Eternals Rotten Tomatoes watch thread

[samsnee]

You do realise that RT list all of the reviews for any given film on their site, right? Meaning that anyone can assess the reviews for themselves. They also give an average review score in addition to the percentage, which often gives a better indication of how positive/negative the critical response was overall.

I find it astonishing how many folks reserve a special level of hatred for RT when literally all they do is look at reviews from OTHER people and aggregate their scores. I'm not aware that they claim to be the last word on film criticism.

His point is people’s attention spans have become so short that they will judge a film simply by a percentage. No one is going to take the time to read through reviews to get a more nuanced approach.

 

[Fosterson]

His point is people’s attention spans have become so short that they will judge a film simply by a percentage. No one is going to take the time to read through reviews to get a more nuanced approach.

OK, but that's not RT's fault. That would be like blaming a newspaper for the fact that people only read their headlines instead of the article.

 

[Evil Twin]

The problem is that the average rating is a super flawed metric because a good chunk of reviews on RT don't have scores, just a fresh/rotten.

Not really. If you have a large enough sample size, it's likely to be statistically significant with a small margin of error. The excluded scores are likely to fall within the normal distribution curve.

 

[Evil Twin]

A couple of thoughts.

1. We're kind of landing in the gray area of RT which isn't really set up for nuance. I think the most accurate description of the critics reviews is "mixed / positive" which to be honest there are a bunch of Marvel films that fall into that category, especially when you consider scores.

2. We should wait to see the film before fully judging the critics reviews. FWIW, I think we're setting the bar awfully low if shooting on location in natural light, a thing thousands of films have done, is considered "pretentious".

 

[Dr.]

You do realise that RT list all of the reviews for any given film on their site, right? Meaning that anyone can assess the reviews for themselves. They also give an average review score in addition to the percentage, which often gives a better indication of how positive/negative the critical response was overall.

Yes, I do realize. And, no doubt, RT would be quick to mention that they don’t write the reviews; they merely aggregate them. Moreover, they’d point to those resources and alternative methods for evaluation that you cite. IOW, nobody is obligated to use the fresh/rotten reductionism. But as a matter of fact, most do. I don’t blame RT for this. I’m just observing that society/pop culture seems to have elevated RT’s binary decrees to the status of received wisdom.

 

[MasterBoss]

Not really. If you have a large enough sample size, it's likely to be statistically significant with a small margin of error. The excluded scores are likely to fall within the normal distribution curve.

But you can't say it's an accurate number if not all reviews have scores.

One F score can drastically effect an average rating, likewise an A+.

 

[Detective Conan]

In retrospect, given the reviews, I now interpret this tweet totally differently now…..

 

[Kev4000]

In retrospect, given the reviews, I now interpret this tweet totally differently now…..

The thing about this is.. How could that happen?
I mean isnt Feige or some other managers involved in anything inclusive greenlightning the script, doing set visits?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Marvel may well be happy with the film. I am sure Marvel hoped for better scores on RT, but a low score doesn't mean Marvel is unhappy with the film or anything.

 

[TheVileOne]

In retrospect, given the reviews, I now interpret this tweet totally differently now…..

I mean I remember reading such early reactions about Batman v Superman. There was that story about WB executives giving early rough cut screenings "standing ovations" and wanting to lock down Ben Affleck for multiple film deals.

1. You can't take rumors like this at face value. I'm always skeptical about everything. Even when a studio announces it.
2. Things like this aren't always reliable. The person feeding that rumor could be an unreliable source or they could just be trying to shape the public and social media narrative for the film.
3. That's why I don't believe these other rumors about internal reactions struggling with the stories and such and such. Even if that's from a focus group or test screening audiences, to be frank, test screening audiences aren't always reliable either and they don't always influence the movie in a positive way.

The thing about this is.. How could that happen?
I mean isnt Feige or some other managers involved in anything inclusive greenlightning the script, doing set visits?

How could it happen? This is the movie business. It happens with fair regularity. No one sets out to make a bad movie. But bad movies just happen. So many elements are at work. Plus making the movie isn't the same as releasing it and putting it in front of audiences, which granted, still hasn't happened for this film. It's simply lukewarm with critics at this point.

 

[Zyraquis]

I think I read some new reviews now actually pushing back complaints from critics about this film, even they themselves only give it a passing-to-good grade. Yeah it is pretty divisive. Critics war incoming!

 

[Holy Slapper]

I think I read some new reviews now actually pushing back complaints from critics about this film, even they themselves only give it a passing-to-good grade. Yeah it is pretty divisive. Critics war incoming!

