Prometheus - Part 9

[Marvolo]

Part of me wants to have seen the scene with David tying Elizabeth up and putting a Facehugger on her.

It also would have added to the rape symbology present in the series. Would have been a disturbing scene.

 

[CConn]

They already did that with the Milburn scene.

 

[chaseter]

so lindelof was brought in to ruin what was going to be a fantastic story which would've lead to a trilogy bridging how the ship in the original alien came to land or crash on LV-426. Thanks Fox. I liked prometheus but thought Spaihts plan was bigger and better. Instead of having the ship carrying eggs to destroy worlds, lindelof replaced it with black goo. the guy ruined Lost, no wonder he messed this up as well.

So you hate S1-6 of LOST? Cause he was there the whole time.

TOMG Prometheus isn't a straight prequel. Goo instead eggs oh no, movie ruined. This is like all the people in the X-Men threads whining about how First Class negates Wolverine and X3. You wanted a direct prequel and since it doesn't connect all the dots you wanted it to, it sucks.

 

[chaseter]

Lindelof likes discussion and polarizing reactions. He has been this way since Lost. He doesn't deliberately do these things to piss people off it's just not everyone shares the same opinions as him.

I prefer his view myself. Like this movie or not, unlike most movies this year, this movie set the internet on fire with massive amounts of discussion, theories and debates. It stayed with you. Those are his intentions, it happened, so I think it succeeded in that regard.

I mean that mosaic of the xenomorph above the green crystal thingy. "This is just another tomb." Goddamn I love that. That suggests, not says. It's just so much more interesting to think about than giving a definitive answer and putting it to bed. It's just a whole mythology that he opened up in different directions and we can discuss where they can lead.

Agreed. People want directors and writers to hold their hands through movies. Any movies that makes you think and ponder the possibilities is awful. People wanted all the mysteries in Lost to be spelled out. People hated that this movie raised new questions. How dumb to complain about that.

The only valid complaints I have seen in here deal with some plot holes like for ex. Fiefield....results of bad editing.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I like a good bit of mystery and unanswered questions, especially in sci-fi. One of the worst things about the Star Wars prequels was when Lucas gave a scientific explanation for the Force (midichlorians).

 

[CConn]

As much as I applaud the mystery in Prometheus, I'll never understand why medichlorians bothered people so much. It was a totally minor McGuffin that could be forgotten pretty much the second after it was mentioned.

Now the atrocious acting, wooden dialogue, childish characters, and totally unlikeble characterizations is a little harder to forget.

 

[ThePhantasm]

As much as I applaud the mystery in Prometheus, I'll never understand why medichlorians bothered people so much. It was a totally minor McGuffin that could be forgotten pretty much the second after it was mentioned.

To me it is indicative of all that was wrong with the prequels: answering things that people didn't want answered while providing no interesting characters or storylines to go with that. The old trilogy was so iconically mythological, from its mysteries and deep past to its wide variety of archetypal characters (the smuggler, the princess, the alien, the knight, the old mentor...). The new trilogy has little to no mystery or sense of awe and discovery in it. Instead it takes its universe for granted and populates it with a generic cast of characters (Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Amidala). At the same time it undercuts what little mystery remained with midichlorians and whatnot.

 

[DyeLorean]

"Prometheus was one of the more controversial films of the summer, but for many fans it left them wanting more. While the sequel isn't exactly a sure thing, director Ridley Scott spoke with Metro about what the proposed film would be.

"Prometheus evolved into a whole other universe. You’ve got a person [Noomi Rapace’s Elizabeth Shaw] with a head in a bag [ Michael Fassbender’s David] that functions and has an IQ of 350. It can explain to her how to put the head back on the body and she’s gonna think about that long and hard because, once the head is back on his body, he’s dangerous," he said.

When asked if the film was that easy, he replied, "I wish it was that easy. They’re going off to paradise but it could be the most savage, horrible place. Who are the Engineers?"

The subject then switched to Blade Runner, which Scott has also been very vocal about sequelizing as well. He said: "It’s not a rumour – it’s happening. With Harrison Ford? I don’t know yet. Is he too old? Well, he was a Nexus-6 so we don’t know how long he can live [laughs]. And that’s all I’m going to say at this stage."

 

[ThePhantasm]

I think Elizabeth and David could have a very interesting frenemy relationship in the next film. They are both a danger to one another, but both need the other in order to survive despite their disparate goals / reactions to the Engineers.

 

[TheVileOne]

Why do we want to see Shaw go to Paradise when she'd probably be squashed in like 10 seconds? Doesn't sound like the plot for a 2 hour movie.

 

[CConn]

Because movies aren't like real life.

Unbelievable I know.

 

[Aztec]

So if I understand it correctly Ridley Scott's "sci-fi" verse is looking set to be:

Blade Runner
Blade Runner Sequel
Prometheus
Prometheus Sequel
Alien
Aliens

(I refuse to acknowledge the other two Alien sequels or Vs. films. And yes I know Aliens is Cameron but come on, it's awesome!)

 

[Marvolo]

As much as I applaud the mystery in Prometheus, I'll never understand why medichlorians bothered people so much. It was a totally minor McGuffin that could be forgotten pretty much the second after it was mentioned.

Now the atrocious acting, wooden dialogue, childish characters, and totally unlikeble characterizations is a little harder to forget.

