Official UFC Thread - Part 7

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I didn't like nor hate Woodley, but this whole nonsense has made me dislike him & made him look like a fool I think. That segment after the bout with Lawler, Thompson basically asks him about when they're going to fight since he's the No. 1 contender & he basically sidesteps the question throwing out a random challenge to Nick Diaz saying he thinks he's deserved it..

Nick Diaz. The same Nick Diaz who hasn't fought in nearly 2 years? The same Nick Diaz that has lost his last 3 fights, getting tooled & destroyed by GSP & Silva in his last 2 of those 3 defeats? The same Nick Diaz that hasn't won a fight since 2011 that being against BJ Penn? This is the guy that Tyron Woodley thinks deserves the shot...

I hope Dana forces Woodley to fight Thompson & I hope Thompson violently KO's him, maybe that's what it will take to get him back in sync with reality. He's so silly, if he had any brains he'd have unquestionably fought Thompson, then if he'd beat him impressively, say he fights Maia & beats him impressively, he's instantly going to be a more bankable name because he's got some notoriety & not only would he have the pull to be able to get himself a name like GSP or a Diaz brother, but it would make him more money. In fairness though he has got more well known since the Lawler fight, but the sad thing is it's more for his random silly callout of an irrelevant fighter as opposed to the impressive KO win.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Woodley wants Thompson to fight Maia for next in line. I hate this guy.

 

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Woodley wants Thompson to fight Maia for next in line. I hate this guy.

It's a joke really when you think about it, Woodley's path to a title shot wasn't nearly as impressive as Thompson or Maia's. People are talking about stripping McGregor, Woodley's had the title 5 minutes & already I'm more in favour of stripping him before McGregor if he maintains this rubbish about fighting Diaz or GSP.

 

[I'm Batman.]

It's a joke really when you think about it, Woodley's path to a title shot wasn't nearly as impressive as Thompson or Maia's. People are talking about stripping McGregor, Woodley's had the title 5 minutes & already I'm more in favour of stripping him before McGregor if he maintains this rubbish about fighting Diaz or GSP.

I'd prefer it in cases like these when there's two #1 contenders effectively that they booked one against the champion then the other against a fighter on the undercard so he's ready to step in.

 

[TheVileOne]

Just to dispel some of the ******** in fighter pay debates, here's the DISCLOSED fighter salaries for Bellator 160.

Benson Henderson, former UFC champion, and Bellator's big signing got paid $75K. No win bonus. But but but Bellator was going to pay these guys more!

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/2...aries-benson-henderson-makes-75k-for-win-over

His opponent, Patricio Freire, a former champion and tournament winner in Bellator only made $50K.

You know what else, it's very possible these guys are getting more beyond what's reported here. But few if anyone point that out when UFC salaries are reported, they ***** OMG THESE GUYS AREN'T GETTING PAID ENOUGH! TERRIBLE PAYOUTS! ARGH!

 

[I'm Batman.]

Cerrone vs. Lawler rumored for MSG. If Lawler has any sense, he'll rest that brain of his, but he's a born fighter, and that's a great scrap on paper. I love the business - eight months ago Lawler had won two wars back to back and was basically the UFC's Terminator, and Cerrone had just been blown away by the 155 champion inside two minutes - now they're having a 50/50 fight less than a year later.

 

[LoganGambit87]

Just to dispel some of the ******** in fighter pay debates, here's the DISCLOSED fighter salaries for Bellator 160.

Benson Henderson, former UFC champion, and Bellator's big signing got paid $75K. No win bonus. But but but Bellator was going to pay these guys more!

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/2...aries-benson-henderson-makes-75k-for-win-over

His opponent, Patricio Freire, a former champion and tournament winner in Bellator only made $50K.

You know what else, it's very possible these guys are getting more beyond what's reported here. But few if anyone point that out when UFC salaries are reported, they ***** OMG THESE GUYS AREN'T GETTING PAID ENOUGH! TERRIBLE PAYOUTS! ARGH!

you realize bellator allows fighters to get sponorship money thats the difference and why many guys will sign with them

Josh Thomson said he got 35k worth of sponsorship money compared to his 2.5k rebook money

 

[TheVileOne]

you realize bellator allows fighters to get sponorship money thats the difference and why many guys will sign with them

Josh Thomson said he got 35k worth of sponsorship money compared to his 2.5k rebook money

Fighters still have access to sponsorships in UFC, they just can't get them for logos on their shorts anymore. Other UFC fighters have signed bigger sponsorship deals with Reebok or other sponsors.

I understand the Reebok thing is a sensitive issue, and I understand. But at the end of the day, it's Fox's and UFC's air time. Actors aren't allowed to go into business for themselves and advertise other products in movies or TV show. Sponsors for those shows have to be specifically approved. You can't show other products without legal approval. You have to remove them or tape them up.

