Official UFC Thread - Part 7

[TheVileOne]

His coach wants him to fight Nate Diaz again at lightweight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Conor is never going to defend any title.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean he could be boxing Floyd Mayweather next for all we know.

As for the new fighter associations popping up, the MMAAA lost a lot of its credibility by making Bjorn Rebney their spokesperson. It doesn't matter if he's just an advisor or trying to right his past wrongs, it just rings false that their intentions are genuine with him onboard. There's also evidence that he wanted to get a piece of a potential settlement payout if he got involved in the class-action lawsuits currently ongoing against the UFC.

I think a union for MMA and fighters could be a good thing. However, I think the problem is that there are like three so called unions or really fighter associations, and you have all these parties fighting amongst each other competing for fighter loyalty. You have the lawsuit people now threatening and posturing against the MMAAA. If anything, all these groups should be uniting and banding together if they want to foster change. Otherwise they look like splintered groups.

And maybe they should you know actually take the time even if it takes years to actually build a union rather than an unofficial association. It just seems these groups are looking for a quick fix and payout rather than actually changing the game for the long haul to help future generations of fighters.

Like the MMAAA, one of their demands is like a lump sum settlement payout for past wrongdoings. Yeah, I doubt they get far with that. Just like UFC isn't going to pay Mark Hunt Lesnar's salary because he failed his drug test at UFC 200.

 

[B]

I have no problem with taking featherweight belt off of McGregor. But IMHO, they shouldn't have made a new interim title.

Agree 100%.

I think the one the UFC created that Jose won & held after UFC 200 was needlessly created as well IMO. It was no doubt something the UFC did just to keep Jose happy because after he got KO'd if I recall he made some post on Twitter or Facebook calling for an immediate rematch & he wouldn't fight again unless his next fight was for a title.. or something to that general effect.

I hate interim titles.

it depends if his next fight will be the winner of khabib/tony he can always do nate diaz trilogy or a ww title fight

His coach wants him to fight Nate Diaz again at lightweight.

I don't think there is a chance in hell McGregor fights for a Welterweight title for a number of reasons. Too small, no longer holds 1 of the 2 belts meaning he can't hold 3 at once defeating the purpose IMO. I suppose he could want to become a 3 weight world champion.. but again, I think he's far, far too small for Welterweight. Tyron Woodley walks around at about 210lbs.. McGregor weighed in as heavy as possible for the Diaz fight at 168lbs.

As for Diaz, I would not be unhappy in the slightest if they set up a trilogy fight. Diaz is a legitimate contender in the LW division as well, in an ideal world if Khabib & Ferguson fight in like February, with McGregor still out until August I think at the earliest, Diaz could fight the winner of those 2 on the July 4th card. I'm not annoyed regardless because there are so many mouth watering fights to be made not even involving McGregor at LW.

 

[TheVileOne]

A part of me feels like they just might do the trilogy fight with Nate Diaz. I hope that's not the case, but ugh.

It has to be either Nurmagomedov or Ferguson. You can't just do an endless parade of super-fights vs. McGregor forever.

 

[B]

I personally don't think they'll go that route unless Nate takes a fight with Khabib or Ferguson & wins, before McGregor returns.

Even maybe Alvarez or Dos Anjos for Nate, I think the only chance Nate has of sneaking in there before Khabib or Ferguson is to fight one of them or Alvarez or Dos Anjos & win fairly convincingly.

That being said look at the GSP/Nick Diaz fight, GSP wanted the fight bad enough & Diaz wanted the fight so he was granted a WW title shot ahead of others & coming off a lose.

 

[TheVileOne]

anthony pettis missed weight today making tomorrow's interim title fight even more useless.

 

[B]

You literally cannot write this ****, it's like a soap opera regarding this FW title recently.

So if Anthony Pettis beats Max Holloway, then what? Even though he doesn't win the interim title do you then give him a title shot at Jose Aldo knowing he's 1 for 1 at FW making weight?

IMO, if Pettis are to win tomorrow I don't think he should get a title shot. Just like you cannot win a title in a title bout if you miss the weight limit, I don't think you should be able to earn a title shot coming off a bout that you've missed weight regardless of who you beat.

 

[B]

On another note I see Tyron Woodley just can't help himself, the donkey has AGAIN called for a bout with Nick Diaz at UFC 209..

Also just reading the article further he's even been trying to provoke McGregor on social media as well apparently into taking a fight with him.

I really am developing a hatred for Woodley beyond any other fighter, for a start he didn't even beat Wonderboy & that should be an immediate rematch for sure, then on top of that you've got Maia who also should be getting a title shot.

