Days of Future Past "Only have one more new character" in sequel says Vaughn

[Alexei Belyakov]

Because he's far from near-perfect. I was happy with him in X1, wasn't a fan of him in X2, but I got over it because the movie was good enough, X3 is bet left forgotten, Wolverine Origins doesn't exist in my mind, and his cameo was the worst in First Class.

I literally jumped when I read this

That cameo got the biggest and greatest audience reaction during the five screenings I've attended since the film's release.

Something tells me its not Jackman you dislike - but old Wolvie.

That cameo was gold.

 

[X Knight]

well then, we'll just have to agree to disagree about the height issue. Personally, I feel that Wolverine's height is an important part of his character. But, we'll just leave it at that...........

I do agree that, personality wise, his cameo in First Class was golden. That's how Wolverine should be............

 

[BMM]

Read through the last few pages - the argument being that Wolverine robbed Cyclops of his role in the picture.

"Actual scenes featuring Logan are being called Cyclops scenes, scenes clearly written for Logan required Cyclops, etc..."

By killing Cyclops, the writers made Wolverine responsible for putting an end to Jean's menace. This works better (not for the fans of course) because Logan's adamantium becomes necessary in order to kill her. It also allows the character to grow by being given such a great responsibility, which also adds more weight to his infatuation with her. Logan's arc with the X-Men comes full circle when Xavier smiles at him before exploding. He realizes the once loner rebel will be the man who will save the others by killing Jean. That was a major win in my eyes regarding the character's development throughout the series.

He began isolated and selfish and ended up protecting his new "family" from the family member he cared about the most.

To the comics fans the aforementioned writing was all blasphemy and "awful" storytelling. It belonged to Cyclops and only Cyclops because Logan is not allowed to grow or develop (even though during the much loved X1 and X2 he was already growing and developing ). To the GA, it was just fine.

X3 really got a raw deal from the fans.

I've still yet to see where anyone says Cyclops should be the star of X-Men 3, or is this all simply stemming from the mindset that turns one page into a few and where people are out to get Wolverine because they don't want him to grow and develop as a character?

 

[MARVEL ROCKS]

http://collider.com/tom-cohen-the-wolverine-ant-man-x-men-sequels/99163/

Video interview of Marvel Studios VP of Production talking about X-men:FC. From his tone, it seems the sequel may or may not be made. I guess he too feels that the movie underperformed domestically so the sequel is in no way guaranteed. Expected.

 

[X Knight]

http://collider.com/tom-cohen-the-wolverine-ant-man-x-men-sequels/99163/

Video interview of Marvel Studios VP of Production talking about X-men:FC. From his tone, it seems the sequel may or may not be made. I guess he too feels that the movie underperformed domestically so the sequel is in no way guaranteed. Expected.

that kind of sucks.

I do hope a sequel is made because I loved First Class. I felt the X-men franchise was growing stale with X3 and Wolverine, but FC revitalized my interest in the franchise.

Perhaps one reason why FC underperformed was the lack of the "popular," recognizable mutants.

When I first heard of FC, I thought it was going to be about young Jean, Scott, Storm, etc. Then, when I heard those characters wouldn't be in it, and instead would focus mostly on "lesser known" characters, I actually lost interest and had no plans to see it. Only after watching the trailers and tv spots did my interest spike again.

I'm glad I saw FC. But, perhaps one way for the sequel to perform better would be to start including the more major characters like Jean and Scott.

I know I will be extremely disappointed if Jean and Scott ( Jean especially ) are not included in future films. I want to see Phoenix done right!!

 

[Majik1387]

FC probably underperformed because people felt the quality of the movies were dying with X3 and Wolverine and decided not to give FC a shot.

 

[WeasleyIsRKing]

I agree Majik...I wasn't planning on seeing it myself. A friend said he was going to see it, and I thought....why not? So I went with him and loved it. I do think X3 and Wolverine have hurt this movie though.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Yeah, almost everyone wanted to count this movie out.

I don't understand how FOX didn't expect this. They need to go ahead and get the sequel made. They should use their common sense and realize that people didn't see First Class just because they were disinterested in seeing another X-Men movie.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Yeah, almost everyone wanted to count this movie out.

I don't understand how FOX didn't expect this. They need to go ahead and get the sequel made. They should use their common sense and realize that people didn't see First Class just because they were disinterested in seeing another X-Men movie.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Perhaps one reason why FC underperformed was the lack of the "popular," recognizable mutants.

Well there was Charles, Magneto, Mystique, Beast, and a Wolverine cameo, to go along with two mutants who I'm sure were confused with others, since this lady behind me kept asking, "Is that Cyclops?"

 

[WeasleyIsRKing]

A sequel would do much better than FC. It would build on the good word of mouth that FC will continue to get. There would be much more anticipation for FC 2 by the time it comes out than FC was getting. I predict a much better Box Office for FC2, if they decide to make it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

FC probably underperformed because people felt the quality of the movies were dying with X3 and Wolverine and decided not to give FC a shot.

Fans, maybe, but I have yet to meet one person outside of the comic book or internet fanbase that disliked those movies in the least bit.

