Official The Ultimates Thread

[CaptainCanada]

http://www.thexaxis.com/misc/ultimates31.htm

Paul O'Brien weighs in on the first issue, and it's pretty grim:

Reading this issue, I couldn't help imagining people in the Marvel offices gathering around the pages in horrified silence, with a clock ticking ominously in the background. They must know. They surely can't have deluded themselves into thinking this is any good.

Ultimates 3 is bad, very bad. I'd go so far as to say it's shockingly incompetent. Even after suffering through "Evolution", I was still prepared to regard that as a weird anomaly from an experienced writer. I read this thing, and then I sat there in silent disbelief.

 

[FatalEnergy]

meh, first issue wasnt very good, but I'm still pretty optimistic about it. the second issue should hopefully be better and explain things.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

meh, first issue wasnt very good, but I'm still pretty optimistic about it. the second issue should hopefully be better and explain things.

Yes, because that happens all the time.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

loeb needs to work with sale again, that when he's at his best.

 

[El Bastardo]

The problem people have with this issue is, unfortunately, unsurprising.

It's the same thing that happened with Loeb's arc on Wolverine, which I still contest was a good story, intelligent, and entertaining.

"Boohoohoo, wah wah wah, it doesn't make sense right away from the start!"

Yeah, that's right. Apparently most readers now want everything given to them on a nice, shiny silver platter right away, at the get-go, so they can follow it like it's a pretty little easily-followed line.

...Except not all writers write like that anymore, and it's fairly obvious that Loeb is in a phase where he's not writing in a necessarily linear or linear-clarification manner.

Not that anyone will give it a fair shot, anyway.

Oh well, it was a fine, entertaining read. Jarring, yes, but note the lack of judgments until the story has completed. And the art was freakin' great.

 

[TromaFreak64]

The problem people have with this issue is, unfortunately, unsurprising.

It's the same thing that happened with Loeb's arc on Wolverine, which I still contest was a good story, intelligent, and entertaining.

"Boohoohoo, wah wah wah, it doesn't make sense right away from the start!"

Yeah, that's right. Apparently most readers now want everything given to them on a nice, shiny silver platter right away, at the get-go, so they can follow it like it's a pretty little easily-followed line.

...Except not all writers write like that anymore, and it's fairly obvious that Loeb is in a phase where he's not writing in a necessarily linear or linear-clarification manner.

Not that anyone will give it a fair shot, anyway.

Oh well, it was a fine, entertaining read. Jarring, yes, but note the lack of judgments until the story has completed. And the art was freakin' great.

I agree.

The main critiques I am seeing are because things aren't explained - EVERY LITTLE THING isn't explained in the first issue... oh no... what will we do? Seriously though guys, its a 5 issue arc for a reason, if it was supposed to all be told in 1 issue it would be stand alone.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Just read #1. Loved the story and the art; Ultimate universe haters be damned

 

[El Bastardo]

There's the Spoons I love so much.

Come here, my past-life brother.

 

[Anubis]

I felt Loeb should have taken the Corporate Superheroes route. I mean, they've tackled the American Super Imperialism thing, now is the time to take it to the Corporate fat cats. Stark funds the Ultimates and therefore, runs them technically. Stark has shareholders, evil shareholder Justin Hammer or somebody takes control of the company, takes control of the Ultimates. The rest writes itself. People quit, some stay for the fat paycheck, Rival team started up, blah blah blah, Stark butt rapes Hammer, takes control of company back, then just give the book to Ellis for two more volumes or whatever.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

There's the Spoons I love so much.

Come here, my past-life brother.

I even loved the ridiculous target on Clint's head!

 

[GNR]

Just read #1. Loved the story and the art; Ultimate universe haters be damned

I went in with low expectations and was pretty entertained.I wouldn't say I loved it,but it's far from the "trash" people are calling it.

The Ultimates 2 HC is just sitting here in front of me still wrapped up.Damn finals keeping me occupied.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I need to buy the v2 hardcover

 

[GNR]

http://www.thexaxis.com/misc/ultimates31.htm

Paul O'Brien weighs in on the first issue, and it's pretty grim:

x-axis..pfft

 

[PhotoJones]

I need to buy the v2 hardcover

You need to drop these crappy Ulitmate books and start reading some good comics, son.

 

[Mogwai]

what would those be?

 

[PhotoJones]

There are literally too many to list.

 

[Kahoot]

Don't do the whole list, just some examples.

 

[El Bastardo]

See, PJ, this is why I only mostly love you.

But Spoons should buy the Ultimates 2 hardcover, yes, and he should read Iron and the Maiden too.

All of you should.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Which Ultimates titles should be dropped?

All of them.

 

[PhotoJones]

Don't do the whole list, just some examples.

Okay. These comics should be purchased before ever purchasing an Ultimate book:

Captain America, Daredevil, Immortal Iron Fist, The Order, New Warriors, Avengers: Initiative, DMZ, Scalped, Fell, Thor, Scott Pilgrim, Atomic Robo, Punisher MAX, Checkmate, Punisher: War Journal, Doktor Sleepless, Black Summer, Loveless, 100 Bullets, Fables, Faker, Suburban Glamour, Hawaiian Dick, Fear Agent, BPRD, Infinite Horizon, The Spirit, Lone Ranger, Hellboy, Sorrow, Mouse Guard, Resurrection, Wormwood, Nova, Invincible, Graveslinger, Blue Beetle, Lazarus, Astounding Wolf-Man, Lobster Johnson, Loners, Black Diamond, Dynamo 5, Brit, Casanova, Incredible Hulk, The Programme, Proof, The Secret History, The Killer, Northlanders, X-Factor, X-Men, Zero Killer, Iron Man, Annihilation Conquest, Elephantmen, Runaways, Umbrella Academy, The Sword, Local, Crawl Space and Detective Comics, among many, many others.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I thought you forgot Dynamo 5, I was gonna get all beligerent.

 

[PhotoJones]

It's there.

 

[Kahoot]

Captain America

They stil doing Captain America books even though he's dead?

 

[PhotoJones]

Yes they are. And they're still awesome.

 

[Kahoot]

But aren't they kinda missing the main star? Doesn't that just prove he'll be back?