Prometheus - Part 8

[Forever MS]

Most likely, you'll enjoy it more than most of the internet.

Why is that? Is it because it's a good movie, but a bad "Alien" movie?

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Why is that? Is it because it's a good movie, but a bad "Alien" movie?

Well, most of the people on the internet went into expecting a flawless masterpiece that perfectly ties itself to Alien with no ambiguity whatsoever, if you go in knowing that it has small plot problems you'll be a lot more likely to enjoy it. Just don't go in expecting the 2nd coming of Christ like it seems some did.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Well, most of the people on the internet went into expecting a flawless masterpiece that perfectly ties itself to Alien with no ambiguity whatsoever, if you go in knowing that it has small plot problems you'll be a lot more likely to enjoy it. Just don't go in expecting the 2nd coming of Christ like it seems some did.

Yeah, because that's not a broad generalization or anything...

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

Yeah, because that's not a broad generalization or anything...

I've read several posts in this thread where people admitted that the movie was good, yet say they didn't enjoy it because they were expecting a 9/10 instead of 7-8 range. Just going by what I've seen in this thread.

 

[Eggyman]

I know, it's not like any normal people not suffering from some hyperbolic delirium went to the cinema and watched a film they didn't enjoy. There must be something wrong with them or there expectations must've been too high. There simply must be some excuse why there are people out there--points out of window--who do not agree with TheOnlyOmega about this film.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

I know, it's not like any normal people not suffering from some hyperbolic delirium went to the cinema and watched a film they didn't enjoy. There must be something wrong with them or there expectations must've been too high. There simply must be some excuse why there are people out there--points out of window--who do not agree with TheOnlyOmega about this film.

Just go back and read this thread before release, it's nothing but people crowning this movie before they saw it. I'm just stating that obviously a good portion of this films audience got hit with Spider-Man 3 syndrome.

 

[DACrowe]

So the focus of the story leaves a distres signal and flies off over yonder, but we don't follow her, we stay for a scene where the big guy out of alien gives birth to the ugliest baby I've ever seen. If it had nothing to do with Alien, then it shouldn't of had anything to do with Alien. Instead of staying on the planet and seeing the birth of something the film has nothing to do with, we should've followed Shaw, rather than just hearing her say, 'I want to do this,' then abruptly flying away.

So if the moon in Prometheus is the same as the one in Alien (I know they have different names/numbers but Weyland could easily fudge that and the gassy planet above both looks the exact same) does that mean the alien in the original movie is Shaw's grandkid? And thus in Aliens her grandchildren and great-grandchildren?

<wipes away> It's really...<sniff>....It's really the circle of life.

 

[DACrowe]

You ruined the whole film for me!!!


Seriously though... if he lied then sorry, I'm just going off what he has said since I know very little about the film. I am trying not to spoil myself too much.

Turn around now and please don't read my above post!

Seriously, it's a good movie worth checking out. Even if you hate it (as some do), it definitely makes you think. Sorry, if we're dropping too many spoilers these days.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I watched it in 3D today. I enjoy it much more on my second viewing. I really like what Ridley Scott did and I'm looking forward to an eventual sequel (hopefully).

 

[chaseter]

Yeah, because that's not a broad generalization or anything...

Bro you need to take a chill pill.

 

[GoldGoblin]

The version I saw had the same planet that was in Alien,and there weren't any plot holes.

 

[Schlosser85]

Finally got around to seeing this, and I really like it.

It does leave a lot open to interpretation, but that doesn't bother me. The scientists do make some unprofessional moves, like removing their helmets and playing coochie coochie coo with the mutant worm, but those flaws don't destroy an entire movie to me when I like the rest of it as much as I did.

To me, most of the characters in Alien were as undeveloped and two-dimensional as the ones in Prometheus. The standouts to me in Alien were Ripley and Ash, as the standouts here are Shaw and David.

Didn't like Holloway, and found myself wondering if they intended him to be such an unlikable ass. Logan Marshall-Green reminds me of Tom Hardy though.

Fassbender really is the show-stealer. Wonderful and fascinating. Though I thought Noomi Rapace was good too, especially in The Scene (we all know which one), which might have been the most disturbing scene I've ever watched on a theater screen. I was literally half-covering my face, which I don't do often.

I think you'll enjoy it more if you don't go into it expecting a full-out Alien prequel (which Ridley Scott never said it was to begin with), because it mostly tells its own story with some connective tissue to Alien.

