Prometheus - Part 9

[grout]

Plus the Engineer in the original Alien looked huge compared to the humans, but in Prometheus the Engineer didn't look as big. What gives, I hope he explains why.

Also in Prometheus on the walls we saw the xenomorph, so I'm still confused about why they were shown there and I think Ridley got confused too about that. Why show that if it didn't really serve a purpose to the film? I also don't think he explained what, and how that black goo stuff works, and it just turned Fifield into a zombie, but it disintergrated the Engineer in the beginning? Plus I want to know what happens to the alien at the end of Prometheus. I wonder if Ridley will do anything else with that? Anyone else still feel like I do about any of this stuff?

Man, for the sequels their is so much that could be done with them.

The xenomorph walls I still think was to show the evolution needed to create the alien. It looked like an chain evolution so to speak to get it right.. "Black goo",the huggers have to come from somewhere, the engineers DNA was similar to humans so the black goo could of had a different effect on them as opposed to us.

Basically the black goo was needed in conjunction with something else in order to create a hugger, humans were needed in conjunction with huggers in order to get the intended alien.
The engineers were masters of DNA and creation. I think that the experiment went haywire for them because our DNA was so close to them.

Again, Im not saying I have all the answers.. Everybody knows as much as i do in here.. just my theory. I could be 100% wrong

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Maybe im confused,,, even though it has been there that long, how does this mean it cannot still link up at some point?

How would they? Prometheus is 30 years before Alien, the derelict crashed thousands of years before Alien, how are they possibly going to link them, unless they add time travel which I hope they dont.

 

[grout]

How would they? Prometheus is 30 years before Alien, the derelict crashed thousands of years before Alien, how are they possibly going to link them, unless they add time travel which I hope they dont.

I dont see why they would need time travel, If it has been there for thousands of years, how is it they cannot discover it in there present time? It was there before "alien" its there during "prometheus" and there during "alien".

How is it that inbetween prometheus and alien timeframe it cannot be come across in this timeframe? If your getting at discovering the derelict alive or something, yeah i have no clue.. but I dont think they will do that, just away to add more to the story.

Who truly knows how long all this has been going on...

 

[chamber-music]

The Engineers messed around with genetics they might of made themselves bigger and stronger.

The Engineers we see in Prometheus are thousands of years old. We don't know what the modern versions are like on their homeworld.

 

[TheVileOne]

Spoiler

Creature Fifield almost looks like a xenomorph.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I dont see why they would need time travel, If it has been there for thousands of years, how is it they cannot discover it in there present time? It was there before "alien" its there during "prometheus" and there during "alien".

How is it that inbetween prometheus and alien timeframe it cannot be come across in this timeframe? If your getting at discovering the derelict alive or something, yeah i have no clue.. but I dont think they will do that, just away to add more to the story.

Who truly knows how long all this has been going on...

Sorry thats what I thought you meant, so yeah, they could still discover it lying there, I just hope we get some sort of explanation for it in the sequel.

 

[Marvolo]

Spoiler

Creature Fifield almost looks like a xenomorph.

Yep. The back of his head even has the elongated shape of the xenomorphs slightly less pronounced tho. The space suit has also become a part of his body.

 

[elgaz]

Watched the film again last night and found it was just as enjoyable on second viewing.

I'm definitely of the opinion that the Engineers created humanity for no reason other than as guinea pigs.

If we create a new drug, how do we test it? On animals. And more often than not, on chimps/primates/etc, who have great similarities to humans. It's often been rumoured that many militaries do the same with biological weapons. It's considered more 'humane' than testing on humans.

So it makes perfect sense to me that the Engineers, who do things on a much bigger scale and are possibly creating the biological weapon to end all weapopns ......... would go ahead and create a planet of beings who have pretty identical DNA to them. Smaller, more fragile, less advanced maybe ................ but on a cellular level, almost identical...... which makes us perfect guinea pigs for their experiments.

Did they mean to unleash Xenomorphs on Earth to slaughter humanity as a test? Maybe.
Did they just mean to have thousands of humans who could act as hosts? Maybe.

In any event, it's obvious that they didn't intend for humanity to progress as far along as they did in terms of evolution and technology. When the final remaining Engineer awakens from his suspended animation and encounters Weyland & co, he looks almost disgusted by their presence and questions.

 

[DarthMuppet]

Watched the film again last night and found it was just as enjoyable on second viewing.

I'm definitely of the opinion that the Engineers created humanity for no reason other than as guinea pigs.

If we create a new drug, how do we test it? On animals. And more often than not, on chimps/primates/etc, who have great similarities to humans. It's often been rumoured that many militaries do the same with biological weapons. It's considered more 'humane' than testing on humans.

