Official The Ultimates Thread

[Dr Doom]

I'm telling you, that's NOT Red Guardian, Red Guardian is dead, he died in the Ultimate Nightmare mini. That's ultimate Wonder Man! Why do you think that he had his back turned to us during the entire issue, until the last page when we finally see that big "W" on his chest, huh?

I ALREADY ANSWERED THIS. THE RD GUARDIAN CAP KILLED IN ULT. NIGHTMARE WAS A CLONE. CAP SET IT UP TO THROW FURY OFF TRACK.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I ALREADY ANSWERED THIS. THE RD GUARDIAN CAP KILLED IN ULT. NIGHTMARE WAS A CLONE. CAP SET IT UP TO THROW FURY OFF TRACK.

There have been two Visions so far...I do not see the problem. However, I agree with question that its arabian knight...its not like they are going to have him dress like he used to

 

[The Question]

Exactly. Although, I must say, that is one pimping sword right there.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Well yeah, but truthfully, there's NO resemblance at all between Crimson Dynamo and Dynamo... aside for the color red...

Hmm... I didn't notice Abomination's tail in the book itself... is it possible then, that this is Dragon Man?

Likely if Russia is involved its Abomination who was Russian

 

[The Question]

Yeah. But then, that's four confirmed Russians. Perun, Natasha, Crimson Dynamo, and the Abomination. The Russians must REALLY hate us.

 

[Cyclops]

Yeah, I still think he's Abomination, but I was just commenting on the tail I hadn't noticed before.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah. But then, that's four confirmed Russians. Perun, Natasha, Crimson Dynamo, and the Abomination. The Russians must REALLY hate us.

Actually I took Politics of Russia...and yes, yes they do

 

[The Question]

Well, it makes sense. We were enemies with them for over 40 years. Even with a shift in polotics, that kind of hatred doesn't die easily. Especially since they've gotten the short end on the stick in alot of ways.

 

[jaydawg]

You dont have to take politics of russia to know that.

 

[Cudzo]

well, from normal marvel continuety, there was one russian guy who turned into a bear. that abomination looking fellow could also be him

 

[Cudzo]

it will be intersting to see who represents who though in this particular group. I think that all those millions of flying soilders were chinese.. we know someone in that group has got to be russian.. we assume that the crimson dynamo ( the only guy we have a name for so far besides Loki) is russian, but in the Ultimate universe, maybe not..

 

[celldog]

Well, it makes sense. We were enemies with them for over 40 years. Even with a shift in polotics, that kind of hatred doesn't die easily. Especially since they've gotten the short end on the stick in alot of ways.

How has Russia gotten the short end??

 

[TheSumOfGod]

My dad (old school Marvel geek) thinks that they took over America way too easily, and that it's all probably nothing more than a reality-manipulation on Loki's part, just to see if he could do it, and that either way, Odin is bound to intervene eventually to set things straight.

 

[celldog]

I think the woman in white (bootom right side) is from the same country as the guy in red. They both are probably Arabs. But both have that "fist" [/B]emblem. None of the others do.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

How has Russia gotten the short end??

After the end of the Cold War, the Russians were waiting for America to send billions in humanitarian aid, to help restore their country's collapsed economy. The billions never came, and now the mob controls everything.

 

[celldog]

My dad (old school Marvel geek) thinks that they took over America way too easily, and that it's all probably nothing more than a reality-manipulation on Loki's part, just to see if he could do it, and that either way, Odin is bound to intervene eventually to set things straight.

I agree! We're talkin' 3000 miles of country??? Come on!!

 

[The Question]

How has Russia gotten the short end??

Their economy's in the crapper, they have major organized crime problems, and their government's a bit of a mess.

I think the woman in white (bootom right side) is from the same country as the guy in red. They both are probably Arabs. But both have that "fist" [/B]emblem. None of the others do.

Mabey. Or the woman i white might just be black. She looks like a speedster, and thus could very possibly be Spitfire.

 

[The Question]

I agree! We're talkin' 3000 miles of country??? Come on!!

Well, if it's a coolition of several countries, I could see it. China has a huge army (most desnly populated country on Earth). That, combines with Russia, possibly North Korea, and possibly Iran or Saudi Arabia, and you have a huge invasion force. Besides, it looks like it was only the major cities that got took.

 

[celldog]

After the end of the Cold War, the Russians were waiting for America to send billions in humanitarian aid, to help restore their country's collapsed economy. The billions never came, and now the mob controls everything.

Who's fault is it that they had a collaspsed economy?? They chose communism over capitalism. They chose to oppress their own people for all those years. They built that wall to keep their people in behind the iron curtain. They almost started wwIII in 1962.....tried to take over Afganistan in the '80s. And they still aren't trust worthy now. You don't help a snake. He'll still bite you.

But do you know why the "billions" were not sent?

 

[The Question]

Dude, we promised to help them. The U.S. has always made it a polocy to help the enemy get up off their feet if they happen to fall. It's actually a really good polocy, because afterwards they're less liley to be your enemy. And they didn't choose to opress their people for all of those years. Really, Stalin was the worst of it. Most of the other crap was the aftermath of Stalin. Also, the only reason they aren't trustworthy now is because we screwed them over when they needed us most.


Oh, and also, the U.S. helped build the wall, since we controled west Berlin and they controled East Berlin.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Precisely. America didn't keep it's promises, and just let them sink into oblivion out of spite.

 

[The Question]

Which is why holding vendettas is never a good thing.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Which is why holding vendettas is never a good thing.

You mean like blowing up Nagasaki after Hiroshima? Or completely fire-bombing German towns after the end of hostilities? Or going after Saddam Hussein because he tried to kill your daddy?

 

[The Question]

Yeah, Nagisaki was overkill, wasn't it? But then, I think it was that Japan refused to comply after we blew up Hiroshima. As for the fire bombings, yeah, we're *****. And the Saddam thing, well, yeah, that wasn't the smartest move either.

 

[demento]

well, from normal marvel continuety, there was one russian guy who turned into a bear. that abomination looking fellow could also be him

Ursa is a mutant in 616, as is Vanguard and Darkstar. And I don't think any of the 'Antimates' are mutants, judging by the way Perun (Hammer/Sickle guy) addressed Quicksilver as "mutie" before he zapped him.