 

[Majik1387]

I'm simply going by the box office, not just the fans.

While X3 and Wolvie made their budget back plus a bit extra, their extra was a considerably less than the extra that X1 and X2 made; Wolvie having less than X3.

The decline in that success could be due to anything, but the decline is there no matter how you may wanna try to defend it.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

X-Men: The Last Stand blew X2 out of the water at the box office, but they also let that budget get out of control also, hence the "extra". So X2 was much more profitable than X-Men: The Last Stand, even though the latter made more money.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I have heard from others In my family that thought the X-Men were losing steam by
time of Last Stand.

Critics and X-Men fans had mostly mixed reaction to Last Stand.While Wolverine has
mostly negative reaction from both fans and Critics.

Superman comic book fanboys may complain all they want about Superman Returns but critics and general audence certainly didn't put It In Batman and Robin catergry.

Internet users can complain all they want about the Star Wars prequels and Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal Skull but the facts remains they were hugh sucess
because there were those who liked them.And I was one of them.

Danial Craig Bond fanboys may put down Pierce Brosnon and try to say the franchise
was In decline but reality Is Brosnon revived the series after timothy Dalton's time(and to be fair the writers and Producers deserve some of the blame) and proved all those who said Bond wasn't relvent after The Cold War wrong.

Let's take these facts. The more Internet praised batman begins domesticly gross 5 million more than Superman Returns.

The Internet bashed Die Another Day grossed 160 Domesticly In 2002.The more Internet
prasied Casino Royale grossed 167 Million domesticly In 2006.In 2008 Quontum of Solace
which was less recived postivly than Casino Royale grossed 168 Million Domesticly.

Indina Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystall Skull Is highest grossing indiana JOnes film.

If It hadn't been for the 1997 Special editions Both The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith would he higher than A New Hope Domesticly.And Attack of the Clones would have been higher than Return of the Jedi.The Empire Strikes back rated higher online Is actully the lowest grossing Star Wars Film.

For years fanboys attacked Return of the Jedi yet now they forget all that and call It great and bash the prequels.

 

[marvelrobbins]

X-Men: The Last Stand blew X2 out of the water at the box office, but they also let that budget get out of control also, hence the "extra". So X2 was much more profitable than X-Men: The Last Stand, even though the latter made more money.

That was partly because how well X2 went over with people.It created
a lot of anticaption for the next film.

 

[Figs]

Fans, maybe, but I have yet to meet one person outside of the comic book or internet fanbase that disliked those movies in the least bit.

I've met a good amount of people who make up the GA that didn't like X3. Mainly because all the unnecessary deaths of main characters as a cheap way to add emotional drama.

It works both ways, it's not only fanboys who disliked that movie, or even Origins. I'm sure the majority of hate is from fanboys, but most of the reasons why are spot on usually.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

They are out there, certainly.

I just have a hard time believing that the GA hates those movies as much as the die hard fanbase does when everyone I've encountered across 2 states and multiple age groups all tell me how much they love 3 and Wolverine. I've had more than one person tell me they thought Wolverine was the best in the series, and tell me how badass they thought the character was.

There are certainly legit reasons to be upset with the films as adaptations (although I still don't see all the outrage with Wolverine), but as movies in general they aren't as bad as they are made out to be. Not in my book anyways.

 

[henzINNIT]

To the comics fans the aforementioned writing was all blasphemy and "awful" storytelling. It belonged to Cyclops and only Cyclops because Logan is not allowed to grow or develop (even though during the much loved X1 and X2 he was already growing and developing ).

X3 really got a raw deal from the fans.

The irony here of course is that the opposite happened. In order to give Wolverine all this development, the writers kill off the actual leader of the team and the husband and true love of the film's villain.

Logan was already developing indeed. At the end of X2, Logan chose to be with the X-Men. In order to give him an arc in X3, the writers actually force the character backwards so he can learn to chose the team again (pretty "awful" storytelling there).

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

The irony here of course is that the opposite happened. In order to give Wolverine all this development, the writers kill off the actual leader of the team and the husband and true love of the film's villain.

Those are facts that are only set in stone in the books.

I can ask a regular GA moviegoer "Who's the leader of The X-Men [films]?" and most of them will answer "Wolverine."

In the films, Wolverine is the main man. Bryan Singer and the studio made that (intelligent) decision when concocting X1.

Cyclops may be "the actual leader of the team and true love of Jean Grey" in the comics, but that doesn't mean it would have worked onscreen.

Singer himself talked alot about pushing for Logan and Jean's love affair. Why? Because unlike her relationship with Scott - it was interesting.

Again, you can't have Jimmy Marsden playing the protagonist of a major summer blockbuster in favor of Hugh Jackman just because he's "The actual leader of the X-Men". Not to mention he was never the actual leader in the first two films.

Jackman commanded all three films.

Logan was already developing indeed. At the end of X2, Logan chose to be with the X-Men. In order to give him an arc in X3, the writers actually force the character backwards so he can learn to chose the team again (pretty "awful" storytelling there).

I don't follow your reasoning at all.

-At the end of X2 he chose to be with the X-Men. At the beginning of X3 he was playing the role of a teacher to the X-Men.