So it makes perfect sense to me that the Engineers, who do things on a much bigger scale and are possibly creating the biological weapon to end all weapopns ......... would go ahead and create a planet of beings who have pretty identical DNA to them. Smaller, more fragile, less advanced maybe ................ but on a cellular level, almost identical...... which makes us perfect guinea pigs for their experiments.

Did they mean to unleash Xenomorphs on Earth to slaughter humanity as a test? Maybe.
Did they just mean to have thousands of humans who could act as hosts? Maybe.

In any event, it's obvious that they didn't intend for humanity to progress as far along as they did in terms of evolution and technology. When the final remaining Engineer awakens from his suspended animation and encounters Weyland & co, he looks almost disgusted by their presence and questions.

I'm leaning more towards there being two separate factions of engineers, the ones from the beginning of the film and the more militaristic ones we encounter later in the film. The ones from the beginning created us and returned every so often to check on our progress. I also believe the starmaps that Shaw and Holloway discovered were not invitations at all, but warnings from our creators to stay away from that particular system. It could be that those more "benevolent" engineers were the ones responsible for sabotaging the facility on LV-223. The more militaristic engineers saw us as an abomination and a potential future threat so would very much want us wiped out.

Of course, it could just be that we were nothing more than guinea pigs or hosts like you said. Or... it could be that all the engineers were just one mostly benevolent group and had noble intentions, but when they discovered what a destructive warlike species we had become decided that they had made a mistake in creating us.

Whatever the answer is, I'm very much looking forward to the sequel. I thought Prometheus was an amazing film and I'm of the opinion that as far as all the other films in the ALIEN series go, Prometheus is second only to the original film.

 

[dark_b]

Scott on Red digital camera
http://vimeo.com/49864550

 

[grout]

I'm leaning more towards there being two separate factions of engineers, the ones from the beginning of the film and the more militaristic ones we encounter later in the film. The ones from the beginning created us and returned every so often to check on our progress. I also believe the starmaps that Shaw and Holloway discovered were not invitations at all, but warnings from our creators to stay away from that particular system. It could be that those more "benevolent" engineers were the ones responsible for sabotaging the facility on LV-223. The more militaristic engineers saw us as an abomination and a potential future threat so would very much want us wiped out.

Of course, it could just be that we were nothing more than guinea pigs or hosts like you said. Or... it could be that all the engineers were just one mostly benevolent group and had noble intentions, but when they discovered what a destructive warlike species we had become decided that they had made a mistake in creating us.

Whatever the answer is, I'm very much looking forward to the sequel. I thought Prometheus was an amazing film and I'm of the opinion that as far as all the other films in the ALIEN series go, Prometheus is second only to the original film.

hmmm, thats and interesting thought as well..

 

[chamber-music]

If there is a sequel I would like to see the Engineers homeworld to of once been like Paradise but now turned into a lovecraftian hell hole overrun by their mutated experiments which have wiped out most of their civilisation.

The movie could have a scene with one of the surviving Engineers warning humans not to follow in their footsteps and play god which would obviously be poignant message as well as a nod to the rest of the Alien series with WeylandYuntai constantly trying to turn Xenomorphs into weapons, creating clones, robots that design robots and so on.

 

[regwec]

Which fictional location in Lovecraft do you mean?

 

[chamber-music]

Which fictional location in Lovecraft do you mean?

I didn't have anything in mind specifically just general Lovecraft lore visuals.

I like the visual designs in Prometheus but I hope they really go to town in a sequel.

Get Giger or find someone new to come up with something really unique and original that we have never seen on film before.

The design for the Xenomorph in Alien was unlike anything what we had seen before but it kind of feels like the Alien series have not really kept up the creative design side of things. Everything from Aliens to Prometheus seems like a variation of the things we have seen before.

I want them to come up with completely new creatures that will make you say what the hell is that!

 

[grout]

I didn't have anything in mind specifically just general Lovecraft lore visuals.

I like the visual designs in Prometheus but I hope they really go to town in a sequel.

Get Giger or find someone new to come up with something really unique and original that we have never seen on film before.

The design for the Xenomorph in Alien was unlike anything what we had seen before but it kind of feels like the Alien series have not really kept up the creative design side of things. Everything from Aliens to Prometheus seems like a variation of the things we have seen before.

I want them to come up with completely new creatures that will make you say what the hell is that!

Man-bear-pig! lol

 

[Fives]

If there is a sequel I would like to see the Engineers homeworld to of once been like Paradise but now turned into a lovecraftian hell hole overrun by their mutated experiments which have wiped out most of their civilisation.

