Official UFC Thread - Part 7

[B]

Not trying to be mean, but yes

Well nor am I either to be fair & if it came across that way Darth I apologise, but trying to argue that carrying more weight in a physical activity has no effect on how quickly you fatigue is 100% inaccurate.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Carrying additional weight hurts it even more. If you want a practical test to help understand the science behind the theory, go do 3 sets of 20 wide grip pullups. Wait 1 whole day, then go do the exact same but this time strap a 5kg-10kg plate around your waist.

Once you've done that, then come back to me & try to argue that the one without the weight was equally as draining as with the weight.

Conor isn't carrying "extra weight". He is basically fighting what he re-hydrates up to. Conor puts on a lot of weight before fighting at 145, upwards of 15 pounds, maybe more. It is why he looked like a skeleton and why many speculate he might not actually be able to get back down to the weight. You could have used this argument for the first fight (he just ate a lot), but not this fight.

Jonny Hendricks is the perfect example. He has always killed himself trying to get down to 170. It has got to a tipping point where he can't do it anymore, and he still tries. And as he does, he looks like a shell of his former self. One of the most famous examples is of course Roy Jones, who after putting on the muscle to fight at HW, couldn't get back down to LHW without losing himself.

And heck we can go farther on this very card and look at Rumble, who was looking worse and less physically able at 170 and 185 then he is at 205.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Well nor am I either to be fair & if it came across that way Darth I apologise, but trying to argue that carrying more weight in a physical activity has no effect on how quickly you fatigue is 100% inaccurate.

Here, here. never trying to be mean. Just want to understand someone else's perspective. Good of B to state that

 

[TheVileOne]

Nate Diaz is a degenerate thug. I don't mind that he lost.

 

[B]

Conor isn't carrying "extra weight". He is basically fighting what he re-hydrates up to. Conor puts on a lot of weight before fighting at 145, upwards of 15 pounds, maybe more. It is why he looked like a skeleton and why many speculate he might not actually be able to get back down to the weight. You could have used this argument for the first fight (he just ate a lot), but not this fight.

Jonny Hendricks is the perfect example. He has always killed himself trying to get down to 170. It has got to a tipping point where he can't do it anymore, and he still tries. And as he does, he looks like a shell of his former self. One of the most famous examples is of course Roy Jones, who after putting on the muscle to fight at HW, couldn't get back down to LHW without losing himself.

And heck we can go farther on this very card and look at Rumble, who was looking worse and less physically able at 170 and 185 then he is at 205.

When Conor fights at FW he doesn't re-hydrate back up to 170 in 1 night. There's weeks of dieting that goes into getting him into a range in which he can simply shed the remaining weight by water lose safely. I think it was before the Dennis Siver fight he was doing a Q&A or something of the like & he said he was 160 & that was about a week out from the fight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because you're talking nonsense.

Losing weight naturally is good. Cutting weight is bad for your body. Fasting and gorging is bad.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3607973/

Despite conflicting evidence, most studies indicate that weight loss decreases both aerobic and anaerobic performance. While aerobic performance impairments have been attributed to dehydration, decreased plasma volume, increased heart rate, hydroelectrolytic disturbances, impaired thermoregulation and muscle glycogen depletion [30],

It isn't nonsense.

 

[TheVileOne]

Cutting weight destroys your body and doesn't improve your cardio or performance.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

When Conor fights at FW he doesn't re-hydrate back up to 170 in 1 night. There's weeks of dieting that goes into getting him into a range in which he can simply shed the remaining weight by water lose safely. I think it was before the Dennis Siver fight he was doing a Q&A or something of the like & he said he was 160 & that was about a week out from the fight.

And Canelo says he doesn't gain 20 pounds before fighting at 154, but he won't let anyone weigh him night of. Because they do this. Conor is extremely large for 145. He dwarfs guys. Even if he hydrates up to 155, are you suggesting that it wouldn't be better for his body to fight at 155 without cutting weight as opposed to doing so? Because it has adverse effects on your aerobic performance.

Joe Rogan after the fight was perplexed by the question as well, because he did not understand why Conor thought it would be better for his gas tank. And I bet it is because Rogan knows how the weight Conor puts on after cutting.

Also you said I was speaking nonsense, and yet avoided the examples I gave you. Why?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Cutting weight destroys your body and doesn't improve your cardio or performance.

I thought this was fairly obvious, but apparently I am speaking nonsense.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Here, here. never trying to be mean. Just want to understand someone else's perspective. Good of B to state that

Do you think dehydration results in better physical performance?

