Official The Ultimates Thread

[El Bastardo]

Like the Ultimates and Nick Fury haven't been all over everyone else's books.

... And? If Bendis uses Fury, SHIELD, or the Ultimates members in an issue of Ultimate Spidey, or when Vaughan used SHIELD, Fury, and the Ultimates members in his grand finale "Magnetic North," they're usually integral parts of the story. Well, hell, I don't much like Bendis, and don't read Ultimate Spidey, so take that with a grain of salt. Just seems like the case from the issues I've flipped through. And it was the case with "Magnetic North."

My position is that the Fantastic Four and X-Men getting dropped and contained wasn't an integral part of that Ultimates issue. It was sufficient to make a realistic mention of it through dialogue, and not show them going down, just as it was sufficient to show Thing and Spidey in cuffs rather than show how they got there.

 

[ang_hulk]

yeagh, but as soon as they aproached Xavier would have known and made them go back or hide the Mansion or something.

how can you hide in a pile of bricks and broken lumber? not being sarcastic but they mentioned that is was a pile of junk as well as the baxter building,now look again,thing in cuffs,I think he can break them,I also think he is drugged and I KNOW that hes an idiot so mabey he would rather walk with cuffs on then see one of the people hes in line with be killed,you dont knwo if they threatend that or not you know? mabey sues hooked to a bomb or somthing.spider-mans not worth explaining.Jean,again,if she was knocked out shes just as human as you are and you cant break cuffs,now keep in mind she could have head trauma or have been drugged,I highly doubt with all the info they had on these people they didnt think of how to contain each and everyone of them and again,abominations a big threat and mabey thing would rather stay there in cuffs and wait for a good time to break out then be killed by that monster.

 

[samurai black]

... And? If Bendis uses Fury, SHIELD, or the Ultimates members in an issue of Ultimate Spidey, or when Vaughan used SHIELD, Fury, and the Ultimates members in his grand finale "Magnetic North," they're usually integral parts of the story. Well, hell, I don't much like Bendis, and don't read Ultimate Spidey, so take that with a grain of salt. Just seems like the case from the issues I've flipped through. And it was the case with "Magnetic North."

My position is that the Fantastic Four and X-Men getting dropped and contained wasn't an integral part of that Ultimates issue. It was sufficient to make a realistic mention of it through dialogue, and not show them going down, just as it was sufficient to show Thing and Spidey in cuffs rather than show how they got there.

Effective for moving the story along, yes. But sufficient storytelling. No. It's a discredit to the characters that they were taken out seemingly quicker than the president was. It's just a shame when writers take characters not in their titles and abuse/depower them.

 

[supermarvelman]

I personally think that if I was commanding the Liberators I would make the Super-Heroes a higher priority than the President, and they would be taken out quicker than the President. Cause in the comic-universe the president doesn't have that big of an impact. What could the President offer that the Super-heroes or Nick Fury cant, and they took Nicks ass out too.

 

[samurai black]

I personally think that if I was commanding the Liberators I would make the Super-Heroes a higher priority than the President, and they would be taken out quicker than the President. Cause in the comic-universe the president doesn't have that big of an impact. What could the President offer that the Super-heroes or Nick Fury cant, and they took Nicks ass out too.

I meant the effort it took to find and bring down air force one was covered in the book, while the takedown of the FF and X-MEN wasn't. Total disrespect.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I didn't get this issue yet but weren't the Crimson Dynamo and the Abomination sent to take care of each respective team? I can see The Crimson Dynamo having th technology to get through the Fantastic Four and the Abomination going through the X-men with sheer force. Hell, I can see the Hulk going through the X-men with sheer force...Remember, Wolverine wasn't at the mansion during the attack.

I dunno about all that. Jean alone, with her crazy Phoenix powers would probably stop them both at the same time if they tried. And don't even talk about the living plot device Magician.

 

[LEX]

Great issue. It's action-packed with twists.

Thor gets a message in his cell. Human-sized Wasp stings her enemies and it's five-hundred-times more painful. Thor escapes from his cell (I bet he's gonna come save the day in the end). Dubya lost his wife. Seriously. It's just awesome how Bryan Hitch draws real-life characters like Bush and Shannon Elizabeth. He's an amazing artist.

I spotted Thing, Colossus, Iceman and Spider-Man crossovers. Nice. Hopefully, we'll see them kick asses. Hawkeye and Wanda reunite with Cap and Wasp. Iron Man hovers higher and higher into space to get his "Iron Man Six" suit.

