Prometheus - Part 8

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Even if you don't like the film, its doing something that most sci-fi doesn't do recently, spark discussion. I'm glad it left open ends, The Thing prequel tied everything up very nicely, but how many people debate and theorize over that movie? I'm just thankful for a flick that causes theory and discussion.
 
Even if you don't like the film, its doing something that most sci-fi doesn't do recently, spark discussion. I'm glad it left open ends, The Thing prequel tied everything up very nicely, but how many people debate and theorize over that movie? I'm just thankful for a flick that causes theory and discussion.

I definitely agree with this. I've been just sort of sitting back looking at all the reactions to the movie, not really wanted to add my 2 cents yet, because just taking in all the discussion about it has been really fascinating, but, I'll go ahead and add my measly 2 cents here:

I'm extremely happy this movie doesn't lead into frame 1 of Alien, because to me that makes everything that happens pre-destined and kind of boring. I look at SW:E3 as the best example. The only real excitement there is the anticipation of seeing what you already know happened, happen. Perhaps sometimes that's satifsying enough, but to me - other than how that particular space-jockey/engineer ended up on that planet - there's no real mystery in what happens before Alien that I need explained. I'm perfectly happy with "unsuspecting mining crew winds up on a hostile planet with the perfect biological weapon" to enjoy that film.

Prometheus to me is something different. It takes some of the familiar and flies off on enough of a tangient to not minish the mystery of Alien, while providing all sorts of other interesting questions. That's really all I could ask from most movies nowadays, let alone a "summer blockbuster". It made me think. God-frickin'-bless it.
 
just saw it and i feel...in the middle about it. its a good movie but i just feel a tad bit underwhelmed and i have a ton of questions coming out of the movie.
 
I'm glad Prometheus was more of a spin off than a prequel as most prequels tend to suck because you know exactly where the story is going so there is no suspense.

The geologist dude stole Mr. Terrific's T-spheres.

Whatever accent Elba was going for didn't quite work. Maybe he was paying Cheadle back for Ocean's 11.
Fifield and his pups :woot:


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I actally thought Elba's southern American accent was better than I thought it would be although why he didn't do his usual American accent or his natural British accent I don't know because him being southern didn't add anything to his character.


Accent wise everyone was good.


Michael Fassbenders and Guy Pearce T.E Lawrence English accents really were good.

Benidict Wong and Rafe Spall's American accents were good too.

I actually like that it's [blackout]]David who infects him.[/blackout] It really brings out the sinister ulterior motives of the Weyland corporation. We just kind of think they sent the crew of the Nostromo in Alien to be slaughtered by a specimen to bring back, but in this we see the "man" most in line with the company's objectives and desires (like Ash in the original film) straight out cause the contamination. And you know after what happened that he was setting Elizabeth up to be the carrier of the specimen home like in the plan in Aliens, which makes her fight for survival all the more desperate and engrossing.
Thats exactly how I saw it :up:

Wait until the engineers find out about human cloning tech in a few hundred years from Alien Resurrection then they will be really angry :cwink:
 
I really liked Aliens even though it is Cameron's Starship Troopers knock off.


Cameron really wanted to make a movie based on the 1959 novel but couldn't get the rights so he incorporated themes and phrases from the novel, such as the terms "the drop" and "bug hunt", as well as the cargo-loader exoskeleton.


The actors playing the Colonial Marines were also required to read Starship Troopers as part of their preparation prior to filming.


Its funny because Ridley Scott has been trying to get the science fiction novel The Forever War which is an anti-war direct reponse novel to Starship Troopers off the ground for years.


Paul Verhoeven eventually got the rights and made Starship Troopers in 1997. I wonder what Cameron thought of it?
 
The black goo is genetically engineered DNA, a biological weapon it seems, capable of destroying life as witnessed in the film's opening.

The "snakes" were the worms that were crawling in the dirt, infected/taken over by the goo.

The squid seems to be an early face hugger like creature, created through a female host (or could be a male host also), similar to how the face huggers birth aliens with a host. Only that instead of a face hugger directly attaching and ingesting into a host, it was the black goo that did so, the "building blocks" of a face hugger perhaps.