Nick Diaz & Conor McGregor's names shouldn't even be entering his pea sized brain when he's got 2 fighters already waiting for a title shot at WW.

 

[TheVileOne]

You literally cannot write this ****, it's like a soap opera regarding this FW title recently.

So if Anthony Pettis beats Max Holloway, then what? Even though he doesn't win the interim title do you then give him a title shot at Jose Aldo knowing he's 1 for 1 at FW making weight?

IMO, if Pettis are to win tomorrow I don't think he should get a title shot. Just like you cannot win a title in a title bout if you miss the weight limit, I don't think you should be able to earn a title shot coming off a bout that you've missed weight regardless of who you beat.

If Pettis wins than Jose Aldo is still technically the full champion...and the useless interim title is uselessly vacant.

I can't hate Woodley too much because he's champion and he wants to make as much money as possible. I just think he doesn't understand that he's not the moneyweight fighter. Just because he won the title doesn't mean he can fight whoever he wants. He has to still take tough challenges.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

On another note I see Tyron Woodley just can't help himself, the donkey has AGAIN called for a bout with Nick Diaz at UFC 209..

Also just reading the article further he's even been trying to provoke McGregor on social media as well apparently into taking a fight with him.

I really am developing a hatred for Woodley beyond any other fighter, for a start he didn't even beat Wonderboy & that should be an immediate rematch for sure, then on top of that you've got Maia who also should be getting a title shot.

Nick Diaz & Conor McGregor's names shouldn't even be entering his pea sized brain when he's got 2 fighters already waiting for a title shot at WW.

How can you support Conor doing stupider crap, but complain about Woodley?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If Pettis wins than Jose Aldo is still technically the full champion...and the useless interim title is uselessly vacant.

I can't hate Woodley too much because he's champion and he wants to make as much money as possible. I just think he doesn't understand that he's not the moneyweight fighter. Just because he won the title doesn't mean he can fight whoever he wants. He has to still take tough challenges.

I think Nick could totally beat him. Which is funny all things considered.

 

[B]

If Pettis wins than Jose Aldo is still technically the full champion...and the useless interim title is uselessly vacant.

I can't hate Woodley too much because he's champion and he wants to make as much money as possible. I just think he doesn't understand that he's not the moneyweight fighter. Just because he won the title doesn't mean he can fight whoever he wants. He has to still take tough challenges.

If Pettis wins it's really going to put the FW division in a limbo IMO. Holloway shouldn't get the shot because he lost & Pettis shouldn't get it because he didn't make the weight in a No. 1 contender/Interim title bout. It will be best all round if Holloway wins.

I appreciate that he wants to make money, but he hasn't even built up his own name & reputation to the point were you could call it a 'superfight'. It's not like Bisping calling out Henderson where there is history or something to base actually making such a fight off. Woodley & Diaz have no connection or history, Diaz hasn't won a fight since 2011.. I mean I just find the idea & concept so silly on Woodley's part.

How can you support Conor doing stupider crap, but complain about Woodley?

Such as?

I think Nick could totally beat him. Which is funny all things considered.

I think Nick would beat him as well, but it's not really the point. I think Nick would finish him as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Such as?

Jumping weights, never defending a title but holding it for no reason, getting a title shot when he is 1-1 in the division against a non-contender, taking a long break now, etc.

I think Nick would beat him as well, but it's not really the point. I think Nick would finish him as well.

Well the point is Woodley wants a money fight. No different then Conor.

 

[TheVileOne]

Actually, McGregor was 0-0 at lightweight in the UFC when he won the title. He was 1-1 at welterweight against Nate Diaz.

To his credit, he's fought I think three times in his career at lightweight, 4 now with the title win. So technically, he's 4-0 at lightweight, and he was Cage Warriors Lightweight Champion. It was Cage Warriors, but there you go.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Actually, McGregor was 0-0 at lightweight in the UFC when he won the title. He was 1-1 at welterweight against Nate Diaz.

To his credit, he's fought I think three times in his career at lightweight, 4 now with the title win. So technically, he's 4-0 at lightweight, and he was Cage Warriors Lightweight Champion. It was Cage Warriors, but there you go.

I find what worse, all things considered.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Interesting to see what happens if Pettis wins. Surely, he won't get a title shot because of this. Do they hotshot Choi if he wins? Give Edgar another shot at Aldo?

