Part VI (Spoiler Thread)

[Drizzle]

You know, for a show that wasn't met with overwhelming praise I have to say that Episodes 5 and 6 really pulled through and delivered.

The fight sequence was fantastic, especially the finale where we saw Anakin's face and the absolute horror and sadness in Obi-Wan's reaction. That was probably the best acting from both McGregor and Christensen as the two characters.

Seeing Owen and Beru in Papa and Mama Bear mode was cool, especially since Beru only had what, like one line in AOTC?

I also found myself tearing up a bit at Kenobi saying goodbye to Leia and meeting Luke. The "Hello there" gave me a good chuckle though.

Finally, seeing this guy's ghost was awesome even though we all knew it was coming.

Shoulda happened 17 years ago in Revenge of the Sith but better late than never.

Was this all necessary though? Did we need to see a pre-ANH Obi-Wan vs. Vader fight scene or two? To quote the immortal Colin Farrell's Bullseye in Daredevil, "Necessary? No. It was fun." At least the last two episodes were IMO. I'd still take this over the first four episodes of Book of Boba Fett any day.

 

[Johnny Richards]

It really was the rematch of the century. Visually striking & emotionally resonant.

McGregor and Christensen are simply fantastic. So grateful for Chow, Favreau, Filoni and everyone else from Lucasfilm who made this possible.

We need Season 2!!!

 

[kguillou]

Good finale but…can someone explain to me Reva’s character and her motivation in this show? Why was she going after Luke? After we figured out that she was essentially an undercover spy last episode…why did she wanna kill Luke again?

 

[chintai80]

Good finale but…can someone explain to me Reva’s character and her motivation in this show? Why was she going after Luke? After we figured out that she was essentially an undercover spy last episode…why did she wanna kill Luke again?

she wasn't able to kill vader so she wanted to kill his child, which is the next best thing in her mind.
as a form of payback for how vader killed all the children and her friends at the jedi temple.

not rational, but i think that was the point. she was becoming like vader - driven by anger and hate.

 

[Johnny Richards]

Did we need to see a pre-ANH Obi-Wan vs. Vader fight scene or two?

Yes.

 

[BlackFox]

Well they nailed the landing, I will give them that. The fight was suitably epic and emotional, makes you wonder why we couldnt get that level of stuff in the movies but hey, Im sure there will always be a next time.

Overall this was decent, it was a bit rocky in the early episodes and the whole Reva thing just fell flat for me and I still have issues with these bits filling in the gaps of movies sort of not having much threat to them knowing where all the pieces have to be for it all not to colapse but at least this was a fitting end for Obi-wan and Ewan really brought it throughout. A second season really wouldnt make any sense now with the way this finished.

Still, Vader was done really well here and could have done with more of him early on to really make those early episodes shine like this did.

Star Wars is a rocky road these days but more stuff like this and I will be happy. At least it proves when done right it can still hit the spot.

 

[vantheman77]

Whatever leaked was not all true, but some of it was.

Only Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth Vader epitomized the Jedi/ Sith duels.

 

[Johnny Richards]

Yup. Obi-Wan clearly wanted Luke to kill Vader

Wrong. George Lucas says so himself. Jedi don't send other Jedi to kill people. Part of why Yoda & Obi-Wan blatantly fail in ROTS. It's not the Jedi way. They're not acting like Jedi.

Not only is it explicit in dialogue, it is a core part of the dramatic tension in RotJ.

No. It is never said nor is it explicit in dialogue. Obi-Wan just wants Luke to FACE Vader. Not to kill him (again, per Lucas' own words). If Luke runs away to avoid fighting Vader again, The Emperor wins. Luke MUST go before Vader again [and turn him]. That's the shared plan Obi-Wan and Yoda have for Luke. Not the assassination of Darth Vader. Ridiculous.

Luke turning his father was something no-one thought would work. He didn't go there to enact his masters' plan, he succeeded by defying them and all expectations.

It was the plan Obi-Wan & Yoda had all along. Luke could have never beaten Vader. He had ONE MONTH of Jedi training. Vader was a 40-year Jedi/Sith by ROTJ.

Its ridiculous to think Obi-Wan & Yoda actually believed Luke could best Vader. They weren't sending him to his death.

 

[Gaultheria]

So many great moments in the finale.

One of them was Vader saying with a smile , " You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did ".

It was so creepy since we can't see what his expressions are behind the mask.

It makes me wonder how many times he had a sadistic grin on his face under the mask when thrashing imperial officers or toying with adversaries .

It also further justifies Obi Wan's , " From a certain point of view line" since Darth Vader truly is someone else.