These are just my assumptions/interpretation of what I saw though. This film does indeed raise more questions than it answers,
the biggest being of course why were we created, if we even were, and why were we going to be destroyed/turned into the aliens?

All in all it is a fascinating stand alone, but tied into the Alien universe it seems more mediocre/average at best.

Thanks for your thoughts. I guess we should still discuss in Spoiler Tags:

I sort of figured that with the goo. I get that you and CConn are saying about the worms and that they were just there by accident, affected by the goo. But, when I originally saw it, it seemed to be an early version of the face hugger as far as function. And then the goo infecting the one guy - was it meant to kill him, turn him into the unstoppable monster, or mess up his DNA and sperm to create something new? Or was it meant to do all those things. And since Shaw could not conceive, did the guy impregnate her like the facehugger did Kane or was his mutated sperm mixing with her human egg to form the squid? And then the squid impregnates the Engineer with a proto-Alien?

It's a lot to digest, and I know that's probably Scott's intention.

Regarding the Jockey's appearance:

The way I view the Space Jockeys looking humanoid is that maybe it's a play on the whole "God created us in his own image". Makes sense to me.

I get that, it makes sense, but

I still find it a little disappointing compared to Giger's original design.
 
I saw this yesterday, and loved it. A fair bit of the movie does not stand up to rational analysis, but it completely captures the spirit of discovery, wonder and foreboding that I have not seen in a science-fiction film in a long time.

I can definitely see this becoming a parallel franchise to the original Alien movies. I can also see this evolving into the original idea for Alien 3, of the xenomorphs on Earth.
 
I honestly can't think of anything about the film I didn't like.

I saw this yesterday, and loved it. A fair bit of the movie does not stand up to rational analysis, but it completely captures the spirit of discovery, wonder and foreboding that I have not seen in a science-fiction film in a long time.

I can definitely see this becoming a parallel franchise to the original Alien movies. I can also see this evolving into the original idea for Alien 3, of the xenomorphs on Earth.
I agree with you both. Their was really nothing about this movie that I didn't like. I loved all of it, and can't wait to see more. I definitely can see this becoming a parallel franchise too. I can't wait to see it again.
 
I love the fact this isn't like the usual sci-fi films lately that consist of action scene after action scene.

This is a movie of discovery and science. Which I just can't get enough of. :)
 
^ Except the scientists are completely stupid. Like the biologist who thought it would be a good idea to pet the vagina-faced snake alien that he just came upon, not to mention much of the dissection in the film is performed by...an archaeologist?


I saw the film yesterday. I wouldn't so much say I was underwhelmed by the film but I must say it was a bit of a mess. There were a lot of somewhat major things that happened separate from what another that in any other film would make up a part of the main conflict.

For one thing, how is it that a guy who has acid shrinkwrap his helmet to his face later show up bent end over end crab walking and then get up and be a super strong zombie-man, not to mention with his face more or less in tact?

How can the lead character of the film give herself a cessarian and give birth do an alien creature and nobody says a goddamned word about it (besides David making a pun)? Why was nothing done about said alien baby? Its not like it ran away and needed to be found like in alien. It was just left to its own devices to grow into a giant writhing mass of tentacles and orifices.


And all of that's on top of the whole Engineer plotline.

Much of these were un-addressed or under-addressed, mostly just graphic but ultimately useless non-sequiturs.
 
All great points... I'm so disappointed. But that's LOST writer Damon Lindelof for ya....
 
^ Agreed with everything you said!


So, in regard to the spoilerish concept art:
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Don't these images cause a pretty crippling blow to the "it's not the same ship or planet" argument? These storyboards make it very clear that this was supposed to be "the" Alien and that it was supposed to stumble out of the bay and back to the alien ship....
 
^ Except the scientists are completely stupid. Like the biologist who thought it would be a good idea to pet the vagina-faced snake alien that he just came upon, not to mention much of the dissection in the film is performed by...an archaeologist?


I saw the film yesterday. I wouldn't so much say I was underwhelmed by the film but I must say it was a bit of a mess. There were a lot of somewhat major things that happened separate from what another that in any other film would make up a part of the main conflict.

