Eternals Rotten Tomatoes watch thread

[blackdragon6]

I definitely hate the movie personally, regardless of the sexist place the criticisms initially came from. I just don't like that movie. It seemed more like a Margot Robbie vanity project than an actual BoP film. Not to mention the pandering shallow Feminism in the movie. Luckily I hate WW84 a lot more tho.

I never bothered watching either of them again. And that rarely happens with me. Hell I watched Batman & Robin at least TWICE lol

 

[blackdragon6]

It's almost like that doesn't matter since Black Panther still has a 96% even with that extra influx of reviews.
Captain Marvel was also very well received by critics so I don't know what you're going on about. So was BoP. It was the audience that rejected BoP at the box office.

Yeah, BP and CM did great at the box office while BoP crashed and burned. FWIW tho, I thought CM was eye crossingly dull tbh.

 

[TheVileOne]

That's the point. Venom has 300 some odd reviews. Shang-Chi? 320. Venom 2? 240. The Suicide Squad, 350.

But you just named three movies with female leads, who speak out against sexism, and Black ****ing Panther. The right wing's favorite toy for at least a month. It's almost like we got a lot of "extra" reviews for the movies that the right didn't like. Captain Marvel has 4 less reviews then Endgame and 60 more then Infinity War.

I still don't get your point. Critical reviews for Birds of Prey were largely positive.

Birds of Prey wasn't a zeitgeist film. I love it, but it isn't a movie that got a lot of attention. Outside of the fact that a lot of people were upset that they made an all female lead flick. And yet it somehow ended up with more reviews then Civil War and 6 less then BvS. That it and Captain Marvel have the same score on RT doesn't really feel like a coincidence either.

What people are you referring to? Critics and reviewers? I think that's largely nonsense. There could also be any number of reasons to explain for those differences in review counts.

This is an unfounded argument with really nothing to back it up. Case in point, Variety posted that video and look at Owen Gleiberman's own review while it leans toward the positive side is critical of the film and Chloe Zao's work.

Also, if there are alt-right dirtbags in the Tomato Meter, who are mainly ****ting on the movie because its directed by a woman, and I submit to the idea that it's possible, the only way to drown out and even the playing field from those types of reviews is to INCREASE the review count and add more reviews to the overall consensus.

 

[TheVileOne]

The problem I get with Eternals is that it didn't live up to the hype of being different, while simultaneously trying to keep the standard Marvel formula. And you ended up with a terrible film that pleased nobody. I will say this, Eternals definitely doesn't deserve to be "the first rotten MCU movie". I think Marvel had other prior films that are just as deserving imo.

Iron Man 3 and The Dark World are more deserving.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's almost like that doesn't matter since Black Panther still has a 96% even with that extra influx of reviews.
Captain Marvel was also very well received by critics so I don't know what you're going on about. So was BoP. It was the audience that rejected BoP at the box office.

79% is not "very well received" on RT. Kingdom come came when Iron Man 3 got that score. It's only 5 percent above CF. Black Panther swept the top critics. How often does a genre film do better with Top Critics then the RT average?

 

[TheVileOne]

79% is not "very well received" on RT. Kingdom come came when Iron Man 3 got that score. It's only 5 percent above CF. Black Panther swept the top critics. How often does a genre film do better with Top Critics then the RT average?

Respectfully DarthSkywalker that's your opinion. It's well received compared to the lukewarm reception critics and audiences had for HULK and INCREDIBLE HULK.

Audiences also fairly liked Captain Marvel as well. It did incredibly well. It was generally well received by critics.

You're looking at the number rather than the big picture.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, BP and CM did great at the box office while BoP crashed and burned. FWIW tho, I thought CM was eye crossingly dull tbh.

People have varied views on their movies just as critics do. It's not necessarily an agenda.

That's like saying critics who liked the 2016 Ghostbusters movie only reviewed it positively because it starred women.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I still don't get your point. Critical reviews for Birds of Prey were largely positive.



