Days of Future Past "Only have one more new character" in sequel says Vaughn

[tedw]

Synch is supposed to be a civil rights leader and main theme in the next movie is about civil rights.

I understand how he could be linked. I'm questioning why the linked article made Synch a definite, because he's not mentioned by Singer at all. It doesn't seem like the jury's out yet.

 

[Midnight Black]

They can save him for FC2 and then pull the black guy dies first again.

Not funny. He better not die lol.

 

[X-Maniac]

D*mn it SuperSoldier you're killing me lol. Are you saying I'm wrong by whining and complaining that the only BLACK mutant was the first to be killed? LOL, his return doesn't have to have some great importance. He just comes back and life goes on. Problem solved.

However, I don't want him coming back. I don't see the point. All I was saying was it is ashamed that even in a mutant movie that the black man still gets the short end of the stick. Also what was the meaning of his role? Did his death really signify some great importance?

We're going to have to be careful with this discussion. Two threads about it were closed.

I don't think his death was racist, nor was his inclusion a case of tokenism. His death spurred Xavier to train the team. Mystique says "We can't even bury him", Magneto says "No, but we can avenge him" and Xavier agrees after some hesitation over them just being kids. In addition, Darwin dies in the comics as a member of an early team, although mainstream audiences wouldn't know that.

Having said that, the death did not take account of the perceptions and sensitivities of all viewers and it ended up fitting Hollywood cliche, even though never intending to do so. It was rather ill-judged. I think they were simply choosing to use a character that bites the dust in the comics, so his death would not cause upset like those in X3 did, but because it was a black character it has caused a different kind of upset.

I doubt they'll bring him back (though it's possible) but at least we now have Singer mentioning that Civil Rights are likely to feature in the next movie. I was saying this all along, that to put Civil Rights on top of the Cold War and the Holocaust in this first film would be laying it on a bit thick. In 1963, a year after the events of First Class we have Martin Luther King's iconic 'I Have A Dream' speech, which ties in nicely with Xavier's own idealistic dream.

We definitely need more ethnic minority representation in the next film, and another female X-Men member too.

Synch or Sunspot seem good choices for male ethnic minority mutants.

 

[Midnight Black]

We're going to have to be careful with this discussion. Two threads about it were closed.

I don't think his death was racist, nor was his inclusion a case of tokenism. His death spurred Xavier to train the team. Mystique says "We can't even bury him", Magneto says "No, but we can avenge him" and Xavier agrees after some hesitation over them just being kids. In addition, Darwin dies in the comics as a member of an early team, although mainstream audiences wouldn't know that.

Having said that, the death did not take account of the perceptions and sensitivities of all viewers and it ended up fitting Hollywood cliche, even though never intending to do so. It was rather ill-judged. I think they were simply choosing to use a character that bites the dust in the comics, so his death would not cause upset like those in X3 did, but because it was a black character it has caused a different kind of upset.

I doubt they'll bring him back (though it's possible) but at least we now have Singer mentioning that Civil Rights are likely to feature in the next movie. I was saying this all along, that to put Civil Rights on top of the Cold War and the Holocaust in this first film would be laying it on a bit thick. In 1963, a year after the events of First Class we have Martin Luther King's iconic 'I Have A Dream' speech, which ties in nicely with Xavier's own idealistic dream.

We definitely need more ethnic minority representation in the next film, and another female X-Men member too.

Synch or Sunspot seem good choices for male ethnic minority mutants.

Good post. Yeah, I'm not bitter about dude dying. I was just pointing out the obvious and was being that "typical angry black guy" in the room lol. Nothing major. Yeah I was like WTF during the movie and even shouted it out at the theatre, actually a lot of people did white and black which was funny, but I'm over it.

It's funny how the filmmakers chose certain things to follow in accordance to the comics and those things just happen to be the ones audiences get upset over.

 

[X-Maniac]

Good post. Yeah, I'm not bitter about dude dying. I was just pointing out the obvious and was being that "typical angry black guy" in the room lol. Nothing major. Yeah I was like WTF during the movie and even shouted it out at the theatre, actually a lot of people did white and black which was funny, but I'm over it.

It's funny how the filmmakers chose certain things to follow in accordance to the comics and those things just happen to be the ones audiences get upset over.

Yes, that's the trouble with comic book adaptations. You have a mainstream audience who don't know jack about the comics and then you have comic book fans who know everything and want it to happen the same way on screen as much as possible. Pleasing both sides is impossible.

The trouble is that if you'd given him even more screentime and made people care a lot, then what happened might cause even more upset. He was a catalyst for the plot, because that character dies in the comics, but the implications were obviously not fully considered.

 

[Nokio]

We're going to have to be careful with this discussion. Two threads about it were closed.

