Days of Future Past "Only have one more new character" in sequel says Vaughn

[By your Command]

If they were to go that route, they might as well just introduce Storm and call it a day.

But Vaughn said only one new character, and Storm without Jean and Scott, it just doesn't feel right in these movies, and we need some sarcasm here, a complete outsider to the team that just questions every move, Storm would just be strong and leader-like, a smaller less known character would be easier to imprint a new personality in.

 

[Project862006]

i am pretty sure they even had a romantic connections in the comics too

 

[The Batman]

Since this movie followed the continuity of singers films, putting cyclops, storm, or jean there wouldnt make sense. I think the storm cameo was just a nice easter egg.

I'd like to see mutants who wouldnt contradict the later films and who havent gotten a big screen treatment yet. Like Sunfire,Polaris, Thunderbird, Bishop, or a proper Psylocke.

 

[tedw]

In X3, Storm and Hank seemed to have had some kind of history together...

Yeah - if you did have Storm, and she was a bit youngish, there's an opportunity for a "little sister" kind of vibe between her and Hank... which echoes Charles and Mystique and adds storyline potential.

I think there's possibility for her to be like a less-annoying Jubilee.

But Vaughn said only one new character, and Storm without Jean and Scott, it just doesn't feel right in these movies, and we need some sarcasm here, a complete outsider to the team that just questions every move, Storm would just be strong and leader-like, a smaller less known character would be easier to imprint a new personality in.

The reason I said Storm and not Jean (or Scott) is only because she had less story in the first few films. Jean had quite a bit, and I don't think you can easily pull in Jean without then having to pull in Scott. Adding Scott is just another dude, but I think a female character is needed personally.

As far as the "role", Banshee and Havok already seemed a bit sarcastic ("I wanted to be called Mystique" and "Do we have to wear [the costumes]"). A young Storm could question everything for a different reason - perhaps she thinks she knows it all and believes she's capable of leading the X-Men some day and questions in that way.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

The Storm in XMFC did not look like a little girl to me; she looked between 10 and 12, but it was a very fleeting glimpse so I can't be sure.

That said, the characters in FC weren't given ages on screen that I can recall, and I can easily buy some like Banshee being as young as 15. So I would buy Storm in a FC2 as anywhere between 14 and 17 and still allow her to "join in" on the action if need be. Even if she was on the younger side, she could easily do what Kitty used to do in the comics and stow away on board the jet and get involved in a final fight.

That's why I said it would work quite well if the sequel took place in the 70's, or maybe close to it, probably 1968 (wink wink). That way, the actors' ages would be right on top of what their character ages would most likely be.

For example, Lucas and Caleb were both around 20 when they did this movie, but as you mentioned, their characters could've been as young as 15-16.

 

[tedw]

That's why I said it would work quite well if the sequel took place in the 70's, or maybe close to it, probably 1968 (wink wink).

I quoted you and it may have made it seem like I was disagreeing with you, but I wasn't - sorry!

I doubt they'd push it that late if Vaughn was considering setting a sequel in 1963... but who knows?

 

[By your Command]

Yeah - if you did have Storm, and she was a bit youngish, there's an opportunity for a "little sister" kind of vibe between her and Hank... which echoes Charles and Mystique and adds storyline potential.

I think there's possibility for her to be like a less-annoying Jubilee.



The reason I said Storm and not Jean (or Scott) is only because she had less story in the first few films. Jean had quite a bit, and I don't think you can easily pull in Jean without then having to pull in Scott. Adding Scott is just another dude, but I think a female character is needed personally.

As far as the "role", Banshee and Havok already seemed a bit sarcastic ("I wanted to be called Mystique" and "Do we have to wear [the costumes]"). A young Storm could question everything for a different reason - perhaps she thinks she knows it all and believes she's capable of leading the X-Men some day and questions in that way.

