Official The Ultimates Thread

[squeekness]

While a lot happened... it just felt like nothing happened.

Yeah, I agree. Things seemed a bit...jarring ... to me as well. I didn't like this issue as much as the previous runs. I hope things get better. Loved the art, though.

 

[DoomJester]

I will third that motion.

A lot happened-- the characters were so completely different that I had to re-read it again to figure out who these people were. It is upsetting because Ultimates (2) is one of my top five comics, but it is ultimately refreshing because it felt brand new. And in the end, as long as I don't compare it to U2 I think will like the U3 characters. The ending was different. [BLACKOUT]I don't buy Pietro not being able to rush her to the hospital or even apply some pressure or to the wound but w/e.[/BLACKOUT] The art works in its own way, I like it a lot more than I thought I would.

Not a lot happened-- people fighting about stuff we don't even know what they are fighting about, the heroes hate each other (again? Wasn't that volume 1?)-- that's new in comics. I've never seen angsty characters before.

Has Loeb given some interviews about the series? I read a short IGN one, I know he is playing around with the idea that a lot of time has passed between U2 and U3. But has he said anything else? Will there be a U4? Or is going to kill everyone except say, Cap and Thor and say that he is awesome? [BLACKOUT]Also, what happens to Valkyrie? Solicits for 2 say "Valkryrie vs Thor?" So will she stay on the team or will she be next up for death or something to make the series more "awesome"?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Xplicit Content]

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the obvious choice would be Hawkeye, as he's apparently gone f**king nuts...but I dont think Loeb would do something that obvious...

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Still haven't gotten the issue, but some are saying Magneto...hence the bullet that changes direction.

 

[DoomJester]

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I don't believe it is Hawkeye, Loeb said he really liked the character, and I don't know, something about that statement says that it really means Hawkeye's power-levels and abilities are going way up, and that he will be the hero. Magneto is a good choice, but look at those bullets, they seemed special, that just isn't what bullets look like, so it could be someone else.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

the art was interesting but the colouring really let it down and made a lot of pages hard to look at.

i knew it was always joked that old wanda and petrio were a bit f**ked up but it was still a serious what the hell moment

about the death

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i'm betting on the whole magneto angle, seems to be the most logical.

though it still may be a bit more of a inside job.


what i'm surprised about is no one hasnt mentioned it yet. the doc at the end if thats not thor its a hell of a red herring

 

[PhotoJones]

I've seen several of your posts on here "Photojones" and my oh my do you talk about donkey balls alot, I mean ALOT.

Actually, I just did a search, and this was the only time I've ever used "donkey" and "balls" together in the same sentence (other than this one).

 

[chris moore]

I couldnt believe Pietro actually thought he'd caught the bloody bullet! Spose panic will make you a little unedged though.

Don't know why Tony is being all aloof considering his upbeat attitude at the end of volume2. Don't know why Cap is hardly around given his "The Ultimates have to do good outside of the military" attitude at the end of volume 2. Don't know what Hank's level of involvement is or how he was let out of confinement at the end of volume 2. Don't know how Wasp is being the team leader as she has shown no leadership abilities like her 616 counterpart.

A lot we dont know that could be interesting if, and only if, its actually explained rather than dismissed by Loeb as "about three months have passed since the end of volume 2, and a lot has happened to our team"

 

[DoomJester]

A lot we dont know that could be interesting if, and only if, its actually explained rather than dismissed by Loeb as "about three months have passed since the end of volume 2, and a lot has happened to our team"

He said that he would, but he wanted to start off with the team as it is now so that anyone could jump in and read it, and that through the five issues you'd see why things changed. That's what he said, hopefully he will follow through with that.

 

[Valorman]

I'm sorry, this was a terrible read. the dialog felt so utterly childish, in fact the entire BOOK felt silly, with little "controversies" thrown about to make the plot seem edgy and adult. i mean, who thought saying "EAT THIS" was anything BUT cheesy and ridiculous in ANY context? except maybe a porno. but that's another post entirely.

