Official The Ultimates Thread

[deemar325]

I was thinking the Arab looking guy in red was the 'Red Skull'.

 

[The Question]

No. I still think he's a PCified Arabian Knight.

 

[deemar325]

No. I still think he's a PCified Arabian Knight.

It's possible,but can Millar pass up the Irony?

 

[The Question]

What irony?

 

[deemar325]

What irony?

Maybe I used the wrong word, but the oppurntunity to create a Red Skull who's an Arab and "terrorist" with a valid point of view?

 

[The Question]

Mabey. But that kind of takes away from Cap's and The Skull's ddecades long rivalry.

 

[deemar325]

Mabey. But that kind of takes away from Cap's and The Skull's ddecades long rivalry.

I feel that way also, but I find this possible Ultimate rivalry to intriguing. It has caught my attention especially since I was in Iraq and it has me on edge (in a good way.)

 

[The Question]

True. But still, there's just something special about an arrogant nazi assasin who has made Captain America his sworn enemy simply because he can't stand the thought of anyone being better than him.

 

[deemar325]

True. But still, there's just something special about an arrogant nazi assasin who has made Captain America his sworn enemy simply because he can't stand the thought of anyone being better than him.

Ok you got me, ol'Johann is a wicked bastard. The only thing that could be better is him riding on top a Nazi Dinosaur.

 

[The Question]

Exactly. The only real ultimate thing they could do with him is make the reason he's still young all these years later less of a coincedence, and mabey tweak his mask a bit.

 

[deemar325]

Exactly. The only real ultimate thing they could do with him is make the reason he's still young all these years later less of a coincedence, and mabey tweak his mask a bit.

I like his face being a crimson mutilated mess. Maybe he coul be an precusor to Cap and the supersoldier serum, it's possible look at the fact our rocket and nuclear technology basically came from German scientists.

 

[The Question]

Well, in the Captain America movie (which sucked), he was the origional super soldier. The procedure was nimperfectr, and ended up mutilating him. The same scientist then defected to the states and made Cap. However, I prefer him just being a normal (yet highly skilled) person who wears a red skull like helmet. You could have his wanting to destroy rogers stem from the fact that, no matter how good Johann is, cap is still super human and thus will always be better.

 

[The Question]

Well, in the Captain America movie (which sucked), he was the origional super soldier. The procedure was nimperfectr, and ended up mutilating him. The same scientist then defected to the states and made Cap. However, I prefer him just being a normal (yet highly skilled) person who wears a red skull like helmet. You could have his wanting to destroy rogers stem from the fact that, no matter how good Johann is, cap is still super human and thus will always be better.

 

[deemar325]

I almost forgot about that god awful movie *shudders* I would like to see a RS who's an equal physically to cape, up the mayhem.

 

[The Question]

I'd rather see him being a skilled fighter who isn't Cap's physical equal, but uses phsychological warfare to even the playing feild. Like, I had this idea for an issue of an Ultimate Captain America comic set in WWII where Cap is on a Submarine, The Red Skull snuck aboard, and The Red Skull had been stealthily killing everyone on the sub from the shadows until only he and Cap were left, so Cap would be so angry at The Red Skull that he wouldn't fight with a clear head.

 

[deemar325]

I'd rather see him being a skilled fighter who isn't Cap's physical equal, but uses phsychological warfare to even the playing feild. Like, I had this idea for an issue of an Ultimate Captain America comic set in WWII where Cap is on a Submarine, The Red Skull snuck aboard, and The Red Skull had been stealthily killing everyone on the sub from the shadows until only he and Cap were left, so Cap would be so angry at The Red Skull that he wouldn't fight with a clear head.

"Q" now that's a good idea for a 'What if?' type story! Let's hope no one steals this idea.

 

[The Question]

Well, I think it would work for an Ultimate Cap mini. Also, a few other ideas I had was to have him have lead a team of superhumans not unlike The Ultimates called "the Invaders". Of course, back then, the number of superhumans was much smaller, so what suoerhumans that stepped forward signed up with the military to fight the axis. And, I thought it would be cool if, in an Ultimate Cap mini series, maxi series, or even ongoing, the entire thing was told in flashback with Cap recounting his rookie years to Hawkeye, Nick Fury, and other memebers of the Ultimates at various times.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

I still think it's Wonder Man. I mean, why else would he have a big "W" on his chest? :confudes:

 

[demento]

I still think it's Wonder Man. I mean, why else would he have a big "W" on his chest? :confudes:

And if he had an "S" on his chest, would that make him Superman?

Please.

Some characters see significant makeovers in their UU incarnations but Simon Williams attacking the US as part of some Super Evil Axis is a ridiculous stretch, even for you. He's from New f##king Jersey for chrissakes.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

And if he had an "S" on his chest, would that make him Superman?

Please.

Some characters see significant makeovers in their UU incarnations but Simon Williams attacking the US as part of some Super Evil Axis is a ridiculous stretch, even for you. He's from New f##king Jersey for chrissakes.

Hey, Dr. Doom is now a Belgian billionnaire daddy's boy named Van Damme, so...

 

[The Question]

I thought it was Romania. And anyway, that's not as drastic as Wonder Man being a middle eastern super soldier.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

I thought it was Romania. And anyway, that's not as drastic as Wonder Man being a middle eastern super soldier.

Instead of being an Avenger, he's an ANTI-Avenger, simple as that.

 

[The Question]

Still, it seems far more drastic than what they did to Doom. I mean, at least Ultimate Doom had the same personality. The red guy seems nothing like Wonder Man in that regard.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

What else would the "W" stand for?

 

[demento]

I'm not 100% sure that's even a "W." It looks like it might be an eagle icon or somesuch...