I don't think his death was racist, nor was his inclusion a case of tokenism. His death spurred Xavier to train the team. Mystique says "We can't even bury him", Magneto says "No, but we can avenge him" and Xavier agrees after some hesitation over them just being kids. In addition, Darwin dies in the comics as a member of an early team, although mainstream audiences wouldn't know that.

Having said that, the death did not take account of the perceptions and sensitivities of all viewers and it ended up fitting Hollywood cliche, even though never intending to do so. It was rather ill-judged. I think they were simply choosing to use a character that bites the dust in the comics, so his death would not cause upset like those in X3 did, but because it was a black character it has caused a different kind of upset.

I doubt they'll bring him back (though it's possible) but at least we now have Singer mentioning that Civil Rights are likely to feature in the next movie. I was saying this all along, that to put Civil Rights on top of the Cold War and the Holocaust in this first film would be laying it on a bit thick. In 1963, a year after the events of First Class we have Martin Luther King's iconic 'I Have A Dream' speech, which ties in nicely with Xavier's own idealistic dream.

We definitely need more ethnic minority representation in the next film, and another female X-Men member too.

Synch or Sunspot seem good choices for male ethnic minority mutants.

Yeah it's a shame that so called adults can't have a discussion without some going in the gutter.It ends up being for the best before it goes to far.

 

[Midnight Black]

Yes, that's the trouble with comic book adaptations. You have a mainstream audience who don't know jack about the comics and then you have comic book fans who know everything and want it to happen the same way on screen as much as possible. Pleasing both sides is impossible.

The trouble is that if you'd given him even more screentime and made people care a lot, then what happened might cause even more upset. He was a catalyst for the plot, because that character dies in the comics, but the implications were obviously not fully considered.

Yeah, oh well. They could have at least killed Riptide lol. Next subject.

 

[Still Wynning]

I doubt they'll bring him back (though it's possible) but at least we now have Singer mentioning that Civil Rights are likely to feature in the next movie. I was saying this all along, that to put Civil Rights on top of the Cold War and the Holocaust in this first film would be laying it on a bit thick. In 1963, a year after the events of First Class we have Martin Luther King's iconic 'I Have A Dream' speech, which ties in nicely with Xavier's own idealistic dream.

We definitely need more ethnic minority representation in the next film, and another female X-Men member too.

Synch or Sunspot seem good choices for male ethnic minority mutants.

I agree with this.

I think it's such a great time period to base an X-Men movie around because:

-Professor X and Magneto are respectively based off of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X, two of the biggest leaders of the Civil Rights Movement during the 60's. Xavier, like MLK, Jr., believe in a world where mutants (blacks) and humans could co-exist. Magneto, like Malcolm X, believed that humans (whites) would never accept them into society, and that equality could only be achieved through violence.

-It would be cool to have scene with Charles and the rest of X-Men witnessing MLK, Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech. You could even have Charles and Erik at the debate for the Civil Rights Act and parallel the infamous 1-minute meeting between MLK, Jr. and Malcom X to Charles and Erik (kind of like the beginning of X-Men). Maybe even have an exchange between them like this:

"Humanity can't even accept its own kind. They will never accept us."
"There's always hope."
"Good luck with that."

-This is also the time of the 3rd wave of the Feminist Movement. It would be interesting to see Emma Frost, Mystique and Angel Salvadore react to that in some form or fashion, whether getting involved in some way or something else.

Again, there's so much good storytelling possibilities for an X-Men movie set in this time period.

 

[X Knight]

at some point, I just want to see young Jean and Scott..........

 

[BestGirl]

I seriously doubt it'll happen, but I would be totally fine with Darwin coming back...

Not only are his powers make for an interesting visual, but it would stop all of the whining and complaining around the internet about him. On the other hand, it would really take away from the meaning of his role in the first movie. So as I said, if he comes back in the sequel, he would have to be cruicial to a turning point of the movie's storyline.

He barely had a role in XFC. I'm all for bringing Darwin back.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

Oh God, why did I even bring it up again...

 

[Midnight Black]

Oh God, why did I even bring it up again...

LOL

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Yes, that's the trouble with comic book adaptations. You have a mainstream audience who don't know jack about the comics and then you have comic book fans who know everything and want it to happen the same way on screen as much as possible. Pleasing both sides is impossible.

Very well said. I think that's the main reason The Last Stand gets so much hate here in these forums. To the general audience its a pretty good movie but to any fanboy its the worst movie ever made.

First Class is a fantastic movie but it has its problems and many of them are similar to The Last Stand's - although we're not gonna be hearing any negative comments about Vaughn or about Singer for that matter - which had pretty much the same problems.

In X1 we have Sabertooth and Toad. Both under-developed and terribly acted.

In X2 we have perhaps the fewest of problems because everyone that matters or that the story concerns pretty much has an arc.