For one thing, how is it that a guy who has acid shrinkwrap his helmet to his face later show up bent end over end crab walking and then get up and be a super strong zombie-man, not to mention with his face more or less in tact?

How can the lead character of the film give herself a cessarian and give birth do an alien creature and nobody says a goddamned word about it (besides David making a pun)? Why was nothing done about said alien baby? Its not like it ran away and needed to be found like in alien. It was just left to its own devices to grow into a giant writhing mass of tentacles and orifices.


And all of that's on top of the whole Engineer plotline.

Much of these were un-addressed or under-addressed, mostly just graphic but ultimately useless non-sequiturs.


And yet none of it pulled me out of the film. I mean, I suppose I could waste time looking deeper into it and find an answer to all of your statements/questions...but what would be the point? It's a movie. And I enjoyed it completely.
 
And yet none of it pulled me out of the film. I mean, I suppose I could waste time looking deeper into it and find an answer to all of your statements/questions...but what would be the point? It's a movie. And I enjoyed it completely.

yes its a movie, but it fails on some very basic levels...like showing a guy having his face melted off but then still having face...not to mention being super strong, and attacking everyone. It was more than a few shades of "The Thing" even down to the flame thrower. Except in The Thing, that's the main threat, its a major part of the plot...not just some random thing that happens and that nobody ever mentions again.

On some very basic plot levels this film has problems, regardless of the supposed depth and subtexts its supposed to have.
 
What was the end thingy?

It's just a little screen that pops up with the Weyland Logo and a quote about (I think) it being established on October 11, 2012.

I might be wrong about the "established" part, but the date is correct.
 
Even though we disagree on the movie, I like the points you make and would like to discuss them.

^ Except the scientists are completely stupid. Like the biologist who thought it would be a good idea to pet the vagina-faced snake alien that he just came upon

Because upon sight of a vagina men lose their intelligence? :)

Seriously though, for me this was a case of someone being book-smart but street-dumb. Also, they had been without food or water for a day, and running around a dark cavern in a panic. People do stupid, suicidal, irrational stuff in those situations, like people who go nuts at the top of Everest.

not to mention much of the dissection in the film is performed by...an archaeologist?

Yeah, that's one of the things that bugged me about the movie. Is Shaw an archeologist, an anthropologist, a geneticist, a biologist, or what? Then again, the generic "science officer" is a staple of most science fiction, even Alien 1.

For one thing, how is it that a guy who has acid shrinkwrap his helmet to his face later show up bent end over end crab walking and then get up and be a super strong zombie-man, not to mention with his face more or less in tact?

I felt that part could have been better executed, and in more gory, graphic detail. However, the Engineer head autopsy established that extreme, unstable mutation was a fact of life on that world.

How can the lead character of the film give herself a cessarian and give birth do an alien creature and nobody says a goddamned word about it (besides David making a pun)?

I thought this was the most thematically effective part of the movie. After such a harrowing ride for the protagonist and the audience, it's sudden calm, and people around her are walking around like nothing we saw mattered. For me, it added a sense of surrealism and fatalism to the movie, revealing how evil the manipulations were that led her to this point.

Spiritually, this part reminded me of 1984, when Winston is hideously tortured for several days, then simply let go and left with the rest of his brief life.

Why was nothing done about said alien baby? Its not like it ran away and needed to be found like in alien. It was just left to its own devices to grow into a giant writhing mass of tentacles and orifices.

I find it best not to apply the rules of life on Earth to the life in an Alien movie. A plant can become massive with just water and light; I think most of the lifeforms we see in this franchise would not qualify as either animal or plant in our own classifications, and would have a metabolism and growth cycle such as we cannot conceive of.
 
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^ Which led to another site and another 30 second video of Weyland, apparently muttering to himself in preparation for the TED Talk.
 
Question about Weyland (the man):

Is the surprise reveal of him onboard the ship the first time we see him, or do we see him before they leave?

Exactly how does he die? Is it explicitly stated that David was acting on his orders by infecting Holloway, and that Weyland is trying to live forever?
 
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