I think Vader’s line shows that he feels guilt for what he did during Order 66. If Vader can blame his actions on Anakin as if that was someone other than himself, someone he defeated, then he doesn’t have to acknowledge the guilt that’s gnawing away at his conscience.

 

[Sithborg]

I liked the finale and the series as a whole. Considering my biggest issue with the series would invalidate the whole premise, all others are minor nitpicks. (Seriously Bail Auntie Sabe would have handled this with a fraction of the issues Kenobi brought)

They absolutely need to stop using the volume when doing night scenes. It doesn't work, period.

I enjoyed the score with the Obi/Vader match. A fun fight as well, despite the issues with volume and night.

It was great to see the slave freeing Lars I read about.

Happy to see that Lola>Obi-wan to Leia. Same, Leia, same.

Qui-gon's return, and the first thing he said to Obi-wan was perfect.

Over all, of the 4 seasons of live action we got, I would put it at #2.

 

[moviefreak]

she wasn't able to kill vader so she wanted to kill his child, which is the next best thing in her mind.
as a form of payback for how vader killed all the children and her friends at the jedi temple.

not rational, but i think that was the point. she was becoming like vader - driven by anger and hate.

It was never stated or indicated in the show that Reva knew that the child (Luke) is Vader's son.

I see Reva's arc as the writer's attempt to portray Reva who is not even a Sith showing mercy to Luke, who may be related to Vader but is also an innocent kid. This is also I believe the writer's attempting to differentiate Reva from Vader. I initially thought that Reva was Vader's apprentice in the first few episodes but half-way through I realised that she's just a Force sensitive corrupted into the Dark side.

 

[Gaultheria]

Luke: There's still good in him.

Obi-Wan: He's more machine now the man. Twisted and evil.

Luke: I can't do it, Ben.

Obi-Wan: You cannot escape your destiny. You must face Darth Vader again.

Luke: I can't kill my own father.

Obi-Wan: Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope.

How is that not Obi-Wan telling Luke to kill his papa? When Luke tells him he won't do it, he tells Luke, well that's ball game. The dark side wins, let's go home.

It’s a Socratic dialogue, complete with an old bearded guy in a robe. Ben isn’t advocating a course of action, he’s walking Luke through through the consequences of Luke’s poorly-thought-out plan. Luke doesn’t say that he won’t kill Vader, he says that he can’t. Mercy comes from a position of strength and from the willingness to use that strength if necessary. Ben is afraid that Luke is going to get himself killed on a doomed mission of mercy, and he wants Luke to understand that any interaction with Vader is probably going to be a duel to the death regardless of what Luke hopes to accomplish. At the very least, Luke will need to be willing and able to withstand Vader in a fight long enough to get away, and escape probably won’t turn out as well as it did last time.

 

[chintai80]

It was never stated or indicated in the show that Reva knew that the child (Luke) is Vader's son.

I see Reva's arc as the writer's attempt to portray Reva who is not even a Sith showing mercy to Luke, who may be related to Vader but is also an innocent kid. This is also I believe the writer's attempting to differentiate Reva from Vader. I initially thought that Reva was Vader's apprentice in the first few episodes but half-way through I realised that she's just a Force sensitive corrupted into the Dark side.

i think she put two and two together when she saw bail organa's message from obi-wan's broken transceiver that haja dropped.

 

[henzINNIT]

Wrong. George Lucas says so himself. Jedi don't send other Jedi to kill people. Part of why Yoda & Obi-Wan blatantly fail in ROTS. It's not the Jedi way. They're not acting like Jedi.

No. It is never said nor is it explicit in dialogue. Obi-Wan just wants Luke to FACE Vader. Not to kill him (again, per Lucas' own words). If Luke runs away to avoid fighting Vader again, The Emperor wins. Luke MUST go before Vader again [and turn him]. That's the shared plan Obi-Wan and Yoda have for Luke. Not the assassination of Darth Vader. Ridiculous.

It was the plan Obi-Wan & Yoda had all along. Luke could have never beaten Vader. He had ONE MONTH of Jedi training. Vader was a 40-year Jedi/Sith by ROTJ.

Its ridiculous to think Obi-Wan & Yoda actually believed Luke could best Vader. They weren't sending him to his death.

Obi-Wan literally tells Luke that Palps has already won if Luke is unwilling to kill Vader. He shuts down the idea of redemption, asserting that Vader is 'twisted and evil'.

Yoda literally says to Luke that it is unfortunate Luke knew Vader was his father. If Yoda intended for Luke to turn Vader, that wouldn't be unfortunate at all. It would be crucial.

Lucas' word is unreliable. Case in point: The shooting script for ROTJ where in addition to the above, Ben also outright tells Luke he must 'destroy' Vader. But whatever. Believe what you want pal. The text is clear, several people have pointed that out, but it ultimately makes no difference to anyone what your head-canon is.

