Rotten Tomatoes/Critical Reception Thread

[dhandler01]

I notice you ignore Batman Returns to try to make my post out to be disingenuous but ok. You do you.

If you have faith in the decisions of WB execs thats good for you. Ive seen them make numerous stupid decisions beyond Snyder and beyond even Batman. I dont trust them, and I dont trust their track record.

Batman Returns was in the 1990s it is hardly relevant at all.

But ok...

 

[boba loba]

When will the audience score be revealed on Rotten Tomatoes. Not very familiar with how it works.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Not gonna lie, I was expecting TDK/BP level reception

That's a high bar to match, this is a good to very good Batman movie, considering WB/DC's recent track record, I'd take the win.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Batman Returns was in the 1990s it is hardly relevant at all.

But ok...

Different era, different management, but him bringing up Batman Returns to make his point isn't wrong in this case, you know how often history repeats itself.

The negative reviews about tone only concern me because WB is dumb as hell. Look at how they reacted to the complaints about Batman Returns. They forced an over correction and made a mess of the following film. If people cry enough about the dark tone I wouldn't put it past WB to push Reeves for a lighter tone in which case his working relationship will become strained, the sequel could be compromised, or he could just walk away from the sequel entirely.

One thing to note though; children now are harder to scare than us when we were their age. A darker tone and a more aggressive Batman with a temper tantrum might not be as emotionally scarring as Batman punching a guy into the sewer after placing lit dynamite in his pants.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Still at 87% on RT. How is that, in any way, shape, or form a bad score? People are crazy. As others said, Batman Begins was literally in the same ballpark. It's dawned on me though that this is a post MCU world so the reception to this movie was bound to not be universal. Either way, it's getting lots of acclaim and that's all I could ask for.

 

[Boom]

It's disappointing how thoroughly RottenTomatoes has poisoned the perception of what a good movie is. Fans are literally more concerned with a number assignment than they are with the actual conversation surrounding the movie.

Anybody who tries to paint a movie in the 70-80 percentile range as a failure needs to get a grip.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

There are 5 positive reviews that I found from RT critics that hasn't been added yet.

 

[Brotherhood]

I'm a bit of an RT noob, does the audience score affect the T-meter in any way?

 

[Gothamsknight]

I'm a bit of an RT noob, does the audience score affect the T-meter in any way?

Nah it doesn't.

 

[Brotherhood]

Nah it doesn't.

Thanks @Gothamsknight!

 

[Gothamsknight]

Thanks @Gothamsknight!

No problem!

 

[Silver Surfer]

It's disappointing how thoroughly RottenTomatoes has poisoned the perception of what a good movie is. Fans are literally more concerned with a number assignment than they are with the actual conversation surrounding the movie.

Anybody who tries to paint a movie in the 70-80 percentile range as a failure needs to get a grip.

Just wait until the boxoffice numbers start rolling in, if they are not spectacular, the sky will fall for some. I think this movie is damn near guaranteed to reach a billion, especially with it releasing in China, but in the unlikely event it doesn't, forget about it.

There will be articles, videos, and who knows what else about why and where this movie "went wrong" and how the sequel needs to "course correct" again.

 

[Boom]

Just wait until the boxoffice numbers start rolling in, if they are not spectacular, the sky will fall for some. I think this movie is damn near guaranteed to reach a billion, especially with it releasing in China, but in the unlikely event it doesn't, forget about it.

There will be articles, videos, and who knows what else about why and where this movie "went wrong" and how the sequel needs to "course correct" again.

The Russia/Ukraine conflict and the prospect of war could dampen international BO a bit, and I mean that in the most matter-of-fact way possible (obviously that situation is far more pressing than a movie's financial performance). I'm less confident in a billion dollars than I was a couple of weeks ago.

This is feeling like $650-$800 million to me. Still an excellent performance that should get a sequel greenlit.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Not trying to blame them. They're good movies, but I just feel movies like The Batman, Infinity War, Batman Begins, Dune, etc. having lower scores than something like Homecoming, Wonder Woman, Black Panther, etc. just feels not right. Again, that's just my opinion, and the latters are all very good movie.

The “tomatometer” is not a ranking. It’s a percentage of critics who liked a movie. A movie with strong themes and ideas that bucks the trend of current films will never score as highly.

 

[TheScarecrow]

The negative reviews about tone only concern me because WB is dumb as hell. Look at how they reacted to the complaints about Batman Returns and BvS. They forced an over correction and made a mess of the following film. If people cry enough about the dark tone I wouldnt put it past WB to push Reeves for a lighter tone in which case his working relationship will become strained, the sequel could be compromised, or he could just walk away from the sequel entirely.