You almost convinced me, but then I re-read what I wrote, and the sarcastic outsider is still missing, that's why a completely reinvented Cecilia Reyes with Armor-like powers would be perfect. Yes the guys joked around a bit, but they eventually folded and wore the suits, not only that but they are most importantly the original team, there has to be someone new to the crazyness, that wasn't part of the Cuba mission, that is trying to understand why being in a superhero team is necesary and that is kinda powerful (and as you said a woman, cause the X-men are an all men team for the moment) but not Storm powerful, cause ultra-powerful mutants are usually incapacitated by the writers for, well, more leveled fights, Whereas someone with both superstrenght and vulnerabilty would work in those cases.

PS. There's no such thing as a less-annoying Jubilee .

 

[The Batman]

well she is Magnetos daugther...

but the thing is, just because her powers are the same as the lead villian, the character has alot of development.

Her father is Magneto, but she doesnt have the same values as him
She may fight on Xaviers side,
How would Polaris effect Magnetos thoughts of his war.
Plus you also have a female lead within the x-men and potential love interest for Havok.

This.

Plus, like Hank and Havok, Polaris was actually apart of the 60's roster of x-men. It'd be fitting to have her in if the sequel is still in the 60's.

Also, it'd be cool to see Xavier feel the need to "save" polaris the way he couldnt save Magneto.

 

[tedw]

You almost convinced me, but then I re-read what I wrote, and the sarcastic outsider is still missing, that's why a completely reinvented Cecilia Reyes with Armor-like powers would be perfect. Yes the guys joked around a bit, but they eventually folded and wore the suits, not only that but they are most importantly the original team, there has to be someone new to the crazyness, that wasn't part of the Cuba mission, that is trying to understand why being in a superhero team is necesary and that is kinda powerful (and as you said a woman, cause the X-men are an all men team for the moment) but not Storm powerful, cause ultra-powerful mutants are usually incapacitated by the writers for, well, more leveled fights, Whereas someone with both superstrenght and vulnerabilty would work in those cases.

PS. There's no such thing as a less-annoying Jubilee .

I'll admit I don't know Reyes much; I read her intro in the comics with Iceman, and liked her at the time, but I didn't read much immediately after Onslaught and I think I missed what limited time she had on the team (from what I understand).

By sarcastic outsider, it sounds like you're talking about someone whose attitude is a bit like Wolverine's. I can see why you'd say that archetype is missing, but given that this would be a sequel, I'm not entirely convinced that character is necessary. The whole "what do they call you, Wheels?" attitude worked in X1 because the audience related and could follow his progression from "this entire thing is a joke" to "let's give these geeks another chance".

So I respect that Banshee and Havok aren't quite as outsider as you think is necessary, but I still think there's some merit to the idea of Storm as the team's "kid sister".

I'll also add that, not only are the X-Men all men, but they're fairly WASPish. Compare Magneto's team, which - excluding Emma - is more diverse: a Jew, a blue girl, a red guy, a Latino guy, and a black girl. Adding Storm, or even Cecilia, would add a little diversity to the X-team. But it's most important that whoever is added is added because they're a good character, not just because of their skin color.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

I quoted you and it may have made it seem like I was disagreeing with you, but I wasn't - sorry!

I doubt they'd push it that late if Vaughn was considering setting a sequel in 1963... but who knows?

Did Vaughn say that he would do that? A sequel in 1963?

Well, I guess you could either attach development onto '63 with JFK's assassination or attach it to '68 with MLK's assassination. I'd prefer the latter, but...

 

[The Batman]

A nice "outsider" character could be sunfire, who usually has an antagonistic relationship with the x-men.

 

[tedw]

Did Vaughn say that he would do that? A sequel in 1963?

Well, I guess you could either attach development onto '63 with JFK's assassination or attach it to '68 with MLK's assassination. I'd prefer the latter, but...

I believe he's said that he would open a sequel with Magneto assassinating JFK (for having taken credit for solving the missile crisis), given his powers could send bullets flying from all kinds of directions that conspiracy theorists still can't account for.