 

[Gaultheria]

It was never stated or indicated in the show that Reva knew that the child (Luke) is Vader's son.

Reva hates Kenobi, too, because Kenobi failed to stop Anakin during Order 66. If all she can accomplish now is to hurt Kenobi by hurting the friends of the guy in Kenobi’s holomail, she’ll pursue that goal.

 

[moviefreak]

It’s a Socratic dialogue, complete with an old bearded guy in a robe.

Lol.

I doubt that Lucas understand Socratic method which this dialogue based on, i.e. dialogue between individuals asking and answering questions with old Kenobi as a stand in for Socrates.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Yes.

But why

 

[moviefreak]

Reva hates Kenobi, too, because Kenobi failed to stop Anakin during Order 66. If all she can accomplish now is to hurt Kenobi by hurting the friends of the guy in Kenobi’s holomail, she’ll pursue that goal.

I'm aware of Reva's anger/resentment against Kenobi especially with regards to Order 66. However, it wasn't well thought out on the reason why Reva thought that the child is important enough for her to go to Tatooine - I felt that it was the weakest part of the final episode.

 

[Johnny Richards]

It’s a Socratic dialogue, complete with an old bearded guy in a robe. Ben isn’t advocating a course of action, he’s walking Luke through through the consequences of Luke’s poorly-thought-out plan. Luke doesn’t say that he won’t kill Vader, he says that he can’t. Mercy comes from a position of strength and from the willingness to use that strength if necessary. Ben is afraid that Luke is going to get himself killed on a doomed mission of mercy, and he wants Luke to understand that any interaction with Vader is probably going to be a duel to the death regardless of what Luke hopes to accomplish. At the very least, Luke will need to be willing and able to withstand Vader in a fight long enough to get away, and escape probably won’t turn out as well as it did last time.

Finally some common sense regarding this topic.

I feel like most people who are convinced otherwise don't understand the Jedi. Jedi don't kill. This is why The Force wanted The Jedi gone during the PT. The Jedi had become hypocrites. They were acting like soldiers despite literally touting themselves as "Keepers of the peace. Not soldiers."

War, attack, assassination = not the Jedi way. Compassion is.

 

[Gaultheria]

I'm aware of Reva's anger/resentment against Kenobi especially with regards to Order 66. However, it wasn't well thought out on the reason why Reva thought that the child is important enough for her to go to Tatooine - I felt that it was the weakest part of the final episode.

It’s a bad plan on her part, but I think it’s good writing. Reva had ten years of meticulously disciplined planning fall apart in a matter of minutes, plus the humiliating revelation that her secret plan had been doomed all along, so there’s nothing other than pure rage and frustration that she could be running on at this point.

 

[Bobber]

Finally some common sense regarding this topic.

I feel like most people who are convinced otherwise don't understand the Jedi. Jedi don't kill. This is why The Force wanted The Jedi gone during the PT. The Jedi had become hypocrites. They were acting like soldiers despite literally touting themselves as "Keepers of the peace. Not soldiers."

War, attack, assassination = not the Jedi way. Compassion is.

 

[Broseph44]

Absolutely incredible finale. Extremely emotional. Just wow some of the best Star Wars ever in this episode for me. And one of my favorite duels in the entire saga. But that’s all I’m gonna say now. I am dipping out of this thread. It’s a chore to wade through pages and pages of the same **** sometimes now in this section of the forums. I see enough of it all over social media now. Becoming such a toxic fandom. It’s sad.

 

[Johnny Richards]

Obi-Wan literally tells Luke that Palps has already won if Luke is unwilling to kill Vader.

No. He doesn't say that at all. FACE doesn't mean KILL. Again, Jedi don't kill people. Jedi don't order other Jedi to kill people. It's not the Jedi way.

Yoda literally says to Luke that it is unfortunate Luke knew Vader was his father. If Yoda intended for Luke to turn Vader, that wouldn't be unfortunate at all. It would be crucial.

Vader's compassion for Luke would have worked whether or not Luke knew the truth. It's why Vader doesn't kill Luke in ESB. Luke repeats this to Vader in Endor citing the Bespin duel outcome as evidence that Vader WILL NOT kill him.

Lucas' word is unreliable.

The creator's word is reliable. The notion that the creator is wrong is ridiculous.

 

[Bobber]

The creator's word is reliable. The notion that the creator is wrong is ridiculous.

So if "the creator" constantly changes his mind, we just have to go along with what he's thinking right now, and now what he thought when he made it?

 

[Boom]

Yoda: "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be."

Ahsoka, Ezra, Cal and Reva: "Oh."