What people are you referring to? Critics and reviewers? I think that's largely nonsense. There could also be any number of reasons to explain for those differences in review counts.

This is an unfounded argument with really nothing to back it up. Case in point, Variety posted that video and look at Owen Gleiberman's own review while it leans toward the positive side is critical of the film and Chloe Zao's work.

Also, if there are alt-right dirtbags in the Tomato Meter, who are mainly ****ting on the movie because its directed by a woman, and I submit to the idea that it's possible, the only way to drown out and even the playing field from those types of reviews is to INCREASE the review count and add more reviews to the overall consensus.

You can only push the number up so high by averaging it out in such a manner. Say a movie has 100 reviews normally, and 10 are negative. You end up with 90%. But if you get an influx of say 30 more then usual. They skew negative for whatever reason. 16 negatives. Your average is now 77%. Pushing the number up doesn't necessarily make things better.

I'm not going to say BoP or Captain Marvel were beloved by the critics, because they weren't. But I also don't think they got review numbers out of the norm randomly, considering the conversation around them. Give them the normal number of reviews, and I'd argue they fall closer to the mid 80s.

 

[mace1]

RT scores for the audience talk.

Audience Scores For Eternals Soar Despite Critic Ratings

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Respectfully DarthSkywalker that's your opinion. It's well received compared to the lukewarm reception critics and audiences had for HULK and INCREDIBLE HULK.

Audiences also fairly liked Captain Marvel as well. It did incredibly well. It was generally well received by critics.

You're looking at the number rather than the big picture.

. Using your reasoning, it would be fair to say The Dark World was very well received because it has a positive RT score. Would you compare it's reception to TDK? "well received"? After all, nearly 7 in 10 critics recommended it. Of course not. Because that's not how RT works. And that's what we are talking about when bringing up RT numbers in relation to perception from critics. We have people in here watching to see whether Eternals stays under 50%. Why does 49% matter in comparison to 53%?

Though again, I am not talking the usual suspects, hence the point of bring up the vast influx of reviews. It's kind of like when you are talking about say, Brie Larson. And people are doing fine, and then randomly a poster shows up to tell you how she's unlikable and that she's mean to white men, and thus that's why she's so hated. With a system like RT, that 1 in 10 *******s matters for the overall average.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Audience Scores For Eternals Soar Despite Critic Ratings

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[TheVileOne]

. Using your reasoning, it would be fair to say The Dark World was very well received because it has a positive RT score. Would you compare it's reception to TDK? "well received"? After all, nearly 7 in 10 critics recommended it. Of course not. Because that's not how RT works. And that's what we are talking about when bringing up RT numbers in relation to perception from critics. We have people in here watching to see whether Eternals stays under 50%. Why does 49% matter in comparison to 53%?

Dark World isn't Certified Fresh. No Certified Fresh rating. Captain Marvel and Birds of Prey and Black Widows? Certified Fresh rating.

If fans got nuclear here because Captain Marvel ended with a 79 instead of an 80, I'm sorry that's dumb. And it's not proof of any type of agenda.

I don't know why 53% matters to some people versus 49% other than that it's lower. Lower = worse I guess.

Though again, I am not talking the usual suspects, hence the point of bring up the vast influx of reviews. It's kind of like when you are talking about say, Brie Larson. And people are doing fine, and then randomly a poster shows up to tell you how she's unlikable and that she's mean to white men, and thus that's why she's so hated. With a system like RT, that 1 in 10 *******s matters for the overall average.

I don't see that among film critics. I see that among morons on Twitter.

 

[Snow Queen]

What people are you referring to? Critics and reviewers? I think that's largely nonsense. There could also be any number of reasons to explain for those differences in review counts.

I'm curious, what reasons would you suggest to explain that kind of thing? Given Birds of Prey, love it though I do, didn't really touch a cultural nerve outside of being used as the bi-monthly right wing youtube punching bag, I would think that touching such a nerve would account for the influx - both in defense and to punch at.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm curious, what reasons would you suggest to explain that kind of thing? Given Birds of Prey, love it though I do, didn't really touch a cultural nerve outside of being used as the bi-monthly right wing youtube punching bag, I would think that touching such a nerve would account for the influx - both in defense and to punch at.

