Days of Future Past "Only have one more new character" in sequel says Vaughn

[Majik1387]

I think Havok and Cyclops could easily work in a film together, especially if they have a massive fight.

But their powers won't damage each other.

Aren't all mutants immune to their relatives' powers in the comics? I could have sworn I've seen it happen a couple of times.

That's the point.

 

[X Knight]

I want Jean and Scott.

 

[WeasleyIsRKing]

I would say that the only true argument against using Cyclops in a sequel is his power is so similar to Havoks that unless they actually write distinct arcs/personalities for these characters and develop them then they are redundant.

That would be another pro to bringning in Scott. You would get to see him interact with his brother, which whould give him a story arc right there, especially if they've been separated for a long time. They would have to show that the two of them are different characters with distinct personalities. I think Vaughn could easily accomplish that.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think the way to bring in Scott is to have a montage of Xavier using Cerebro to recruit new mutants. So we see him using Cerebro, and in Cerebro we see a quick shot of the mutants he's recruiting, and then afterwards have a shot of all the new students together, being greeted at the mansion by Xavier.

I think this works on a number of levels:

-It doesn't toss out continuity of X-Men Origins: Wolverine and how Xavier found Scott.

-We don't need to go into detail of something we've already seen a few times in the movies already, of Xavier meeting every student individually to recruit them for the school.

-We can introduce many different characters to the school - ideally characters like Storm or, even more specifically, Jean Grey. If Vaughn (or whoever ends up making the film) doesn't want to introduce more than one major character, then the new recruits can play a role very similar to than of Jean Grey in X-Men #1 - a new mutant, a new student, who isn't exactly a member of the X-Men yet, just a very promising student at Xavier's school (correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe that Jean Grey is part of the battle against Magneto in X-Men #1). At the same time, we can, without going into huge detail about it, see the beginning stages of the relationship between Scott and Jean.

-Cyclops doesn't have to come in and instantly become the leader. But perhaps that can be part of the rivalry between Havok and Cyclops. Cyclops has natural leadership qualities, but Havok being older, and an original member of the team, feels that he has more of a claim to the leadership role.

-While Cyclops wouldn't be the *ORIGINAL* X-Man, he'd still have a sense of claim to the "1st student" role, as Scott could be the first student recruited by Xavier after he actually starts the school. While Banshee, Havok, and Beast will have the claim of being the original X-Men, Scott could still in a way be Xavier's "first student". If there was a 3rd movie, he could already be established as a student, and the 3rd film could see the eventual departure of Banshee and Havok perhaps, forcing Scott to step up in his leadership role, while bringing his new team of Jean Grey, Storm, and Beast with him. This would make a 3rd movie in the First Class series consist of Cyclops, Storm, Beast, and Jean Grey, which is a first class team I can get behind. The movie could deal with Beast becoming more involved in the political realm, leaving the school at the end of the movie to fight for mutant rights in a new way. The movie would end with Cyclops, Storm, and Jean Grey being the current X-Men team, which then segues very nicely into X-Men.

 

[chaseter]

It already tosses out the continuity of X-Men Origins Wolverine because the next movie won't be in the 80s, Xavier is wheelchair bound, and James isn't a cgi plastic man.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I dont consider contradicting one scene as throwing out the continuity of an entire film.

Anyways, Wolverine isn't in the 80's. Its in the 70's at the latest. But these movies have never been set in a strict timeframe, including Wolverine, which the only allusion to time is a reference to Three Mile Island.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wolverine is in the 80s. Their time with Stryker came after the Vietnam War. Six years later equals the 80s.

 

[marvelrobbins]

To have Cyclops In Sequel first off you have to say X-Men and X2 occured In 1990's(and The Last Stand If that remains In Film Cannon) and then you have to jump ahead to
at least mid 1970's for him to be age he Is In earlier films(James marsden Is actully younger than both Famke Janssen and halle berry but It Is accepted Cyclops Is suspose to be same age In Films as Jean and Storm) and I don't see the sequel jumping that far.If vaughn directs the sequel the latest I see it Is a jump to early 1970's.Bryan Singer has mentioned the sequels In 1970's and 1980's.

And they aren't spending more time worrying about fitting with Wolverine.The Wolverine Is disting Itself from Wolverine.And Deadpool Is completly being made ignoring Wolverine with the script directly mocking Wolverine.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Wolverine is in the 80s. Their time with Stryker came after the Vietnam War. Six years later equals the 80s.

No its not in the 80's.

Vietnam occurred during the 60's and 70's, and the movie doesn't specify which years of the Vietnam war it takes place during. What happened with Logan and Victor could have been the beginning of Vietnam.

The only reference to a specific time is Three Mile Island, which is if the movie is trying to imply that this story is what caused the meltdown. That was in the 70's.

 

[X-Maniac]

No its not in the 80's.

Vietnam occurred during the 60's and 70's, and the movie doesn't specify which years of the Vietnam war it takes place during. What happened with Logan and Victor could have been the beginning of Vietnam.

The only reference to a specific time is Three Mile Island, which is if the movie is trying to imply that this story is what caused the meltdown. That was in the 70's.

Well, it seemed to me that the Three Mile Island accident (which occurred in 1979) had already happened. Gambit and Wolverine's conversation in the plane implies that Stryker had been able to operate there, without interference or detection, because people were staying away from the place after the partial meltdown of one of the reactors.

Also, it was a partial meltdown in the real incident, not a cooling tower collapse.

It could simply have been an alternative version of real-world events though, just as the Cuban Missile Crisis didn't play out exactly as it did in First Class.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That's how I took it, as the events of first class are not historically accurate. The real world history is just a general backdrop. That's how I took three mile island.