The robots wreak havoc outside the White House. A man, not showing his face, stands in their way. One of the robots steps on him, squashing him. Oh, yes. It's...Bruce Banner! And the Grey Hulk. Finally, it's 'bout time. It hit me out of nowhere.

Bruce: "Sorry, gentlemen. I'm going nowhere. I didn't travel five thousand miles just to get pushed around the second I got back to my own damn country.

That's the way. Just keep coming if you want to meet him..."

Grey Hulk: "You watching?

One hand.

NOW BRING IT ON!"

Grey Hulk rocks.

I hate it when they end issues with cliffhangers. It just leaves me wanting more. I must have patience.

I can't wait to see the return of "Iron Man Six", Thor and Quicksilver. Second wave!

read it

How many issues are there?

 

[ang_hulk]

I think they got the jump on the x-men and dont forget,there are psy inhibitors in the ultimate U so you never know,those grunts have helmets that could utilize said tech not to mention abom being able to toss her room a few miles,I put it at surprize and perfect preperation and mabey some kind of gas.

 

[supermarvelman]

I meant the effort it took to find and bring down air force one was covered in the book, while the takedown of the FF and X-MEN wasn't. Total disrespect.

It was there for a laugh, like the comedy relief in an action movie.

 

[supermarvelman]

I dunno about all that. Jean alone, with her crazy Phoenix powers would probably stop them both at the same time if they tried. And don't even talk about the living plot device Magician.

This probably takes place before all that stuff.

 

[Artistsean]

how can you hide in a pile of bricks and broken lumber? not being sarcastic but they mentioned that is was a pile of junk as well as the baxter building,now look again,thing in cuffs,I think he can break them,I also think he is drugged and I KNOW that hes an idiot so mabey he would rather walk with cuffs on then see one of the people hes in line with be killed,you dont knwo if they threatend that or not you know? mabey sues hooked to a bomb or somthing.spider-mans not worth explaining.Jean,again,if she was knocked out shes just as human as you are and you cant break cuffs,now keep in mind she could have head trauma or have been drugged,I highly doubt with all the info they had on these people they didnt think of how to contain each and everyone of them and again,abominations a big threat and mabey thing would rather stay there in cuffs and wait for a good time to break out then be killed by that monster.

I agree about the the heroes not breaking out to stop more death. What I was saying about Xavier hiding them is that he can cloud their minds. When they are aproaching making them not see the mansion. Make them see an empty field or something, or just make them attack each other or turn around. He has the power.
I was just really hoping to see some of the villians get their butts handed to them when they tried to apprehend some of the heroes like trhe X-Men. I mean yes they are kids, but they are kids with laser canons that can destroy mountains for their eyes.
But I guess the fighting will come later.

Does this eem like a culmination or a gigantic send off for the Ultimate Universe? i know its not, but they are getting every character involved in this huge battle. feels like they are trying to go off with a bang, I know they aren't cuase there is a part 3.

 

[ang_hulk]

no it wasnt,I think they ran out of room and realized with all these late issues it had to be skipped,IF they dont show it by the end of the run im dropping the book.It isnt fair to tell us the baxter building,one of the biggest building in the city is now a pile of very expensive ruble and the x-mansion,safe haven for all mutants is a smoking heap then just skip it through the books,atleast show it in ult ff and xm for godsakes.I think its wise that sue wasnt in cuffs,I bet she was conisderd but shed have more of a chance to escape,she prolly went invisible the minute the attack started,heck they might have been in one of the sub levels and ben and jonny being stuborn and stupid went to see what happend while reed and sue stay in a safe room which im certain the building had.with jean,mabey thats why shes in cuffs,she tried to stop them but the minute she saw a few thousand angry flying men she lost it,hesitated then got smacked into a wall.

 

[supermarvelman]

well maybe it will be covered next issue. We'll see in 4 months

 

[Artistsean]

Maybe thats what they will do, show all the missed stuff.
it will be called Ultimate War: the Untold stories, and show all the fighting that we didn't see like Spider-Man and X-Men.

 

[ang_hulk]

I agree about the the heroes not breaking out to stop more death. What I was saying about Xavier hiding them is that he can cloud their minds. When they are aproaching making them not see the mansion. Make them see an empty field or something, or just make them attack each other or turn around. He has the power.
I was just really hoping to see some of the villians get their butts handed to them when they tried to apprehend some of the heroes like trhe X-Men. I mean yes they are kids, but they are kids with laser canons that can destroy mountains for their eyes.
But I guess the fighting will come later.

Does this eem like a culmination or a gigantic send off for the Ultimate Universe? i know its not, but they are getting every character involved in this huge battle. feels like they are trying to go off with a bang, I know they aren't cuase there is a part 3.