 

[ShinNatsume]

I'm sorry, this was a terrible read. the dialog felt so utterly childish, in fact the entire BOOK felt silly, with little "controversies" thrown about to make the plot seem edgy and adult. i mean, who thought saying "EAT THIS" was anything BUT cheesy and ridiculous in ANY context? except maybe a porno. but that's another post entirely.

well, thats discussionable. i liked the art and the writing. the coloring on the other hand...

im sure we will get all the answers we need, come time. i came to the conclusion that unlike 616, marvel does not try tos crew this up...

 

[AngryBadger]

Seems like Loeb is writing the characters as though they were in 616 not the Ultimate U. Since when is Ultimate Venom so chatty?
Hawkeye's dialogue was just.....awful, and why is Wasp suddenly the leader of the team? And the sex tape? Felt like Loeb was just dropping in sensational moments to grab the reader, (as usual), didn't like it at all. Liked Madeurira s (or however you spell his name) new uniform designs and stuff, but the art was crap in this issue, probably because of the lousy colouring.

I dunno, seems crap, I probably won't bother picking up the rest of this, particularly given that he's bringing Sabertooth back. WHich is BS, one of the reasons I like the Ultimate U. is that it's not the regular 616, and Sabertooth has remained very dead in the Ultimate U.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I liked the Witch's costume. I liked how they're incorporating Bullseye and Hawkeye kind of like I thought (he has the same ability set). Buuuuut all in all, I didn't really enjoy it.

I liked seeing the Panther, buuuut, nothing going on there.

And is that Valkyrie the same Valkyrie Pym was banging?

 

[November Rain]

from what i saw joe's art looks cool

 

[PhotoJones]

I liked most of what I saw when I flipped through it. That Black Panther splash page was pretty bad, though.

 

[CaptainCanada]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=4831279#post4831279

First issue sells out and gets a reprint.

 

[Brian Braddock]

First issue 'sells out'.

Oh, the irony.

 

[squeekness]

It sold out at my shop too. Thank god for pull lists.

 

[GNR]

It's a decent start,but I'm not holding my breath for a return to form in the next 4 issues.

 

[Xplicit Content]

Ok, so I finally read issue 1. I figured it wouldn't be as bad as people made it out to be...I figure it's natural considering the change in creative teams...a lot of people are gonna jump ship...the test is gonna be to see how many new readers they can pick up to compensate. A few things...

Wasp issue: She definitely doesn't look the way Hitch drew her...but I guess nobody MAD draws looks like they did in the previous 2 volumes. I don't necessarily think MAD didn't get the memo that Jan was Asian in this universe...I just think this is the way MAD draws Asian women. In the first panel without her mask (the one where she says Wanda and Pete are in love), she actually looks Asian...and then the rest of the panels seem open to interpretation. The hair plays a part...but I guess all women dye their hair different colors, Wasp included. Wanda also went from black hair to brown...gotta admit I preferred the black. All in all, the character designs were definitely 616-esque...but MAD's art is gorgeous, so I'll take it.

As for characterization; Didn't like Hawkeye's reaction to the porno. The woman did just murder his family...he showed more annoyance than animosity, but the man is mentally unstable...I guess his weird reaction could stem from that. Stark being upset over Widow didn't bother me...he did almost marry the chick. Although he seemed over her in the last volume, you can argue he was just showing a false bravado. It's still early, but Valkyrie/Thor can either be really funny or really corny...I'm waiting to see how the relationship pans out. Not sure about Thor's speech...hoping all will be explained in the coming issues. Not happy about Wanda's death, but looking forward to a good murder mystery...so much was wrong about that doctor...why does it seem like the mouth to mouth was used for a specific reason? Almost seemed like he was ingesting her blood.

 

[Anubis]

I wonder who they're gonna get after Loeb does his two volumes. Once the Joe Mad stuff is done with, (whenever that is) Ed Mcgunisses stuff should go much faster.

 

[SenseiofCheese]

I also had a slight problem with Hawkeye's characterization, but like Xplicit said that could be chalked up to trauma.
I could've done without explicitly stating that Pietro and Wanda's relationship was incestuous but it didn't bother me any.
The only real problem I had with the issue was the coloring, which I thought was kind of muddled and made things confusing as hell.

