbaugh's, Savages, O'Reilly's, Franken's shows don't qualify in my opinion). When I see some, I'll join in. I haven't yet.

 

[Horrorfan]

The reason people are so knee-jerk upset about it, is because some posters in the past have used the comic as a springboard to vent about everything that's discussed on conservative talk radio, even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the comic. Personally, I love a little political discussion (what goes on Limbaugh's, Savages, O'Reilly's, Franken's shows don't qualify in my opinion). When I see some, I'll join in. I haven't yet.

The thing is, since cap is a metaphore for all of america, especially in this comic, it opens up to all kinds of political avenues, so it can get a little messy I guess.

I will say this though: Bill O'Reilly is clueless.

 

[chris moore]

Its just that the political issues that come up after a couple posts become rants unrelated to the ones the comic raises, and the characters and plot lines get left behind (except for Cap's character as a poster boy for Americas politics, which then veers off to politics in general again). We're here to discuss the comic, what we think will happen to the characters, what we think someone meant by what they said, how well Hulk's fight was portrayed by Hitch, what the fate of the Black Widow is (mush for brains, dead, temporarily incapacitated) and whether everything Tony learned from downloading her brain also includes Hanks true involvement - that kinda stuff. Some posters just go a bit off the rails sometimes.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I gotcha chris.

One thing I really didn't like about the last issue was the Hulk/Abomination fight. First, Abomination lost like 3 feet of hight between this issue and the one before it. Then, Hulk basically destroys him in a mildly-irritated state. I expected much more out of that fight. :

 

[celldog]

I think its hilarious that captain Assh*le, I mean Captain America responds to captain Iraq's (can't remember his name) statement about "being executed" by saying "thats not what we do in THIS country" or something along those lines.. and then like two pages later Captain A executes captain iraq like a total hypocrite.

How so??? At the point Cap said that, Abdul was down and hadn't attempted to cut off Cap's head while being held down by Abdul's henchmen...thus cheating!!! Abdul went back on his word. I guess Cap can do the same. You guys are always trying to make America the bad guy. LOL


The best thing about the ultimates is the artwork, action and Millers total piss take of Captain america and the american military.
The storylines and dialogue are mostly average to meh.

Btw way this issue was really lousy. All that build up and miller just pissed it all away in this issue. I mean c'mon. The bad guys just fell apart (ultimate abomination dead WTF?? Thought they'd aleast save him for the soon to be ultimate hulk series or something. He went out like total *****). The pacing for the action was atrocious. The only thing saving this issue was the artwork and the fact that theres a final issue left in this arc that might just save this volume. Might.

I call him Captain Jihad.......and you call him Captain Iraq??? And no one jumps out to correct you?? Isn't your name for him kinda' "prejudiced" to assume that he's Iraqi??

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I've been calling him Colonel Al-Qaeda

 

[celldog]

I've been calling him Colonel Al-Qaeda

Methinks there is a double standard against Celldog. t:

 

[Colossal Spoons]

His attempt to behead Cap didn't help him though lol.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Is it Millar that makes the books late or Hitch? I'm up for Loeb's take on The Ultimates after reading Superman/Batman but Joe Mad!

I believe its Hitch that makes the book late.

 

[Darthphere]

Its both.