You mean this from the NPR review?

The film pushes back against the usual complaints offered up by those who harbor a performative disdain for Marvel's cinematic output.

 

[Marvolo]

People thought the Reeds or Watts' of the world would deliver Marvel's first rotten but it turns out it was the oscar winner. Funny that

Similar thing happened in Phase 2. People thought Alan Taylor from Game of Thrones would knock Thor 2 out of the park and thought the Russos, directors of You Me and Dupree, would **** the bed with Winter Soldier. Turned out to be the complete opposite.

People fail to consider what working in the Disney system and the big studio system can do to a director. Some directors can thrive in the big studio system making massive blockbusters. Some directors end up floundering or drowning entirely. Taylor was a director that drowned in the big studio system. The Russos on the other hand thrived at Marvel and benefited greatly from Feige and Disney watching over them.

 

[TheVileOne]

Similar thing happened in Phase 2. People thought Alan Taylor from Game of Thrones would knock Thor 2 out of the park and thought the Russos, directors of You Me and Dupree, would **** the bed with Winter Soldier. Turned out to be the complete opposite.

People fail to consider what working in the Disney system and the big studio system can do to a director. Some directors can thrive in the big studio system making massive blockbusters. Some directors end up floundering or drowning entirely. Taylor was a director that drowned in the big studio system. The Russos on the other hand thrived at Marvel and benefited greatly from Fiege and Disney watching over them.

Makes me wonder what could've been with Patty Jenkins on The Dark World.

Elsewhere, Lord and Miller on SOLO. I don't think Lord and Miller would've done worse than Ron Howard.

 

[mace1]

Marvel’s Eternals Is Currently The Lowest-Rated MCU Film - Reaction & Thoughts!

 

[Jordanstine]

That RT review came from someone named Wade Major at CineGod.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Similar thing happened in Phase 2. People thought Alan Taylor from Game of Thrones would knock Thor 2 out of the park and thought the Russos, directors of You Me and Dupree, would **** the bed with Winter Soldier. Turned out to be the complete opposite.

People fail to consider what working in the Disney system and the big studio system can do to a director. Some directors can thrive in the big studio system making massive blockbusters. Some directors end up floundering or drowning entirely. Taylor was a director that drowned in the big studio system. The Russos on the other hand thrived at Marvel and benefited greatly from Feige and Disney watching over them.

To be fair, it must have been a lot harder to make an MCU flick back when Perlmutter and the Marvel creative committee were still interfering with the films..

 

[mace1]

Marvel's Eternals The Death Blow to the MCU & The Reality


Marvel's Eternals Gets Review Bombed by Angry Mob

 

[mace1]

By the way looking at some of reviews and folks who look at the the reviews some are saying there is very little action in eternals and it's boring and some are saying ther is a good amount of action it and not saying it is boring.
It's amazing that some could see the same film and have two opposite extreme views when it comes to that for example.

 

[BlackFox]

By the way looking at some of reviews and folks who look at the the reviews some are saying there is very little action in eternals and it's boring and some are saying ther is a good amount of action it and not saying it is boring.
It's amazing that some could see the same film and have two opposite extreme views when it comes to that for example.

Some say it sticks to the MCU formula which drags it down and others that its not like the MCU formula enough and thats the problem.

 

[Bren]

Some say this thread might be more entertaining than the film.

All I know is, I can't wait to watch the film myself hahaha

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The user rating provides a second opinion which is sometimes necessary.

For example critics gave Blade a rotten rating but users gave it almost an 80 percent. I think the critics were flat out wrong here.

And I've found that the most accurate rating for me is to average or combine the critic and user rating.

So yeah definitely keep the user rating. The imdb user rating is another story. Too much review bombing.

 

[Filmfreak]

The user rating provides a second opinion which is sometimes necessary.

For example critics gave Blade a rotten rating but users gave it almost an 80 percent. I think the critics were flat out wrong here.

And I've found that the most accurate rating for me is to average or combine the critic and user rating.

So yeah definitely keep the user rating. The imdb user rating is another story. Too much review bombing.

That's only half-true. It is unreliable in the beginning but after a while where more people vote there is a balance. The bombing is eventually a very small percentage in the hundreds of thousand that end up rating a popular film.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Yea. For all the noise about Captain Marvel and TLJ getting review bombed they both eventually settled around the 7/10 range on IMDB

 

[samsnee]

Yes after 20 films they made a movie that isn’t universally loved. It’s the end for them.