On the McGregor point world championship fighters fight so rarely that I'd be surprised if there was another title fight after the winner of this vs. Aldo. And that could get postponed anyway. McGregor keeps to a great schedule when he's active so it seems preposterous that people were whining about him holding up the division when Aldo is the alternative. McGregor managed to debut in the UFC, beat Holloway, tear his ACL, come back, tear through 3 top 10 guys, knock out Aldo, tie a 2 fight series with Diaz, and win another title in the time it took Aldo to go 4-1. I think Aldo is an all time great, but he's had a PPV cancelled, made Silva take a fight to save another, and nearly killed another if McGregor chose not to take the fight against Mendes. He's not the guy to keep fluidity within the division in McGregor's absence so what's the point?

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean you could give it to Swanson if he wins too. But if it's Holloway you still give it to him.

 

[B]

Jumping weights, never defending a title but holding it for no reason, getting a title shot when he is 1-1 in the division against a non-contender, taking a long break now, etc.

Since when was fighting in multiple weight classes regarded as stupid?

Not defending the FW title was just a product of the circumstances, Aldo/Dos Anjos initial pullouts, Mendes/Diaz stepping in, having to win then unify an interim title, Diaz beating him prompting him to want a rematch to rectify the lose. I said when it was announced that the rematch with Diaz was stupid even moreso at 170lbs so I'll give you that.. but on par with Woodley's stupidity? No. The only fighter during McGregor's reign who had a case for being a clear challenger was Frankie Edgar. But when the rematch with Diaz was in the works, he got offered Aldo on the same card & he himself had a chance to rectify a lose that he had on his record.

He's actually 0-0 in the division before the Alvarez fight, he's 1-1 at Welterweight. I don't think him getting a title shot is anymore stupid than when Frankie got a FW title shot being 0-0 at FW AND on a 2 fight losing streak.. or BJ Penn getting a WW title shot being like 1-3 in the UFC WW division etc. Also I disagree with you on Nate, I think he's for sure a contender, I think he's a bad matchup for Ferguson & Khabib.

Taking time off while his girlfriend/wife gives birth, I mean again it's not stupid at all. I'm sure fighters have done similar things in the past without the public not even knowing about it because it wasn't broadcast over social media.

Well the point is Woodley wants a money fight. No different then Conor.

Big, big difference. Conor IS the money fight. He built himself up to the point were when he fought Aldo he was as popular & as big as he was if not bigger.

Woodley on the other hand isn't a money fight, all he has done since become WW champion is go around begging people like Diaz, McGregor & GSP to come fight him in an attempt to attach himself like a dog to one of their legs.

I don't blame him for wanting to make money at all, but come on he should use some common sense. He should have kept his trap shut, fought Wonderboy, fought Maia THEN when he has cleared the jam at the title door, then throw out a name like GSP.

Diaz on a 3 fight losing streak & not having won since 2011 makes the constant challenges to him even more obsurd.

 

[Warhammer]

If literally any other profession in the world took 10 months off while their girlfriend/wife gave birth, they'd be fired. Come on now. B, I can't believe you actually wrote that. McGregor is a champion. A champion who once held a belt hostage at that. A champion comes with even more obligations.

 

[B]

Donald Cerrone is a beast.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Mikey Day as Conor McGregor on SNL.

 

[B]

If literally any other profession in the world took 10 months off while their girlfriend/wife gave birth, they'd be fired. Come on now. B, I can't believe you actually wrote that. McGregor is a champion. A champion who once held a belt hostage at that. A champion comes with even more obligations.

You cannot compare fighting to any other profession it's not like a clock in clock out type business in which you must fight to keep your job. People aren't universally fired though for taking time off, as long as it's agreed between an employer & employee, I know people that have taken a years career break to go travelling, essentially going on holiday.

10 months from November would mean he'd be due to return in & around August to face the winner of a potential Ferguson/Khabib fight which will probably happen in and around March according to reports. The divisions not going to stall unless the UFC lets it.

 

[B]

Great performance from Holloway, really lit Pettis up with some nice body shots. Pettis looked a far cry from his LW performances, looked very timid & conservative. I'd surmise that the weight cut contributed to this, he looked very drained at the official weigh in.

Good to see Pettis show the common sense to go back to 155lbs. It's without question his home, I would surmise looking at him he would weigh every bit of 170lbs walking around. To be honest I think the fact he lost a few fights contributed to him wanting to go to 145lbs, but in reality the guys he lost to at 155lbs, there's no shame in losing to any of them.

Holloway vs Aldo, or Jose Waldo as Holloway called him funny should be a good fight, Aldo's leg kicks will be a factor in the fight. Holloway seems to fight on the limits of his reach exploding with with flurries & combos. If Aldo's smart he'll have his leg kick game on point, as it always usually is, but even moreso for this contest.

 

[B]

Holloway's interview after the fight was straight gangster.