And yeah I do know that. But I thought Bellator was going to pay these guys a lot more and treat them better? I'm not seeing really that much better paydays in the UFC than Bellator.

From a business perspective, the UFC fighters were getting a free ride with the sponsorships for years. It was premium air time for those sponsors.

And here's why this sponsorship deal is BS. Before the Reebok deal, numerous MMA news outlets and fighters were complaining that sponsorship deals were drying up and they weren't able to get good sponsors anymore.

So if Brendan Schaub was taking home six figures in sponsorship in UFC earlier on, then fighters really weren't underpaid. If a low level fighter was able to earn that much off of sponsorships alone, then it appears that UFC fighter pay was not as bad as the critics said it was.

 

[LoganGambit87]

^WSOF seems to pay their top guys more Marlon Moraes their BW Champ got - ($90,000 + $90,000 = $180,000) for his last fight

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The top fighters in the UFC make millions. Lets be fair, if you are going to compare the top guys from Bellator or WSOF, you are comparing them to the likes of Conor or Ronda. Chances are Conor made more money in his last fight then any 5 fighters combined in either of those places have made over their entire contract.

 

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If your a big name at the peak of your popularity with a lot of heat behind you, you'll make more in the UFC. It's the mid-tier guys that benefit the most with a move away from the UFC from a financial standpoint. The fighters that aren't big enough names to carry a card with their name alone, the ones that won't get a slice of PPV money buys.

 

[TheVileOne]

Forrest Griffin once said that if you are a fighter who has at least three UFC wins and manages your money well, you should be doing OK. And this was about several years ago.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Hasn't yet been confirmed, but rumors are heavy that Alvarez/McGregor is headlining UFC 205 in MSG. I'm sure there will be lots of accusations of ducking though, because well, Conor haters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I thought his foot was messed up and he was out 6 months? Also if true, I said he was never going back to 145. Also he totally doesn't deserve the shot.

 

[LoganGambit87]

Hasn't yet been confirmed, but rumors are heavy that Alvarez/McGregor is headlining UFC 205 in MSG. I'm sure there will be lots of accusations of ducking though, because well, Conor haters.

not ducking but he needs to drop his FW title then you cant have 3 straight fights in a row outside your weight class and keep the title

many people called this conor throughout his whole career has never defended a title

 

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If McGregor fights in November against Alvarez, then unless he's sidelined through some form of injury, realistically his next bout would be between January & March in theory a FW title defence. That would mean he'd have went 13-15 months since his last FW title fight. When Aldo was beat by McGregor that was his first FW title fight in 14 months.. and when he beat Edgar the first time that was 13 months. If Aldo can go so long without a title defence why can't McGregor? Is it OK to not defend your title for such a period if you pull out of bouts?

He'll not give up that FW title until at the very least he fights Alvarez as it was said in the run up to the Dos Anjos bout that he not only wanted to be a 2 weight champion, but the first man to hold 2 UFC titles at the same time. I also think I read that if he fought Alvarez Dana said he wouldn't be stripped.

Any talk of him ducking Aldo or Diaz is laughable, stylistically Alvarez is a nightmare for McGregor, throws explosive powerful punches & kicks & he's a strong grinding wrestler. If McGregor was ducking anyone, he should duck Alvarez, he should fight Aldo, at 205 & let Cerrone fight Alvarez, then if both Cerrone & McGregor win their rematches, then those 2 should fight for the LW title. That would be a far better fight for McGregor on paper & would be far more entertaining to watch as a fan as the 2 have somewhat of a hot/cold relationship it seems.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If McGregor fights in November against Alvarez, then unless he's sidelined through some form of injury, realistically his next bout would be between January & March in theory a FW title defence. That would mean he'd have went 13-15 months since his last FW title fight. When Aldo was beat by McGregor that was his first FW title fight in 14 months.. and when he beat Edgar the first time that was 13 months. If Aldo can go so long without a title defence why can't McGregor? Is it OK to not defend your title for such a period if you pull out of bouts?

He'll not give up that FW title until at the very least he fights Alvarez as it was said in the run up to the Dos Anjos bout that he not only wanted to be a 2 weight champion, but the first man to hold 2 UFC titles at the same time. I also think I read that if he fought Alvarez Dana said he wouldn't be stripped.

Any talk of him ducking Aldo or Diaz is laughable, stylistically Alvarez is a nightmare for McGregor, throws explosive powerful punches & kicks & he's a strong grinding wrestler. If McGregor was ducking anyone, he should duck Alvarez, he should fight Aldo, at 205 & let Cerrone fight Alvarez, then if both Cerrone & McGregor win their rematches, then those 2 should fight for the LW title. That would be a far better fight for McGregor on paper & would be far more entertaining to watch as a fan as the 2 have somewhat of a hot/cold relationship it seems.