How is at making him go backwards?

He never has to learn to choose the team again in X3. He is in the team throughout the entire film. Again, how is at that a step backwards for him?

Some people argue that the problem with X3 was that Logan acted like Cyclops the whole time because the "real" Logan would just pick up and leave rather than playing a leadership role.

Now you argue the opposite.

I tell you, IMO, most people don't even know why they don't like Wolverine in X3. I actually rewatched it with the wife after I read some of the comments on this board and we both kept looking at each other like we missed something.

Wanting Cyclops to have command of the picture and not getting it is not a valid reason to dislike Wolverine.

 

[BMM]

FC probably underperformed because people felt the quality of the movies were dying with X3 and Wolverine and decided not to give FC a shot.

My cousin is one of those people. He refused to see First Class on account of how bad the last two movies were. He said he was looking forward to Green Lantern, instead. Whoops.

 

[X Knight]

Making Wolverine the "main" character of the X-men films wasn't exactly a bad idea. After all, it was important to establish an "outside" character through which the audience can view the world of the X-men.

However, making Wolverine the central and most important character, at the expense of pretty much all other characters WAS a mistake.

Even if Wolverine is the main character, there's NO reason why Cyclops couldn't have been established as the strong, "straight-arrow" team leader of the X-men. The field general who commands the team. The guy who all the young students respect. The guy who is perceived to be Xavier's next-in-line. And, the guy who is in a loving, stable relationship with Jean.

There's no reason why you couldn't have elevated the other characters to importance while still keeping Wolverine as the central character.

Indeed, making Cyclops a stronger character ( both as a leader and lover of Jean ) would have made the dynamics with Wolverine even better.

and that's another reason why I really want to see Jean and Scott "redone" in the First Class series. One reason why I enjoyed FC so much was that, aside from the brief Wolverine cameo, it actually placed emphasis on the OTHER mutants and characters in the X-men universe.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Making Wolverine the "main" character of the X-men films wasn't exactly a bad idea. After all, it was important to establish an "outside" character through which the audience can view the world of the X-men.

However, making Wolverine the central and most important character, at the expense of pretty much all other characters WAS a mistake.

Even if Wolverine is the main character, there's NO reason why Cyclops couldn't have been established as the strong, "straight-arrow" team leader of the X-men. The field general who commands the team. The guy who all the young students respect. The guy who is perceived to be Xavier's next-in-line. And, the guy who is in a loving, stable relationship with Jean.

There's no reason why you couldn't have elevated the other characters to importance while still keeping Wolverine as the central character.

Indeed, making Cyclops a stronger character ( both as a leader and lover of Jean ) would have made the dynamics with Wolverine even better.

I dissagree. Here's why:

-Wolverine was the central character of X1. It pretty much revived the comic book genre and paved the way for all the great and serious comic book adaptations in the last 11 years, including X2, through positive BO returns and good critical reaction.

-Wolverine was again the central character of X2 and we got what I still think is the best X-Men movie to date and probably second best comic book movie of all time (behing TDK). It made great numbers at the BO and we got a sequel.

-Wolverine continues to be the central character in X3 and while the hardcore fans don't like it (mainly because Scott is killed) the film still performs strongly at the BO, leading to a sequel starring again - Wolverine.

-Origins sucked as a movie, but with its protagonist Wolverine, manages to make good money for the studio.

The pattern demonstrates that having Hugh Jackman/Logan as the protagonist of your movie will without a doubt make you money (First Class is doing poorly and Wolverine just happens to be in cameo form only).

To have had Jackman share his prominence throughout the films with Marsden would have been a huge mistake financially and critically. Remember, Bryan Singer, NOT Brett Ratner, directed X1 and X2. Singer put Cyclops in the back seat in favor of Wolverine and it proved to be a smart decision.

and that's another reason why I really want to see Jean and Scott "redone" in the First Class series. One reason why I enjoyed FC so much was that, aside from the brief Wolverine cameo, it actually placed emphasis on the OTHER mutants and characters in the X-men universe.

I'm all for that, but the studio might not be. They took a gamble making an X-Men movie without Wolverine and they're having a bad run at the BO. While the movie is excellent, its not finding the audience Jackman's movies, good or bad, found time after time.

Something tells me the Wolverine sequel, even without the coveted May spot of 2013, will still bank more than First Class. Hopefully it'll be just as good, or better.

 

[X Knight]

well, you could also say that having a different actor for Cyclops might have made a difference.

just because it seems making Jackman's Wolverine the center of the X-men films was a smart move financially and/or critically, does not make it a decision I agree with.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

well, you could also say that having a different actor for Cyclops might have made a difference.

just because it seems making Jackman's Wolverine the center of the X-men films was a smart move financially and/or critically, does not make it a decision I agree with.

I was perfectly fine with his absence from First Class as a protagonist because Fassbender is such a brilliant actor (can't wait for A Dangerous Method) and the story really didn't call for his presence.

I think a non-Wolverine X-Men First Class sequel starring Aaron Johnson as Scott Summers with Sinister as a villain could make Jackman numbers at the BO.

I just hope we get one.