(Personally, I think that it'd be just as good, or better, for Azazel to be the one who does the shooting, given he can teleport from place to place without trace and would satisfy anyone who claims multiple shooters, but nevermind.)

Obviously, a FC2 is still just a possibility, and maybe by the time they got around to making it these plans would change. I'm just assuming that if it was made, it probably wouldn't be more than a year later.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I want to see Cyclops and have them show Xavier's father-son relationship with him. It would be a good way to develop Xavier's and it would add something to the movie Cyclops besides being the boyfriend of Jean Grey. Plus the team needs a field leader now that Xavier is crippled.

 

[By your Command]

I'll admit I don't know Reyes much; I read her intro in the comics with Iceman, and liked her at the time, but I didn't read much immediately after Onslaught and I think I missed what limited time she had on the team (from what I understand).

Trust me, I have basic ideas of Cecilia Reyes, and I basically just own her intro with Iceman too (it's somewhere in my house, I used to love the artwork in that issue), that's what allows me to use the word sarcastic next to her, cause basically I'm just making it up, her character is way more tragic than just that, but just the fact that she's a small character in the grand schem of things allows more room for surprises and changes.

By sarcastic outsider, it sounds like you're talking about someone whose attitude is a bit like Wolverine's. I can see why you'd say that archetype is missing, but given that this would be a sequel, I'm not entirely convinced that character is necessary. The whole "what do they call you, Wheels?" attitude worked in X1 because the audience related and could follow his progression from "this entire thing is a joke" to "let's give these geeks another chance".

Well, yes and no, yes cause I feel more comfortable when someone is just asking the basic things the audience is asking, basically what Moira was supposed to do in this movie, someone able to say "Well of course the invulnerable telepath is gonna escape the prison, she's an invulnerable telepath", and not only that but someone who's able to question Xavier, "Why should we hide?", "Should we really be teaching these kids math when there's a superpowered nazi-hunter building an army?"

So I respect that Banshee and Havok aren't quite as outsider as you think is necessary, but I still think there's some merit to the idea of Storm as the team's "kid sister".

I'll also add that, not only are the X-Men all men, but they're fairly WASPish. Compare Magneto's team, which - excluding Emma - is more diverse: a Jew, a blue girl, a red guy, a Latino guy, and a black girl. Adding Storm, or even Cecilia, would add a little diversity to the X-team. But it's most important that whoever is added is added because they're a good character, not just because of their skin color.

Kid sister Storm is really a great idea, and of course Beast would be protective of her because of the guilt he must feel for mistreating Mystique basically all-movie long, so it would completely work.

And yeah, WASPy as hell, so I completely agree a good character, but hopefully not blue-eyed blond good character.

 

[tedw]

Trust me, I have basic ideas of Cecilia Reyes, and I basically just own her intro with Iceman too (it's somewhere in my house, I used to love the artwork in that issue), that's what allows me to use the word sarcastic next to her, cause basically I'm just making it up, her character is way more tragic than just that, but just the fact that she's a small character in the grand schem of things allows more room for surprises and changes.

I recall I liked the art too. I agree that as she's a less-developed X-Man, it might give more room to her to be turned into what the writers need for the film... and I probably wouldn't mind as long as she (or whoever took that place, potentially) was a good character.

"Should we really be teaching these kids math when there's a superpowered nazi-hunter building an army?"

Since Xavier is newly wheelchair-bound and probably not in the mood to teach, and Hank is the resident genius, does that mean Hank would be teaching them math? I'm sure that'd go well.

And yeah, WASPy as hell, so I completely agree a good character, but hopefully not blue-eyed blond good character.

I have to admit that I forgot Beast is now a bluy guy. Whoops. Still think someone who isn't a white guy would add something to the team.

 

[Doc Samson]

I want to see Cyclops and have them show Xavier's father-son relationship with him. It would be a good way to develop Xavier's and it would add something to the movie Cyclops besides being the boyfriend of Jean Grey. Plus the team needs a field leader now that Xavier is crippled.

