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I'd rather have another director tackle the sequel, with Scott's benediction. Not that I'll complain if he directs it himself, but I think it's a strength to have different talents delivering their own versions of a mythos.

But first, Blade Runner 2. No one else can pull that one off.
 
I've been having some further thoughts on the film and have a theory about the Space Jockeys and their motives .....

The film isn't called 'Prometheus' for no reason.

The original Greek fable of Prometheus tells the following :

Prometheus (Greek: Προμηθεύς) is a Titan, culture hero, and trickster figure who in Greek mythology is credited with the creation of man from clay and the theft of fire for human use, an act that enabled progress and civilization. He is known for his intelligence, and as a champion of mankind.


His actioned angered the Gods, who sent Pandora as punishment. We've all heard the term 'Pandora's box', but it was actually jars in the original story.


After Prometheus' theft of fire, Zeus sent Pandora in retaliation. Despite Prometheus' warning, Epimetheus accepted this "gift" from the gods. Pandora carried a jar with her, from which were released "evils, harsh pain and troublesome diseases which give men death". Pandora shut the lid of the jar too late to contain all the evil plights that escaped, but foresight remained in the jar, giving mankind hope.


I think the story in the film is a sci-fi analogy of the original Prometheus tale, with some changes.



My theory is that the first engineer - the one we see creating life on Earth after his body dissolves and spreads his DNA - did so against the wishes of the other engineers he was with. They may have been experimenting with genetic and DNA for military or war purposes, whereas he wanted to create life and use it for good ................... who knows. But for whatever reason, his actions were a strict breach of what their rules were - just like the original greek Prometheus went against the wishes of the Gods.


In turn, once the engineers learnt that life on Earth was developing, they themselves set about to develop a weapon which would extinguish that life. This was again, typically, based in genetics and may have involved further trips to Earth - hence why Earth was the central planet in the 3D star map that David looked at. They created this black liquid/goo which, depending on what it interacts with, can mutate or even kill anything it touches. And just like the original Pandora jar in the greek story, this goo was stored in vials/jars.



But the engineers, like Pandora, realised that what they were developing was too dangerous and could be out of their control. So they tried to shut the jar but it was too late, and something was already on the loose. And that in effect is what we saw depicted in the hologram re-enactment, where the engineers are trying to escape from something.


The symbols written in the caves on Earth weren't invitations, but warnings to stay away.



Just some thoughts :)
 
Which two do you think Spider-Fan?

I think Captain Janek seemed competent.

Fifeld seemed smart enough to get the hell out of there and tell Milburn not to mess woth the snake alien as well.

Getting lost in the engineer ship was pretty dumb of him though.

Captain Janek and David were my two. At least David was a robot, arrogant, and curious which led to his poor choices. It made more sense and felt more organic than the rest of the crew, who seemed to be idiots because...science?
 
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I wouldn't mind a sequel to Prometheus.

I think Ridley did a good job. With a better script I think they could make a really good sequel.

Ridley Scott wants to do a sequel and he makes movies pretty fast but his going to be pushing 80 by the time he probably gets around to doing the sequel.

I wouldn't mind if Ridley produced the Prometheus sequel and let someone like Duncan Jones direct it.
 
Promethei directed by Cameron. Prometheus Squared by David Fincher. That'll go well.
 
Promethei directed by Cameron. Prometheus Squared by David Fincher. That'll go well.

Cameron's Promethei
'When we go to the engineer's planet, we're not going to ask them why they made us or why we are here, we're going to wipe them out, right?'

Fincher's Prometheus3
'It's 4 rooms of terror and the three of us vs the engineer and all we have to fight him is this rusty spoon'
 
Now there's a trilogy that hasn't been done before!:up:
 
I am up for a sequel to Prometheus. The movie satisfied me overall.
 
I don't want Damon Lindelof back as writer if there is a Prometheus 2.

I don't like his 'set up a bunch mysteries but only give a couple lackluster answers' approach to storytelling. Its why I stopped watching lost.

I like ambiguity but Lindelof's type of storytelling feels like they just toss stuff at a wall and see what sticks.
 