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Trying to give Diaz round 2 (where he was knocked down) for a 30 second flurry is beyond generous.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Do you think dehydration results in better physical performance?

You didnt answer my question about your athletic background??

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You didnt answer my question about your athletic background??

Because it is irrelevant. Your stance is RWL adds to endurance. The majority of medical science disagrees.

You and B are acting like Conor didn't go out there at what he usually fights at after he eating a hell of a lot of crap to re-hydrate. He didn't. This is what he weighs on fight night, minus the physical exhaustion of cutting a lot of weight.

So how does that help him with endurance?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Conor talking about not being excited about fighting Aldo, says he'll see. This is code for, "I can't make 145 anymore". I have been saying it for months. This whole thing is about moving up, because he can't cut the weight anymore. It is why he wants the next fight at 155.

 

[TheVileOne]

I thought this was fairly obvious, but apparently I am speaking nonsense.

Daniel Cormier almost died cutting weight for the Olympics and was not able to compete about 10 years ago.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Daniel Cormier almost died cutting weight for the Olympics and was not able to compete about 10 years ago.

I vaguely remember this story, but I would need to look it up. All I have to do is look at Johny Hendricks. Dude looks like death warmed over every fight now. The opposite of Rumble who has moved up 35 pounds and has never looked physically better.

A 21 year old fighter in the Philippines died from weight cutting last year:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...h-weight-cutting-yang-jian-bing-mma/77143446/

 

[Poetic Chaos]

I love how Rogan goes the entire Cerrone fight complimenting his move to 170 only to have him challenge the 155 champ.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love how Rogan goes the entire Cerrone fight complimenting his move to 170 only to have him challenge the 155 champ.

That was funny. I feel like Cowboy looks more solid physically at 170 (look how big his arms are now), but I also think he fears having a long line to wait in, while at 155 the title shot might be open.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Because it is irrelevant. Your stance is RWL adds to endurance. The majority of medical science disagrees.

You and B are acting like Conor didn't go out there at what he usually fights at after he eating a hell of a lot of crap to re-hydrate. He didn't. This is what he weighs on fight night, minus the physical exhaustion of cutting a lot of weight.

So how does that help him with endurance?

you not answering is the same as answering. I know

 

[DarthSkywalker]

you not answering is the same as answering. I know

No, you changed the topic, acting as if I haven't been a professional athlete that changes the research on the topic. You did this because you can't answer the question of how RWL increases endurance. I have explained my point and posted links to support the argument. You haven't done any of this, and continue to bring up an irrelevant argument.

Now, one last time, can you please explain how RWL increases endurance, or are you going to continue to troll?

 

[LoganGambit87]

Cutting weight destroys your body and doesn't improve your cardio or performance.

so does carrying extra weight to not your optimal weight class

 

[Shawn Wayne]

No, you changed the topic, acting as if I haven't been a professional athlete that changes the research on the topic. You did this because you can't answer the question of how RWL increases endurance. I have explained my point and posted links to support the argument. You haven't done any of this, and continue to bring up an irrelevant argument.

Now, one last time, can you please explain how RWL increases endurance, or are you going to continue to troll?

who's trolling? my point is that you , sir, have no real world experience and are talking out of your backside. You are trying to pass yourself off as some one that knows, but, you know, doesnt. that is what i am stating.

 

[TheVileOne]

so does carrying extra weight to not your optimal weight class

What are you talking about? A lot of these guys aren't carrying around extra weight or heft when they are in camp. Maybe as they go up in weight.

My point is this. Cutting an unnatural amount of weight the day before a fight doesn't improve your performance. Because that's definitely not what they weigh in as when they get to the cage.

Anthony Johnson used to cut as much as 50 pounds to get down to 170 pounds during his camp. It was insane.

He's moved up two weight classes and he fights better than ever.

 

[LoganGambit87]

What are you talking about?

Dominick Cruz just said so on FS1

you are likely to gas with carrying extra weight than your preferred weight class due to your body needing to acclimate to the weight change

 

[B]

Losing weight naturally is good. Cutting weight is bad for your body. Fasting and gorging is bad.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3607973/



It isn't nonsense.

I didn't say weight cutting isn't bad for your body, particularly your kidneys, but in terms of performance unless you're getting extreme with your weight cuts in terms of pure dehydration or trying to cut too much too fast, carrying additional weight is more hurtful to your performance/cardio than a weight cut should be. Which is obviously the case for both Nate & Conor, have you ever seen Conor tire like that at FW? or Nate slow down at LW?