Did you just compare injury to fighting out of the weightclass? Because those aren't the same things at all. But you are going to defend Conor? I am shocked.

He is not ducking Aldo. He can't make the weight anymore, but he likes having a title for photoshoots. Same for the UFC. Why Dana keeps on saying he will go back for his next fight and he never does. If this is true they will hope he wins the title at 155 so he can drop the 145 belt.

 

[LoganGambit87]

Did you just compare injury to fighting out of the weightclass? Because those aren't the same things at all. But you are going to defend Conor? I am shocked.

He is not ducking Aldo. He can't make the weight anymore, but he likes having a title for photoshoots. Same for the UFC. Why Dana keeps on saying he will go back for his next fight and he never does. If this is true they will hope he wins the title at 155 so he can drop the 145 belt.

i have said for the longest time conor has never had plans to go back to 145 he just wants to hold the title hostage till he wins the 155 title so he can say he is the first person in UFC history to hold 2 titles in 2 different weight classes at the same time.

 

[B]

Did you just compare injury to fighting out of the weightclass? Because those aren't the same things at all. But you are going to defend Conor? I am shocked.

It doesn't matter why you don't defend your title, it's still inactivity in the division & Aldo has had 2 periods 12+ months without a title defence stalling the division equally as much.

He is not ducking Aldo. He can't make the weight anymore, but he likes having a title for photoshoots. Same for the UFC. Why Dana keeps on saying he will go back for his next fight and he never does. If this is true they will hope he wins the title at 155 so he can drop the 145 belt.

Can I just ask, how have you determined he can't make the weight anymore?

 

[I'm Batman.]

If McGregor fights in November against Alvarez, then unless he's sidelined through some form of injury, realistically his next bout would be between January & March in theory a FW title defence. That would mean he'd have went 13-15 months since his last FW title fight. When Aldo was beat by McGregor that was his first FW title fight in 14 months.. and when he beat Edgar the first time that was 13 months. If Aldo can go so long without a title defence why can't McGregor? Is it OK to not defend your title for such a period if you pull out of bouts?

He'll not give up that FW title until at the very least he fights Alvarez as it was said in the run up to the Dos Anjos bout that he not only wanted to be a 2 weight champion, but the first man to hold 2 UFC titles at the same time. I also think I read that if he fought Alvarez Dana said he wouldn't be stripped.

Any talk of him ducking Aldo or Diaz is laughable, stylistically Alvarez is a nightmare for McGregor, throws explosive powerful punches & kicks & he's a strong grinding wrestler. If McGregor was ducking anyone, he should duck Alvarez, he should fight Aldo, at 205 & let Cerrone fight Alvarez, then if both Cerrone & McGregor win their rematches, then those 2 should fight for the LW title. That would be a far better fight for McGregor on paper & would be far more entertaining to watch as a fan as the 2 have somewhat of a hot/cold relationship it seems.

It seems certain that Alvarez/McGregor is next. As much as we all want him to defend the FW strap, it's been smart whether deliberate or not on his part to hold on to it as long as possible. McGregor is so good at the game he always has a big fight holstered in case he needs it. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. It's like we're back to where we were when McGregor got removed from 200 just without the Twitter crap.

 

[LoganGambit87]

It doesn't matter why you don't defend your title, it's still inactivity in the division & Aldo has had 2 periods 12+ months without a title defence stalling the division equally as much.

of course it matters and aldo has always been injured with long lay offs you can accuse him of being injury prone but he always had legit reasons why, he wasn't just refusing to defend his title while healthy like conor

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It doesn't matter why you don't defend your title, it's still inactivity in the division & Aldo has had 2 periods 12+ months without a title defence stalling the division equally as much.

Of course it matters. Anyone with sense and isn't bias knows this. An injury cannot be prevented. It is not an intentional act. Fighting out of the weight class is. I get it, you like Conor. That doesn't mean you have to bend logic to defend him.

Can I just ask, how have you determined he can't make the weight anymore?

Because he keeps on saying he is going to go back down there and fight and yet doesn't. If this is true, he has no plans of ever fighting at 145 again.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

If anyone is dodging, it's Alvarez avoiding Nurmagomedov. McGregor is the only name he's mentioned since beating Dos Anjos.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If anyone is dodging, it's Alvarez avoiding Nurmagomedov. McGregor is the only name he's mentioned since beating Dos Anjos.

Eddie wants that money fight, no doubt. But at least he has done a lot of work at 155. Woodley at 170 is the ridiculous one imo.

 

[LoganGambit87]

unlike Woodley i think Eddie deserves a money fight dude is a legit veteran who has been in the sport for 13 years