Probably makes the most logical sense, and besides, I for one still want to see the real Cyclops. In the previous trilogy, I felt it was a highly bastardized version, and for all intents and purposes, never really felt like the leader he should be

 

[By your Command]

Since Xavier is newly wheelchair-bound and probably not in the mood to teach, and Hank is the resident genius, does that mean Hank would be teaching them math? I'm sure that'd go well.

As long as it's not Banshee or Havok I'm OK with it, the kids would get used to it as they got used to Storm and her on-again off-again accent.

I have to admit that I forgot Beast is now a bluy guy. Whoops. Still think someone who isn't a white guy would add something to the team.

I forgot about Beast too! but come on at least a brunette.

 

[tedw]

As long as it's not Banshee or Havok I'm OK with it, the kids would get used to it

I mostly meant Beast teaching Banshee & Havok... because I don't think they'd listen to him at all. They seem like they're still possibly school age, to me, and thus would be students, but no way would they buy him as the teacher.

as they got used to Storm and her on-again off-again accent.

For some reason this makes me imagine that perhaps Storm put the accent on to try and trick the kids into thinking there were more teachers on staff then there were.

Non-accented Storm: "I'm going to teach you math, kids."
Accented Storm: "I'm going to teach you history today. Plus I'm not Storm."

 

[X Knight]

didn't we essentially see a young Storm in the Cerebro scene.

there was a young darker-skinned girl with white hair ( reading a book I think ).

that's kind of deliberate, if you ask me.

if the sequel is set about 10 years later in the 70s, then that same girl would be in her late teens/early twenties.

plus, Beast, Havok, and Banshee would be around 10 years older, too, putting them in a more mentor role for new students, such as Storm.

 

[X Knight]

besides, adding Storm, a major character with future leadership potential, would kind of counter the situations in First Class where the only two black characters either defected at 1st temptation or died before seeing any action............

 

[Quetzal]

A nice "outsider" character could be sunfire, who usually has an antagonistic relationship with the x-men.

Actually kind of hoping for this ^. I always thought Sunfire was great, would love to see him being badass flipflopping between Magneto and Xavier.

 

[The Batman]

^ Yup. I'd rather see Sunfire and Polaris than Cyclops and Storm, whose inclusions would only eff up continuity, IMO.

 

[Angamb]

I think it would be really special to close the trilogy with the three awaited X-men: Scott, Jean and Ororo.

It would be the closest sequel to the x-men movie the fans have been waiting their whole life.

And it could easily be the bigger sequel in the worldwide boxoffice, the same that happened with X3.

 

[By your Command]

I mostly meant Beast teaching Banshee & Havok... because I don't think they'd listen to him at all. They seem like they're still possibly school age, to me, and thus would be students, but no way would they buy him as the teacher.

Oh I was hoping there would be more students for the sequel, like kids that don't have to be on the field, but yeah Havok and Banshee would be terrible students for Beast, he would probably have to hurt them just to make them listen, let alone learn.

For some reason this makes me imagine that perhaps Storm put the accent on to try and trick the kids into thinking there were more teachers on staff then there were.

Non-accented Storm: "I'm going to teach you math, kids."
Accented Storm: "I'm going to teach you history today. Plus I'm not Storm."

All the kids would be like "That woman thinks she can trick us just by changing accents and haircuts? and why does she keep asking us about what happens to things when they are hit by lightning?"

 

[Deaths Head II]

^ Yup. I'd rather see Sunfire and Polaris than Cyclops and Storm, whose inclusions would only eff up continuity, IMO.

The stuff in First Class already effs up continuity in many ways. Didn't Vaughn or Singer talk about how they're not being so strict with continuity that it prevents them from telling the story they want to tell? At the very least that's how it feels their attitude is with First Class. The fact Storm and Cyclop already cameod in FC kind proves to me they're not so much concerned about their ages.