Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[Darthphere]

Yeah, the thing is, he's written five scripts, but Cheung hasn't even started drawing them.

 

[spark627]

Yeah, the thing is, he's written five scripts, but Cheung hasn't even started drawing them.

Not true, Cheung has drawn a few issues already, hence the incorrect outfits for Iron Man and Cap

 

[Darthphere]

He has not drawn a few issues. If anything, he's drawn a couple of pages, and a few covers/promo pieces like the one we have.

 

[CaptainCanada]

He has not drawn a few issues. If anything, he's drawn a couple of pages, and a few covers/promo pieces like the one we have.

If that was all he had done, it would be fairly easy to change the costumes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I imagine it'd still be fairly easy to change the costumes, they just can't be bothered to do it.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Though given the 17-month release schedule, this series will probably end up a somewhat awkward fit for continuity anyway - stuff's inevitably going to change with at least some of the guest stars in that timeframe.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd be happy if they just claim it takes place right after Siege and whoever winds up writing the Young Avengers one-shots to fill the inevitable gaps while we're waiting for issues of The Children's Crusade to come out treats the team as if The Children's Crusade is already over for them.

 

[spark627]

He has not drawn a few issues. If anything, he's drawn a couple of pages, and a few covers/promo pieces like the one we have.

Considering how cautious Marvel has been about announcing this before Heinberg/Cheung were ready, I don't think they would announce a July release if only a few pages were done... and again, they would have edited the costumes.

 

[Darthphere]

Considering how cautious Marvel has been about announcing this before Heinberg/Cheung were ready, I don't think they would announce a July release if only a few pages were done... and again, they would have edited the costumes.

You have far too much faith in Marvel editorial.

 

[Anubis]

you have far too much faith in marvel editorial.

qft

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Okay so I know nothing about how the art is produced, but would it be possible for Cheung to change the costumes in "post-production"?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

.... no. dude there drawings, that are digitized and colored on a computer, then printed out.

no way can you just do a simple "costume swap"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Cheung could always change the original pencils and then they could redo the coloring. Since it's all digital, it probably doesn't take that long. You never hear about inkers or colorists who can't manage to finish 22 pages in a month, let alone the 2 months this series will have per issue.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

as an artist who does both traditional and digital art.... its not that easy...

you guys are complaining cheung is taking to long as is... wanting him to change and redo the costumes would just add alot of extra considerable time to that.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I never said it was easy, just that it doesn't take as long as penciling. It just seems weird that they apparently have so much art done that it's not feasible to change the costumes, yet the series is bimonthly and Cheung is still not done.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

well it honestly depends on what you want changed... if it's slight tweaks vs re-hauling the entire costume...

if it's an entire re-haul, the whole character needs redrawn. and that indeed takes a long time. it's not like there barbies or paper dolls and you can instantly change there costume.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I never said that part would be easy either. But it's possible and, more to the point, it has precedent: George Perez redrew Kyle Rayner's costume in JLA vs. Avengers after the first issue had already been entirely penciled and inked.

Either way, though, it's a moot point. They've already said they're not changing the costumes.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah, cheung is way to slow for anyone really wanting him to go back and change anything

 

[Mogwai]

i love cheung's depictions of the YA. i'll wait for him.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i do love cheung's art a bunch, just wish he was faster

 

[Mogwai]

^yeah, he's another jim lee.

 

[Dread]

A story that waited 4 years, and they won't even get the costumes right?

This product, to me, tells you everything you need to know about Marvel. They are clearly a company that does not respect their medium, because they allow a TV writer to literally bring a "work for hire" franchise to a stand still for as long as George Bush's second term simply because he is busy with his "real job". The YOUNG AVENGERS sell in the pits now, and I would bet that this series won't sell where it was in 2005, even at $4 an issue. It will be lucky to debut at 45k and will dwindle every week, and likely finish at the bottom of the Top 100. It is a story that should have been done by another writer with Heinberg's notes credited via a "co-plotter" credit sometime in 2007, at latest. No one gives a rat's patootie about HOUSE OF M anymore except for Bendis and Heinberg. This is the same Marvel that has fought tooth and nail in the courts to deny due royalties to a slew of creators over the "work for hire" motto and then they turn around and literally put YA on hold for Heinberg all these years? They just **** fans along with all those mini's and one shots, including from last week, that amount to nothing?

It also shows that Marvel has no respect for their fans. The same fans they jerked around with ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK. The same fans they feel will flock to DOCTOR VOODOO at $4. The fans should be so happy that this 4 years late storyline is coming that that they won't care that the costumes or continuity is all wrong. What, does Heinberg think he and Cheung were writing ****ing WATCHMEN!?

I really, really, really, really, REALLY should not be bothering with this. But then again, I shouldn't have bothered reading SIEGE, either. Which is why when Marvel does this, I can see the reason. Every time Marvel bets that their fans are ignorant fools who will be grateful for whatever slop they get, whether good or bad, they're always right.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Soooooooo, you're...not going to read it?

 

[Dread]

Soooooooo, you're...not going to read it?

I will, and then hate myself for being a gullible sucker all the way through.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Well kudos to you sir for being honest.