In X3 its Angel and Juggernaut - although I think Juggernaut's arc was too broad to explore so having him as muscle was the right way to introduce him. Yeah, Shadowcat and Colossus don't have much to do but can you really give 20 people an arc in a 2 hour movie?

In First Class the above problem is the same with Havok, Banshee, Darwin, Angel, Azazel, Riptide and Emma. Does the fact that we really have no idea who they are make it a bad film? No.

 

[Majik1387]

Except that the general audience didn't care much for X3. They didn't hate it or anything, but everyone trying to say the general audience loved it and the comic fans hated it is getting to be a tired excuse.

 

[Midnight Black]

Yes, X3 was good and entertaining and I'm both a movie fan and a comic fanboy. Yeah it was WAY out of the box, but it brought something different to the X-Men franchise that was missing. A story that moved with good pace timing with some good action. I was so tired of the Wolverine story that took forever to get to the climax lol.

However, X3 is no X2 in regards to overall story. No I'm not being contradictory. X2 had a good story to it.

I think there were many people that liked X3 both fanboys and GA. Now Wolverine was a whole other story. My mind and eyes were literally raped lol. It had about 10 mins of good footage and that's being generous.

 

[psyonic]

X2 set up the perfect direction for X3, in terms of Phoenix and in the end it fell short, that's all. In hindsight, they should have left Jean out of the first and second act in and focused on the cure plot, then have Jean resurrect at the end of the third act leading into X4 for the mother of all cliff hangers in cinematic history lol .. The Dark Phoenix saga was one of the biggest storylines in X-Men history and it deserved much more than what we got.

 

[X Knight]

X2 set up the perfect direction for X3, in terms of Phoenix and in the end it fell short, that's all. In hindsight, they should have left Jean out of the first and second act in and focused on the cure plot, then have Jean resurrect at the end of the third act leading into X4 for the mother of all cliff hangers in cinematic history lol .. The Dark Phoenix saga was one of the biggest storylines in X-Men history and it deserved much more than what we got.

^ this

and I'm holding onto hope that the direction and subsequent films launched by First Class will allow us to revisit the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix storyline, closer to how Singer envisioned it.

 

[Phantom_Kali]

Probably makes the most logical sense, and besides, I for one still want to see the real Cyclops. In the previous trilogy, I felt it was a highly bastardized version, and for all intents and purposes, never really felt like the leader he should be

Yeah, I feel the same way. Scott is one of my favorite X-Men characters and it was really disappointing what they did with him in the trilogy.

 

[By your Command]

While I would still love Cecilia Reyes or Sunfire, tonight I'm thinking Psylocke played by Maggie Q.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Who the heck is Tony Rich!!!!!!!

I don't believe that will be the case even if it were true. The Box office is lower then FOX wanted. Even if FC makes enough to get a sequel FOX is gonna want a way found to include Wolverine, heck maybe even Halle Berry/Storm. I read headlines already saying that FC suffered because of no big name stars like Jackman and Berry. I hope that won't be the case but the suits will feel it is and want Wolverine shoehorned in somehow. They may just go with X4 altogether.

Tony Rich? As in "The Tony Rich Project?"

Kinda weird casting if you ask me, since he's almost 40 and that article says the character is 18 years old.

 

[Midnight Black]

X2 set up the perfect direction for X3, in terms of Phoenix and in the end it fell short, that's all. In hindsight, they should have left Jean out of the first and second act in and focused on the cure plot, then have Jean resurrect at the end of the third act leading into X4 for the mother of all cliff hangers in cinematic history lol .. The Dark Phoenix saga was one of the biggest storylines in X-Men history and it deserved much more than what we got.

Agreed, but I don't think they were ever going to go with the Alien theme, even if they said they were. In the end they went out with a bang, which is what I think they really wanted so that they could revamp things later.

Cyclops never gets his due respect and in all honest the dude is a badass.

X4 & X5 will rock if that ever happens.

Oh and Maggie Q, Moon Bloodgood, or Stephanie Jacobsen as Psylocke.

 

[By your Command]

...or Stephanie Jacobsen as Psylocke.

God I love Stephanie Jacobsen but she just can't get a break, at this rate she'll be Kendra Shaw forever.

 

[SuperSoldier985]

I've never heard of her, but she certainly looks nice..

I dunno, I've never thought of Psylocke as all that interesting..

 

[Midnight Black]

She was in the Terminator tv show and in the Melrose Place 2009 series. She was good in both. Man she is hot. Please put her in a comic movie.

 

[By your Command]

I've never heard of her, but she certainly looks nice..

I dunno, I've never thought of Psylocke as all that interesting..

No only that she has this cute little raspy voice that's just...

Yeah you're right about Psylocke, but I mean the X-Men movie world allows for characters like Psylocke to get complete personality makeovers, just look at X3.