I was to,seeing the grunts digging through the broken walls only to find somthing a little harder then BOOM colosuss steps out of the ashes.I think they have anti-psy helmets,that or just as all this was they didnt expect it,the way i read it is they hit the super humans before shield and the city,theres not enough time for them to have done it then got back after the city attack to re group as far as I can tell BUT there is alot against this,for instance,the attack on the city seems very sudden and the people dont seem to realize whats happening until the dynomech starts firing on the traffic so mabey the x-mansion being beyond the city(and to anyone who knows the greatest threat to most of the libs and the operation) got hit first then the baxter building.I think some of us are under estimating strenth in numbers,there are atleast 20000 of those grunts,all with the power of the country captains and there set on killing not defending and whats more driving is that they will be dead soon so they give it there all knowing theres no looking back,thats a pretty powerfull feeling for a pretty powerfull menace.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Am I the only one having a logistics problem with Hulk wearing jeans?

 

[demento]

Am I the only one having a logistics problem with Hulk wearing jeans?

My girlfriend wears those stretchy DKNY jeans. Maybe those are the new and improved version...

 

[TheSumOfGod]

"Hulk's pants are too tight! HULK ANGRY! Now Hulk's pants even tighter! HULK ANGRIER!!!"

 

[Red]

Great issue

 

[Savage]

I dunno about all that. Jean alone, with her crazy Phoenix powers would probably stop them both at the same time if they tried. And don't even talk about the living plot device Magician.

Didn't Hulk take Mjolnir to the face several times and say it only made him horny?

The Magician I think would be a bother though but he's a rookie. Before he even tries anything he'd get a tail to the face.

EDIT: Besides that, can you imagine getting into the mind of beasts like that. The psychics would scream and pass out with blood trickling down their noses.

 

[samurai black]

Well, we can always hope to see what really went down when the Liberators took out the FF and X-MEN, but besides that i think it will be interesting to see what happens to Ult Hulk after saving the world (TWICE!!!!) I don't see them trying to arrest or bring him in bc he's now got at least some sense an won't be fooled. And i can't imagine he'd want to be part of the ultimates anyway after they lied to him and tried to blow him up. Maybe this starts an Ult Hulk solo series.

 

[Artistsean]

What I am wondering is who this effects his status as a criminal? He killed over hundreds and was sentenced to death. They used him to save everyone, in secret, during the alien invasion. And now he has returned to save everyone again, along with Thor and Iron Man. Everyone now knows he is alive, but he also is saving America. Will they still consider him a wanted criminal?

Also I can't wait till next issue, last issue seemed like it was a build up to issue 11 where I thought all the ultimates were going to strike back hard. But it seems like its just an inbetween issue. (not that its a bad issue)
10- Ultimates were nearly taken down, but it seems like they are fighting mad and ready to fight.
11- Ultimates getting ack on their feet.
12-maybe they will finally strike back with a vengance.

 

[samurai black]

What I am wondering is who this effects his status as a criminal? He killed over hundreds and was sentenced to death. They used him to save everyone, in secret, during the alien invasion. And now he has returned to save everyone again, along with Thor and Iron Man. Everyone now knows he is alive, but he also is saving America. Will they still consider him a wanted criminal?

That is the question. I would say yes, the govt. would still view him as a wanted murderer and i guess you can say escaped convict bc he did escape his death sentence. I wonder what this does to Nick Fury's reputation as it's no longer a secret the Hulk's not dead. I'm guessing in Ult W vs Hulk, logan finds out that Banner is now in somewhat control and shouldn't be held accountable for his prior actions (This of course after a huge throw-down). The rest of the ultimates see this different milder hulk and don't want to pursue him. In the aftermath, he's given sufficient cover to slip away and become a nomad.

 

[Artistsean]

What I was imagining for how the Hulk got there, from Ultimate Wolverine versus Hulk, right in the middle of their monsterously huge battle Wolverine gets a call from Nick Fury on his communicator
(or a call from Xavier, maybe thats what he was doing when the Liberators attacked)
and he calls to the Hulk, and tells him the situation.
Banner and Logan return home to help out, and thats when he turns into the Hulk and destroys a giant robot.

 

[Savage]

I think that the second Hulk/Wolverine battle destroys his sanctuary or he does something to make them reject him orrrr....hmm...he is told that he is okay now or that he will never be able to truly contain the beast within...Those are just my theaories since they're only on issue 2!

Either way, I think he comes back on his own free will and Wolverine just wakes up from being knocked out and returns home to find this crap and helps in the rescue/rebellion.