I think this is revisionist history here. Never underestimate how much of a financial disaster BR and BvS were. It had little to do with critical reception.

Batman Returns made just 64% of what its predecessor made and destroyed WB’s relationships with its marketing partners. BvS opened huge and had MASSIVE drops.

BvS literally has a just above 2x domestic multiplier. To put it in perspective, even Suicide Squad had nearly a 3x domestic multiplier. Wonder Woman a 4x multiplier.

 

[fake]

I think this is revisionist history here. Never underestimate how much of a financial disaster BR and BvS were. It had little to do with critical reception.

Batman Returns made just 64% of what its predecessor made and destroyed WB’s relationships with its marketing partners. BvS opened huge and had MASSIVE drops.

BvS literally has a just above 2x domestic multiplier. To put it in perspective, even Suicide Squad had nearly a 3x domestic multiplier. Wonder Woman a 4x multiplier.

BvS has just below a 2x actually. The second weekend drop for BvS is among the biggest ones ever seen.

It remains the only movie to open above 150M to not get a 2x multiplier and one of only 3 movies opening above 150M to not get to 1 Billion - the other 2 being Hunger Games and Catching Fire which weren't distributed uniformly overseas because Lionsgate sells OS territories off.

 

[dhandler01]

Different era, different management, but him bringing up Batman Returns to make his point isn't wrong in this case, you know how often history repeats itself.


One thing to note though; children now are harder to scare than us when we were their age. A darker tone and a more aggressive Batman with a temper tantrum might not be as emotionally scarring as Batman punching a guy into the sewer after placing lit dynamite in his pants.

Sorry but it is wrong. Expectations for what comic films were in the 1990s as opposed to what various types of comic films are expected to do now are just not the same. It isn't an apples to oranges comparison. Returns was expected to be a four quadrant film after how much money '89. The Batman is obviously courting a different type of audience and comic films of all styles are more accepted by the GA now than they were in the 80s/90s.

There were plenty of reviews of Nolan's films that discussed the darkness I bet...where was the course correction there?

Context matters and a Batman film in 199x is going to have a different expectation than one now and WB hasn't really meddled with films when critics and fans actually like them. It is when they become divisive and critics pan them that they stick their noses in.

JMHO.

 

[dhandler01]

The Russia/Ukraine conflict and the prospect of war could dampen international BO a bit, and I mean that in the most matter-of-fact way possible (obviously that situation is far more pressing than a movie's financial performance). I'm less confident in a billion dollars than I was a couple of weeks ago.

This is feeling like $650-$800 million to me. Still an excellent performance that should get a sequel greenlit.

A sequel will likely be greenlit after this weekend. I wouldn't even know where to begin to guess on BO total though but domestically it should do quite well it has zero competition.

 

[emielaen]

Was someone expecting BP reception or BP quality? Cause uhhh

 

[DKDetective]

Was someone expecting BP reception or BP quality? Cause uhhh

To be fair, the average score for The Batman is at 7.9 and Black Panther's was 8.3. That is pretty damned close in my estimation.

The score for this film in holding pretty strong in the upper 80s and and the average rating is holding at about 8.0. That is damned impressive. It is the best response a DC film has gotten The Dark Knight Rises a decade ago.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

Just a heads up there are couple of bad reviews coming. Washington Post and Dark Horizons. Washington Post thought it was funny to title the review "Robert Pattinson channels the vampire Edward Cullen" I didn't even click on it, I can't take you serious if you're bringing back twilight jokes from 2010.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Just heads up there are couple of bad reviews coming. Washington Post and Dark Horizons. Washington Post thought it was funny to title the review "Robert Pattinson channels the vampire Edward Cullen" I didn't even click on it, I can't take you serious if you're bringing back twilight jokes from 2010.

This reeks of them not even acknowledging Pattinsons filmography since then.

 

[Invader Joker]

The Russia/Ukraine conflict and the prospect of war could dampen international BO a bit, and I mean that in the most matter-of-fact way possible (obviously that situation is far more pressing than a movie's financial performance). I'm less confident in a billion dollars than I was a couple of weeks ago.

This is feeling like $650-$800 million to me. Still an excellent performance that should get a sequel greenlit.

I don't see how those events would prevent anyone from watching the movie if they're not from those territories.

 

[Bats123]

Nothing wrong with 87% at all.
Infinity War sits at 85% and thats in my top 5 CBMs of all time.

 

[Invader Joker]

Again: of the people that loved it, a good chunk DO consider this to be TDK quality or even better. The RT percentage alone doesn't determine the quality, just how many critics liked the movie and there are bound to be a lot that don't like it for its dark tone.