 

[TromaFreak64]

Seems like Loeb is writing the characters as though they were in 616 not the Ultimate U. Since when is Ultimate Venom so chatty?
Hawkeye's dialogue was just.....awful, and why is Wasp suddenly the leader of the team? And the sex tape? Felt like Loeb was just dropping in sensational moments to grab the reader, (as usual), didn't like it at all. Liked Madeurira s (or however you spell his name) new uniform designs and stuff, but the art was crap in this issue, probably because of the lousy colouring.

I dunno, seems crap, I probably won't bother picking up the rest of this, particularly given that he's bringing Sabertooth back. WHich is BS, one of the reasons I like the Ultimate U. is that it's not the regular 616, and Sabertooth has remained very dead in the Ultimate U.

This is honestly one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen in SHH history.

Sabertooth stayed dead in Ult. universe after his head was cut off??? I didn't think so, but thanks for prentending to read the comics.

If your point was to say that death is ususally more permanent, then I am sorry because that is one of the reasons I liked Ult. universe at first - but it's easy to say part of that is because the universe is relatively new and only time will tell what will really happen, but don't specifically give an example that contridicts your opinion.... That was just silly

 

[SpandexFan]

Now that most titles worth reading these days have their own trade paperbacks, I usually stick to that medium. I find it more enjoyable to read all six volumes instead of waiting month to month for what feels like a ten page story. However, sometimes I love a certain title so much, I can't wait and pick up the comic book. Ultimates 3 was one of those rare exceptions and I'm pretty disappointed with what I found.

-- The entire opening premise feels like a rip-off from the 616 Avengers Disassembled storyline. Even down to the dark art style. Maybe a little opening New Avengers feel? For whatever reason, it doesn't have The Ultimates feel.

-- Venom suddenly jumping into their headquarters and creating a typical wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am fight is the best they could come up with to get us started?

-- As others have stated, they felt the need to spell out Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch's wierd relationship? Sometimes, it's best just to leave things unsaid, and let us theorize on our own. It's like the horror film director who doesn't realize not showing us the menace is more scary than showing it in all its detail.

-- Thor is suddenly not so cool. I don't fault them, though, the mystery surrounding him was taken away when we finally discovered his true origin. Maybe they just should have left him out? Some of his "thoust" lines seemed like typical garbage from some of the worst Thor storylines ten years ago.

-- Not much reading. A big reliance on art, which I felt was pretty darn impressive, but reading the Millar dialogue is what drew me in to the other Ultimates.

Blah. It doesn't look promising if this is what we have to go on. I will say one thing, though, I liked the Iron Man/Black Widow sex tape. It felt "Ultimate." A departure from the norm we see in the regular Marvel titles, and more realistic like most of the Ultimate versions of Marvel characters, I might add. With all the celebrity sex tapes that make their rounds in the age of the internet, it's only natural that in a superhero world where they enjoy celebrity status, they would encounter the same problems. However, combined with the details of Quicksilver & Scarlett Witch's relationship, and the sudden death, it all seemed a little overboard, like they were going for shock value, because the story wasn't there. I was also happy to see Black Panther included in The Ultimates, and I'm assuming the mysteries of Captain America trusting him and knowing him the best, while everyone else is in the dark, will make for a compelling storyline somewhere in this run.

I suppose I'll end this one feeling the same way I did after watching Terminator 3. My old favorites are back, it was entertaining at times, but it just didn't feel as classic as the predecessors.

 

[Havok83]

Is this the Ultimate line or 616? What is up with the new character designs? Scarlet Witch looks exactly like her 616 counterpart now. Why does she and Wasp now have red hair? Wasp doesnt even look asian anymore. Overall great issue though. Art was amazing and its good to see MAD back at Marvel

 

[Kahoot]

No, PJ, not you. I mostly love you.

I meant the comic thief.

It's Joe Mad...

I'll get the TPB when it's out anyway.