The movie could have a scene with one of the surviving Engineers warning humans not to follow in their footsteps and play god which would obviously be poignant message as well as a nod to the rest of the Alien series with WeylandYuntai constantly trying to turn Xenomorphs into weapons, creating clones, robots that design robots and so on.

I think if we get a sequel we'll definitely be seeing their home planet or Paradise. I really can't wait to see what it's like, and if it really is a "Paradise" or if it's a lovecraftian hell hole nightmare too. I'm thinking what ever their home planet is like, that Shaw, and David's head will end up wishing they never went to it, because what they faced in Prometheus won't even be able to match what's waiting for them in "Paradise".

I hope though that we do get to learn a lot more about the Engineers, and maybe the xeno's too. I think the xeno's might make more of an appearance then they did in Prometheus, and could even be a part of the crazy hell that Shaw, and David's head will face. We'll see though, hopefully we get this sequel lol.

 

[Brem]

Well, my Blu-Ray arrived today. I have to admit, it looks really, really good. And surprisingly, my third viewing of Prometheus, as much as I enjoyed it, I couldn't get into it as much as my second. But my fourth viewing on Blu-Ray was great. I enjoyed it as much as I did the second viewing.

I still wish, however, some of those deleted scenes could be re-added to the film. Especially the Engineer speaking.

 

[The Epic Beyond]

If there is a sequel I would like to see the Engineers homeworld to of once been like Paradise but now turned into a lovecraftian hell hole overrun by their mutated experiments which have wiped out most of their civilisation.

That should have been the first movie. Prometheus had everything going for it and then just didn't add up. Putting aside the illogical, and motivationless, characters explaining something cohesive about the black good would have united everything much better.

The deleted scenes i've see make things make so much more sense but still not enough

 

[Solidus]

Though not all of his stuff makes it all better, this guy does a good job explaining some of the problems people had with the film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEx7pdp2-Q&feature=player_embedded


That and I'm stoked for the 4 disc edition on Tuesday. With Charles de Lauzirika behind the special features, I'm really excited for the Furious Gods feature that is over 4 hours long.

 

[Piper Maru]

^

Watched that the other day! Good stuff.

 

[chamber-music]

In the Peter Weyland FIles, the section about Quiet Eye says the following (excerts)

"Naive. That's my take on Dr. Elizabeth Shaw...I must say i find her Zeal somewhat refreshing, if a bit misguided, given what i know nevertheless i have chosen to fund her proposal.

Dr Shaw and Dr Holloway's findings are only mildly interesting to me....BUt i have no intention of spending my remaining days by wasting a trillion dollars on a mission to a star system 39 light years away based solely on a leap of faith by a wide-eyed, God-fearing archeologist.

As fate would have it, their interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial....My science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint almost imperceptible signal emanating from one of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of Shaw, which target LV-223, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.
Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. ... But only David will know about 426 and will ensure the rest of the crew learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."

I want to see the Engineers creator or some black mutated lifeform like this in Paradise

 

[Solidus]

http://collider.com/prometheus-blade-runner-connection/200699/

One of the features in the Blu-Ray shows a Blade Runner/Alien world connection. It's Weyland clearly talking about Tyrell.

 

[Marvolo]

We may have definitive confirmation that that the Blade Runner and Alien universe are the same. There is an easter egg on the Prometheus blu-ray that is a memo from Prometheus's corporate villain, Peter Weyland. It hints that his mentor was Eldon Tyrell, the head of the Tyrell Corporation in Blade Runner.

The memo talks about a rival who

"ran his corporation, like a God, on top of a pyramid overlooking a pyramid of angels. Of course, he chose to replicate the power of creation in an unoriginal way by simply copying God... I always suggested he stick with simple robotics instead of those genetic abominations he enslaved and sold off-world, although his idea to implant them with false memories was, well ...'amusing', is how I would put it".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/movies/alien-prequel-prometheus-is-now-a-blade-runner-sequel/story-e6frf9h6-1226490111128

 

[dark_b]

Honest Trailers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBaKqOMGPWc&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[dark_b]

http://collider.com/prometheus-extended-cut-original-script/200846/

At the recent press day for the Prometheus Blu-ray, Bleeding Cool learned from Charles De Lauzirika, who worked on the special features, that Fox wanted an extended edition of the film. However, Scott refused because the theatrical version is his “Director’s Cut”. The Blu-ray will still feature 35 minutes of altered, extended, and deleted scenes, but Scott didn’t want to edit them back into the movie. I can respect that. Furthermore, just because there’s more material, it doesn’t mean that making Prometheus longer would fill in any plot holes.