But there again is the point that these films aren't set in a specific timeframe.

Three mile island was '79 so okay, my bad. Any movie post wolverine would be in the 80's.

But the movie doesn't say anything specific to the events of three mile island. It just puts the climax there.

Was the story the cause of the meltdown? Then its '79, placing logans Vietnam experience in '73. Was it post meltdown? Then it could take place at any time post April 1979. Is the movie disregarding real world events altogether and just putting the climax in three mile island with no relation to the real world meltdown? It could be any time.

So who knows, really? The timeline is so ambiguous and always has been. A simple contradiction of when a guy walked or didn't walk is hardly a tossing out of continuity of an entire film. The films have had minor contradictions in them since x2 made some contradictions to the first film. First class has timeline contradictions within its own story. I doubt first class is throwing out its own continuity and rebooting itself half hour in.

 

[chaseter]

So JFK was president in 1976 if we are using the alternate timeline approach? That means they can introduce teenage Jean and Cyclops in the next movie so it can have perfect continuity! Yes, lets change historical events that occur during these movies so that we can have perfect continuity between 4 films. That makes total sense. JFK was President in the 1970s, Three Mile Island happened in the mid 1970s...perfect!

Wolverine was set in the 80s. Cyclops was a teenager so he could be 30 something in 2000. Three Mile Island already happened. The Vietnam war ended in the late 70s and Stryker meets Wolverine after he quits the team 6 years later which means the 80s, the clothing isn't the 70s, the way people talked wasn't the 70s...it was set in the 80s. You can wish and hypothesize all you want but I bet you everything in the bank that the film makers, writers, Fox, etc. had Wolverine set in the early 1980s.

The earliest, earliest this movie could possibly be set in is late 1979. Meaning winter of 1979. But that is one year difference between saying it was 1980 so ohhhhhhh.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Was it ever actually said that Wolverine first meets Stryker at the end of the Vietnam War? The war officially ended in 1975 and it pretty much lasted all throughout the 60's.

 

[chaseter]

Nobody knows when they first met. We are talking about when he leaves. Wolverine leaves Team X and he meets Stryker exactly 6 years later. The major time indicator for this movie is the Three Mile Island event but apparently some people think history can be skewed to allow for proper continuity. That means that the Cuban Missile Crisis could have happened in the late 60s or early 70s if we are skewing history. That means that they got the year subtitles wrong in First Class. Someone call Mathew Vaughn.

 

[Majik1387]

A good amount of First Class negates W, so I don't know why any of this is up for debate or discussion.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I assumed Wolverine ended up in 1979 because I just figured the battle with Deadpool was intended to be the "real" cause of the Three Mile Island accident.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

A good amount of First Class negates W, so I don't know why any of this is up for debate or discussion.

Not really. The only thing negated by first class is the contradiction of Xavier walking at the end. One scene. Nothing else in the film contradicts Wolverine.

 

[Majik1387]

Yes really, from the inclusion of Emma Frost, the parylization of Charles, age of Stryker, Three Mile Island time frame, Cuban Missile Crisis(despite your personal view of how the movies are treating them), etc.

 

[BestGirl]

Yes really, from the inclusion of Emma Frost, the parylization of Charles, age of Stryker, Three Mile Island time frame, Cuban Missile Crisis(despite your personal view of how the movies are treating them), etc.

I thought the Stryker in FC was the father of the Stryker in XOW.

 

[chaseter]

I assumed Wolverine ended up in 1979 because I just figured the battle with Deadpool was intended to be the "real" cause of the Three Mile Island accident.

Nope. There was nobody at Three Mile Island so that means it was deserted so that Stryker could set up his base there. So, an incident would have already had to have happened for it to be deserted for him to use it as his secret base.

 

[chaseter]

I thought the Stryker in FC was the father of the Stryker in XOW.

He was. We don't know the age of William Stryker during First Class. Charles only mentions Agent Stryker was thinking about his son William. He could have been 15 or he could have been 30...don't know. Stryker in X2 looked to be in his late 50s to me so in 1962 he would have to be around 20 something.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yes really, from the inclusion of Emma Frost, the parylization of Charles, age of Stryker, Three Mile Island time frame, Cuban Missile Crisis(despite your personal view of how the movies are treating them), etc.

Only the paralyzation of Xavier.

William Stryker isn't in first class, thus he is not a contradiction.

Emma Frost was un named in Wolverine, and to my understanding not even credited as Emma Frost in the credits. Hardly a significant contradiction.

What does the Cuban missile crisis have to do with 3 mile island when the stories aren't interlaced? Even with me mistaken about three mile island and when it happened, that doesn't conflict with first class in any way. They are separate stories that dont connect or conflict in any way.

The only contradiction is xavier's paralysis. That's it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVQxtUoH7ew

Someone lied to the poor actress.

 

[BestGirl]

Only the paralyzation of Xavier.

William Stryker isn't in first class, thus he is not a contradiction.

Emma Frost was un named in Wolverine, and to my understanding not even credited as Emma Frost in the credits. Hardly a significant contradiction.

What does the Cuban missile crisis have to do with 3 mile island when the stories aren't interlaced? Even with me mistaken about three mile island and when it happened, that doesn't conflict with first class in any way. They are separate stories that dont connect or conflict in any way.

The only contradiction is xavier's paralysis. That's it.

But what are the odds that there would be two blond mutants named Emma with diamond mutations? Actually, I'm not even sure what about Emma Frost being in FC contradicts about her in XOW? Is it her age?

As for Xavier's paralysis, perhaps Hank or someone else invents a temporary cure for it.

 

[Project862006]

I thought the Stryker in FC was the father of the Stryker in XOW.

charles specifically say in that meeting that he knew what that guy was thinknig of " his son William"