wobbly
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1) How many times does he talk and in what manner? (ie: is it clear this is a separate mind or will this just be seen as Banner exerting some control over the raging brute?) You can pm me that answer if you wish, I wont repeat it if you don't want me to.
2) On killing...I would agree someone dying indirectly from his defending himself would not make him a killer (he did this in an entirely unintentional manner in Ang Lee's Hulk with Talbot).
His killing directly though...that's another matter. Self-defense or not, then yes, that does make him a killer, especially if he is shown to be intelligent at the time, rather than just a mute raging beast.*
Thing is, the Hulk, when intelligent, knows how strong he is. He knows he cant strike back at humans with anything like his full power without killing them so he instinctively does not do it, not even when they are trying their damnedest to kill him. This is his base morality at work, and the reason why his killing anyone, either by accident or design, is a problematic idea at best (imo).
*You raised King Kong as a comparison elsewhere...would it be fair for me to think right now, without seeing anything else at this point, that a Kong like theme for Hulk is not unlike what they have in mind? What I mean here is this: When Hulk kills, is it more excusable because they have done him in a manner where there is no higher intelligence and base morality to guide his actions at that time in the story? Atm, all I know is
he kills a soldier, no details, just kills some anonymous soldier
Again, you can pm the details of how that scene works out and the answer won't go no further if you don't want it to.
I'm not in the industry, so yep, I am "just a fanboy"...however...My being 'just a fanboy' doesn't disqualify my opinions, observations or experiences, such as they are....
Whatever, my more detailed experience of leaked script to final film precedents are these:
Fantastic Four, Batman Begins, X-Men- the Last Stand, Superman Returns.
With all 4 films the major plots points concerning story and characters were all leaked (before filming had even started with a couple of them) and almost all stayed the same for the final product. Tweaks were made, yes, changes to most of the main plots points and characters, Nope.
Now since you are in the loop in some way I'm willing to accept your word that things have been or can be changed quite drastically from what we have heard from that first draft.
And to be honest I do hope you are right there too, at least on those 2 issues I've made clear I personally really don't like. But like I said above, this fanboy's experience with these movies does suggest significant change, even to first draft scripts, is not very likely.
'Gets a flashback to the the production of X-Men 3'