I will say thought that I wish

Spoiler

the Engineer would have died in his chair wearing the suit like they found the Engineer in Alien.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I just couldn't get enough of Fassbender's David in Prometheus. It's hauntingly good.

 

[EML420]

I saw it a little earlier today I liked it a lot im the type of person who tends to not notice plot holes I think there might have been one I notice but can some one tell me the stuff that is bugging people?

 

[Schlosser85]

I just couldn't get enough of Fassbender's David in Prometheus. It's hauntingly good.

IMO Ash and Bishop were the most interesting supporting characters in Alien and Aliens, but David is even better. More personality and dimension.

 

[DACrowe]

I saw it a little earlier today I liked it a lot im the type of person who tends to not notice plot holes I think there might have been one I notice but can some one tell me the stuff that is bugging people?

I liked it but the complaints are mainly:

-How did the scientists, one of whom was in charge of 3D-mapping the site/ship and had a video screen of his digital "dogs" on his suit, get lost?

-Why would Holloway become bitter after only being on the moon for six hours and finding one dead alien body (which still partially proved his theory)?

-Why would a biologist pet a mutant snake after being scared earlier of hearing there is a life form out here.

-How did the geologist come back to the ship after having acid sprayed on his face?

-Why didn't David or anyone else check on the mutant baby Shaw had (I personally think there is a deleted scene that will be in the DC of David seeing it is still alive, smiling and locking it inside that room or something to that extent)?

-Why did Shaw and Vickers feel the need to run straight from a narrow ship that was falling directly at them?

-If there were more ships on the moon, why did the Engineer choose to chase and kill Shaw as opposed to just going straight to another ship and completing his mission?

And then there are some that aren't plot holes but people were unhappy about (I not being one of them) and lump them in with other complaints.

-Why did David infect Holloway? (Because it's implied he was given those orders by Weyland and it was an experiment to do before finding an engineer. It is up to the viewer why David may have picked Holloway as it's not stated if Weyland said him or just anyone)

-Is Vickers a robot? (She's not. She clearly feels true resentment that her father, besides refusing to die and relinquish power to her, prefers his robot creation over her. She even has sex with Janek to prove it to him and also the audience.)

-Was that Earth at the beginning of the movie? (Yes.)

-What did David say to the Engineer? (It is clearly up to the audience to decide if he genuinely relayed Weyland's questions or if he said something else to provoke the reaction. Depends how you want to read both David and the Engineer species.)

-Did the aliens create life on Earth? (Yes.)

-Why did they create us and why do they want to destroy us? (It's up to the viewer. There are number of credible theories that convincingly point to allusions towards Christianity as well as Sumerian creation myths or just personal readings of the Engineers. It's up to you....and/or a sequel).

There's more stuff, but I think that covers the basics.

 

[DACrowe]

IMO Ash and Bishop were the most interesting supporting characters in Alien and Aliens, but David is even better. More personality and dimension.

I don't know if you read this, but Damon Lindelof in an interview said that David has a crush on Shaw.

http://movieline.com/2012/06/12/dam...nding-and-a-handy-spoilery-alien-infographic/

I'm sure if we get a sequel that will be explored more.

 

[Balthus Dire]

^ The bottom half of your post containing bold text are all things that I had no problem with for the most part ambiguity-wise except for David infecting the doctor. When is it hinted that Weyland asked David to do that? I can't remember if Weyland said "try harder" before or after David proceeded with the infection. If it's the latter, then I don't remember any sort of hint about that at all.

And your top half is spot on, though I admit some of them are nitpicky. There are also more complaints I'd add (some even more important) but they're already pretty well established in this thread and on the internet in general at this point.

 

[Maximum Carnage]

Engineer looked like hansom squidward from Spongebob Square Pants

Let the record state - I ****ing Lawld.

 

[EML420]

Thank you DaCrowe the stuff in black is what I thougt but on why the engineers want to kill humans I thought the good old fashion answer would be they see how crazy we are.

I didnt even think that David might have tryed to screw over Weyland.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

^ The bottom half of your post containing bold text are all things that I had no problem with for the most part ambiguity-wise except for David infecting the doctor. When is it hinted that Weyland asked David to do that? I can't remember if Weyland said "try harder" before or after David proceeded with the infection. If it's the latter, then I don't remember any sort of hint about that at all.