Midichlorians are somewhat like the real life theoretical Higgs field that is believed to permeate everything and all matter in the universe giving everything mass. In the star wars universe the midichlorians pass through and envelope everything and all matter. The jedi have the ability to manipulate the field of midichlorians allowing them to manipulate matter. It also explains why they can manipulate peoples thoughts. Our brain is made up of matter and electrical signals. If you can control the midichlorians that permeates all this you can control the stuff the brain is made of. Its not that crazy of an idea and is one thing i dont have a problem with in star wars.

 

[TheVileOne]

Because movies aren't like real life.

Unbelievable I know.

I just don't get what the story is there. She goes to Paradise and then what? She going to disguise herself as an engineer and sneak in?

 

[Legion]

I just don't get what the story is there. She goes to Paradise and then what? She going to disguise herself as an engineer and sneak in?

I'd imagine that she gets taken in by a group of engineers that aren't hostile towards humans...unless of course she gets there and they're all dead again..

 

[Solidus]

Or I figure it could be we don't see "everything" she did there, rather some Weyland team years later find her in some odd place, and a story continues from there. Maybe she escapes from Paradise ect ect.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It's probably been mentioned, but has anyone here on the DVD seen the letter from Weyland to Tyrell connecting the Alien and Blade Runner worlds? That's pretty ****ing cool.

 

[Solidus]

Ya we were talking about it a few pages back pretty cool indeed.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Midichlorians are somewhat like the real life theoretical Higgs field that is believed to permeate everything and all matter in the universe giving everything mass. In the star wars universe the midichlorians pass through and envelope everything and all matter. The jedi have the ability to manipulate the field of midichlorians allowing them to manipulate matter. It also explains why they can manipulate peoples thoughts. Our brain is made up of matter and electrical signals. If you can control the midichlorians that permeates all this you can control the stuff the brain is made of. Its not that crazy of an idea and is one thing i dont have a problem with in star wars.

In the early drafts of Star Wars, Obi-Wan did make a reference to something resembling midichlorians. Mentioning that his force powers are lower than what they used to be in his body.

Plus... not everyone can be Jedi anyway. The force still exists as something Jedi tap into and feel around them. The concept still remains. The broadness is still there. Midichlorians is merely to give exclusivity to becoming a Jedi. Plus, it makes sense in Luke adopting Anakin's force powers make more sense. Luke could have been born without them if Midichlorians didn't exist. Luke had to use the force to tap into them.

But this should be in another thread...

 

[Doctor Jones]

Ya we were talking about it a few pages back pretty cool indeed.

You can wonder why he did it, but he has mentioned that he always thought Blade Runner could have easily fit into the Alien world and what the Earth from Alien would look like. Makes sense to me. Reading the earliy drafts of Alien 3, I did get a Blade Runner vibe from them, but even dirtier.

 

[culver3vlr22]

if someone can maybe make a poster with the cast at the top sort of dark knight style for me id really love that. message if you can id love it love it so much

 

[Doctor Jones]

Agreed. People want directors and writers to hold their hands through movies. Any movies that makes you think and ponder the possibilities is awful. People wanted all the mysteries in Lost to be spelled out. People hated that this movie raised new questions. How dumb to complain about that.

The only valid complaints I have seen in here deal with some plot holes like for ex. Fiefield....results of bad editing.

I notice people seem to get plot holes and not explaining something mixed up. Those are two different things. Complain about the plot holes for all I care, and there are some, but why ***** about something so intriguing like the xenomorph mosaic that predates the one at the end of this film? Ass the green crystal tomb and it's just so much more fun to think about and it really adds to this whole mythology.

Hell, the fact we can look back on the Alien films and think that somewhere out there, there's a whole different mythology that is in that universe that they don't even know about. It's just so ****ing cool.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Oh yeah, there sounds like there were a ton of cool action/suspense scenes in the original script. But they also all seem to make the movie much more obvious.

I like that David's motives and morality is as ambiguous as it is. Having him do anything that overt would tip the scales in the direction of downright evil.

Now if this were a straight up Alien prequel, I wouldn't have minded Spaiths script, other than Holloway stupidly taking off his helmet in a toxic environment.

But I preferred this much more myself. It's why I hope in the sequel David's character is explored more. In this film you got the sense he longed to be more human. I hope they dig deeper into that. Because I think David is definitely the best android out of the three we've seen so far. Though I still have a soft spot for Ash and Bishop.

Hopefully David can maybe choose between the act of evil and being good like a human being. Still an android, but is able to make a distinction and acts more out of being programmed. It's broad, but if they do it in the right way, can make the sequel truly great.

 

[CConn]

I just don't get what the story is there. She goes to Paradise and then what? She going to disguise herself as an engineer and sneak in?

That statement is the writing equivalent of a layman walking up to a piano, pounding on the keys, and saying its broken.

Be intelligent. These are professional writers. We can pretty easily surmise that they have a story outlined that has more beef than Shaw getting murdered within the first minutes.

 

[CConn]

Now if this were a straight up Alien prequel, I wouldn't have minded Spaiths script, other than Holloway stupidly taking off his helmet in a toxic environment.

But I preferred this much more myself. It's why I hope in the sequel David's character is explored more. In this film you got the sense he longed to be more human. I hope they dig deeper into that. Because I think David is definitely the best android out of the three we've seen so far. Though I still have a soft spot for Ash and Bishop.

Hopefully David can maybe choose between the act of evil and being good like a human being. Still an android, but is able to make a distinction and acts more out of being programmed. It's broad, but if they do it in the right way, can make the sequel truly great.

Yep, exactly.

Although I still have a definite feeling they could have both had Prometheus' current level of ambiguity plus made it into a direct prequel.

But oh well, as someone explained a page or so ago in this thread, it's pretty easily to just assume another ship escape LV-223 and crashed on 226.