Saw Prometheus on a huge IMAX screen in 3D yesterday. The cinematography was outstanding. Really glad I took the time and spent the extra money to see it this way.

As to the story, I feel it asks more questions than it answers. I guess this is a good thing if a sequel gets a go ahead.
I thought some of the thing which the characters get up to
once they enter the ship
were a bit silly and in one or two cases, downright stupid like where the
snake thing appears out of the black slime and all the guy can think to do is to go "coochy coochy koo" to it and then gets attacked
by it.

By far one of the worst things was when the team
realised the atmosphere inside was breathable and one of them just takes off his helmet and starts breathing. Hey, how about testing for bacterial or viral lifeforms first that might be fatal to humans? Really reminded me of that scene from Galaxy Quest where the shuttle lands, Fred just opens the door and starts breathing the atmosphere...
Funny in that, stupid in Prometheus.

Overall not a bad film, but I feel it could have been better. 7 out of 10 from me.
 
I've been having some further thoughts on the film and have a theory about the Space Jockeys and their motives .....

His actioned angered the Gods, who sent Pandora as punishment. We've all heard the term 'Pandora's box', but it was actually jars in the original story.

Clever... I did not know that.

I too am a big advocate of the fact the first engineer created human life against his species' wishes (perhaps even his'). He definitely looks like he's been stranded there, banished. Like Prometheus was.
 
Clever... I did not know that.

I too am a big advocate of the fact the first engineer created human life against his species' wishes (perhaps even his'). He definitely looks like he's been stranded there, banished. Like Prometheus was.
The art of Prometheus reveals something else:
http://www.prometheusforum.net/disc...ity-scans-from-prometheus-the-art-of-the-film

There were more engineers. An older one gives the cup to the younger one. So (originally) it was not the act of this single Engineer to create life.
 
So those snakes, I take it they some how came from the worms because they focused on the worms coming into contact with the black liquid. But that snake bled acid right? Does that mean that it's a xenomorph? One that was produced from the population of worms, in the same way the xenomorph at the end came from the space jockey?

Does the slime randomly alter life or does it function with a purpose?

I think the black slime is a multi-staged chemical weapon designed to produce a predator (xenomorph) customized to the life/environment of any planet.
Stage 1: The goo corrupts it's host's reproductive system to produce squid babies that are capable of impregnating other members of the host population. It also makes zombies I guess.
Stage 2: These squid babies impregnate their hosts with a proto-xeno which inherits it's host's body shape.
Stage 3: I'm guessing that these proto-xenos produce a strain of facehugger eggs adapted to their host's body size/type, which go on to make the traditional xenomorph.
I think the snakes were xenomorphs produced from the worm population.
 
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Cameron's Promethei
'When we go to the engineer's planet, we're not going to ask them why they made us or why we are here, we're going to wipe them out, right?'

Fincher's Prometheus3
'It's 4 rooms of terror and the three of us vs the engineer and all we have to fight him is this rusty spoon'

Fincher's Promtheus 3 would also have all of the characters die at the end (especially the fan favorites) and bleach bypass the film with sypia filters.
 
I've been having some further thoughts on the film and have a theory about the Space Jockeys and their motives .....

The film isn't called 'Prometheus' for no reason.

The original Greek fable of Prometheus tells the following :




His actioned angered the Gods, who sent Pandora as punishment. We've all heard the term 'Pandora's box', but it was actually jars in the original story.





I think the story in the film is a sci-fi analogy of the original Prometheus tale, with some changes.



My theory is that the first engineer - the one we see creating life on Earth after his body dissolves and spreads his DNA - did so against the wishes of the other engineers he was with. They may have been experimenting with genetic and DNA for military or war purposes, whereas he wanted to create life and use it for good ................... who knows. But for whatever reason, his actions were a strict breach of what their rules were - just like the original greek Prometheus went against the wishes of the Gods.


In turn, once the engineers learnt that life on Earth was developing, they themselves set about to develop a weapon which would extinguish that life. This was again, typically, based in genetics and may have involved further trips to Earth - hence why Earth was the central planet in the 3D star map that David looked at. They created this black liquid/goo which, depending on what it interacts with, can mutate or even kill anything it touches. And just like the original Pandora jar in the greek story, this goo was stored in vials/jars.