And your top half is spot on, though I admit some of them are nitpicky. There are also more complaints I'd add (some even more important) but they're already pretty well established in this thread and on the internet in general at this point.

It's hinted at when Vickers and David have the "What did he say?" conversation/slight scuffle.

 

[Schlosser85]

I got the impression David got some measure of enjoyment from what he did to Holloway because of how Holloway picked on him.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

I got the impression David got some measure of enjoyment from what he did to Holloway because of how Holloway picked on him.

It's possible, but I just don't know. Like many have said, David is almost impossible to get a read on. Fassbender played this role to perfection in just about every imaginable way.

 

[Schlosser85]

I definitely never thought he had a crush on Shaw. Though I could see maybe toward the end him developing a respect for her.

 

[chaseter]

I think I can answer some of those

I liked it but the complaints are mainly:

-How did the scientists, one of whom was in charge of 3D-mapping the site/ship and had a video screen of his digital "dogs" on his suit, get lost?
I don't think he could see the map. He just knew where his dogs were because of the sound they were making. He even listened for them. He called them dogs because they were sorta running around sniffing out the area and 'barking' when they found something. The ship was tracking their whereabouts and what the dogs were mapping. He asked for guidance on where to go and the ship was dicking with them because they thought nothing was in there.

-Why would Holloway become bitter after only being on the moon for six hours and finding one dead alien body (which still partially proved his theory)?
He thought he would meet his creators. It's why he was sad when he said that this was just another tomb. He has done nothing but explore tombs all his life...he was excited to not find another tomb.

-Why would a biologist pet a mutant snake after being scared earlier of hearing there is a life form out here.
He was scared of a life form that was big as the engineers. He was freaked out about their size and what possibly killed them. A tiny vagina snake couldn't have done that. He did act a tad dumb though.

-How did the geologist come back to the ship after having acid sprayed on his face?
His helmet shrink wrapped to his face and then he fell into the black goo. I guess he ripped it off. I didn't really like this part.

-Why didn't David or anyone else check on the mutant baby Shaw had (I personally think there is a deleted scene that will be in the DC of David seeing it is still alive, smiling and locking it inside that room or something to that extent)?
I also think there is a lot in deleted scenes but as far as I can tell is that she sterilized it and they thought it was dead. No need to worry about something that is dead and inside a sterile container when more pressing issues arise.

-Why did Shaw and Vickers feel the need to run straight from a narrow ship that was falling directly at them?
That was dumb.

-If there were more ships on the moon, why did the Engineer choose to chase and kill Shaw as opposed to just going straight to another ship and completing his mission?
He was pissed at her. He may also not have been able to breathe in that atmosphere. They mentioned that you have about 2 minutes to breathe out there before you die. He probably couldn't have made it to another ship. David mentioned to Shaw that he was after her.

And then there are some that aren't plot holes but people were unhappy about (I not being one of them) and lump them in with other complaints.

-Why did David infect Holloway? (Because it's implied he was given those orders by Weyland and it was an experiment to do before finding an engineer. It is up to the viewer why David may have picked Holloway as it's not stated if Weyland said him or just anyone)
I think David was just curious but he could have been given orders. He wanted to see if the black goo created life. Like the theme of the movie, it does create life but it first must destroy life. Charlie died and Shaw was able to give birth from her barren womb. I think David just wanted to see what it would do and was surprised that it got Shaw pregnant.

-Is Vickers a robot? (She's not. She clearly feels true resentment that her father, besides refusing to die and relinquish power to her, prefers his robot creation over her. She even has sex with Janek to prove it to him and also the audience.)
I think this could go either way.

-Was that Earth at the beginning of the movie? (Yes.)
Yayeah

-What did David say to the Engineer? (It is clearly up to the audience to decide if he genuinely relayed Weyland's questions or if he said something else to provoke the reaction. Depends how you want to read both David and the Engineer species.)
He asked what was said at the end of Lost in Translation.

-Did the aliens create life on Earth? (Yes.)
Duh

-Why did they create us and why do they want to destroy us? (It's up to the viewer. There are number of credible theories that convincingly point to allusions towards Christianity as well as Sumerian creation myths or just personal readings of the Engineers. It's up to you....and/or a sequel).
Because they could? David mentioned that to Charlie. Who knows...it doesn't really matter.

There's more stuff, but I think that covers the basics.