But the engineers, like Pandora, realised that what they were developing was too dangerous and could be out of their control. So they tried to shut the jar but it was too late, and something was already on the loose. And that in effect is what we saw depicted in the hologram re-enactment, where the engineers are trying to escape from something.


The symbols written in the caves on Earth weren't invitations, but warnings to stay away.



Just some thoughts :)

Very intelligent thoughts.
 
I've been having some further thoughts on the film and have a theory about the Space Jockeys and their motives .....

The film isn't called 'Prometheus' for no reason.

The original Greek fable of Prometheus tells the following :




His actioned angered the Gods, who sent Pandora as punishment. We've all heard the term 'Pandora's box', but it was actually jars in the original story.





I think the story in the film is a sci-fi analogy of the original Prometheus tale, with some changes.



My theory is that the first engineer - the one we see creating life on Earth after his body dissolves and spreads his DNA - did so against the wishes of the other engineers he was with. They may have been experimenting with genetic and DNA for military or war purposes, whereas he wanted to create life and use it for good ................... who knows. But for whatever reason, his actions were a strict breach of what their rules were - just like the original greek Prometheus went against the wishes of the Gods.


In turn, once the engineers learnt that life on Earth was developing, they themselves set about to develop a weapon which would extinguish that life. This was again, typically, based in genetics and may have involved further trips to Earth - hence why Earth was the central planet in the 3D star map that David looked at. They created this black liquid/goo which, depending on what it interacts with, can mutate or even kill anything it touches. And just like the original Pandora jar in the greek story, this goo was stored in vials/jars.



But the engineers, like Pandora, realised that what they were developing was too dangerous and could be out of their control. So they tried to shut the jar but it was too late, and something was already on the loose. And that in effect is what we saw depicted in the hologram re-enactment, where the engineers are trying to escape from something.


The symbols written in the caves on Earth weren't invitations, but warnings to stay away.



Just some thoughts :)

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Beautifully put. The title of the film wasn't selected at random. The [blackout]'outcasted' Engineer[/blackout] parallels the titan Prometheus to a dime.
 
Just saw it, and like most fans and critics i think it deserves a solid 7, a good movie but could have been better, i have to ask:
Was that the same planet where the crew in the original Alien film found the Alien eggs? Because if it is then they must have entered in a different ship, as the space Jockey got out of his suit soon after his ship crashed.

I also want to know if that was supposed to be the Alien queen shown in Aliens, the one that gave birth to the eggs that appeared in the original Alien movie. Because if that was the origin of the Xenomorphs then half comics, novels, and the AVP movies were just erased from the Alien Canon, something i don't mind.

I feel like there was no real point in killing Meredith Vickers, if the movie was trully a prequel to Alien then it would have made sence for here to live, i mean, all that time leading to her father's death and then her running away from the ship was for nothing, if she had gotten away she would have taken over Weyland, with that she would be the one responsible for the events in Alien.

I hope there is a sequel, it would be a wasted potencial if there wasn't, i like the idea of exploring other things in the Alien universe, i don't even need to see a Xenomorph, all i want is for it not to contradict the first Alien movies.
 
Its a different planet and the AVP movies are not cannon for Ridley Scott only the other Alien only movies.

The stuff in prometheus contradicts the AVP stuff even if it was considered cannon.
 
I don't want Damon Lindelof back as writer if there is a Prometheus 2.

I don't like his 'set up a bunch mysteries but only give a couple lackluster answers' approach to storytelling. Its why I stopped watching lost.

I like ambiguity but Lindelof's type of storytelling feels like they just toss stuff at a wall and see what sticks.
Prometheus' mysteries were nothing like Lost's, though.

As someone else said, the unanswered questions in Prometheus could be very easily answered by the people who wrote the movie. It's not that anything is terribly complex, it's just that they aren't telling us enough information to figure it out.

With Lost, they just wrote weird bs with no idea how to ever resolve it.
 
Also, is it just me, or did it feel like Logan Marshall-Green and Sean Harris were just bargan basement versions of Tom Hardy and Christian Bale? :o
 
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