Well for one thing, Birds of Prey came out pre-COVID shutdowns, and it was a major release at the time. Also, I don't know how many reviews it had during its actual release versus how many were added later as it got released on streaming and home video. I reviewed the film, and I'm not on Rotten Tomatoes. Are all those alt-right YouTubers you're referring to on Rotten Tomatoes? If they're review bombing and punching down on the film, why wasn't the score lower compared to The Dark World?

 

[TheVileOne]

You can only push the number up so high by averaging it out in such a manner. Say a movie has 100 reviews normally, and 10 are negative. You end up with 90%. But if you get an influx of say 30 more then usual. They skew negative for whatever reason. 16 negatives. Your average is now 77%. Pushing the number up doesn't necessarily make things better.

I'm not going to say BoP or Captain Marvel were beloved by the critics, because they weren't. But I also don't think they got review numbers out of the norm randomly, considering the conversation around them. Give them the normal number of reviews, and I'd argue they fall closer to the mid 80s.

From what I can tell for a major comic book superhero release. Those numbers are not outside the norm.

 

[Invader Joker]

79% is not "very well received" on RT. Kingdom come came when Iron Man 3 got that score. It's only 5 percent above CF. Black Panther swept the top critics. How often does a genre film do better with Top Critics then the RT average?

79% is not well received in RT? In what universe? It is an extremely good score for any movie. I think most filmmakers would die for their movies to at least get that much when that comes out. It means that 8 out of 10 critics recommend the film.

Black Panther has a 96%. That means only 4% of critics didn't like the film, how can you possibly complain about that?

 

[TheVileOne]

79% is not well received in RT? In what universe? It is an extremely good score for any movie. I think most filmmakers would die for their movies to at least get that much when that comes out. It means that 8 out of 10 critics recommend the film.

Black Panther has a 96%. That means only 4% of critics didn't like the film, how can you possibly complain about that?

Joker movie has 68%, lol BASED OFF 588 REVIEWS. You can really read into these scores and numbers however you want.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Dark World isn't Certified Fresh. No Certified Fresh rating. Captain Marvel and Birds of Prey and Black Widows? Certified Fresh rating.

If fans got nuclear here because Captain Marvel ended with a 79 instead of an 80, I'm sorry that's dumb. And it's not proof of any type of agenda.

I don't know why 53% matters to some people versus 49% other than that it's lower. Lower = worse I guess.

Fans went nuclear over Iron Man 3.

I don't see that among film critics. I see that among morons on Twitter.

Are you under the assumption that there aren't any critics on twitter that are on RT? Because Grace Randolph and pretty much every reviewer for a major publication say hi.

Well for one thing, Birds of Prey came out pre-COVID shutdowns, and it was a major release at the time. Also, I don't know how many reviews it had during its actual release versus how many were added later as it got released on streaming and home video. I reviewed the film, and I'm not on Rotten Tomatoes. Are all those alt-right YouTubers you're referring to on Rotten Tomatoes? If they're review bombing and punching down on the film, why wasn't the score lower compared to The Dark World?

The last 3 Fast movies all have round 300 reviews, with the film with the most reviews being the one that came out during COVID. How was Birds of Prey a bigger release then those flicks? Outside of course, the culture war surrounding it.

No one said the entire group that showed up was there to simply "down vote it". I'd say plenty of not usual reviewers showed up to review Birds from a feminist perspective. But when your movie is average say 85-90%, even a 60/40 split against it based on an influx of not usual reviews, trends it negative.

So you go from a 85% to a 79%. It's really not difficult to understand. It's very basic math.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fans went nuclear over Iron Man 3.

Which is dumb. Also, Iron Man 3 came out over 8 years ago. The movie doesn't hold up nearly as well for me as it did at the time. Views on movies can change and sour or even improve over time. Even Roger Ebert acknowledged later on that he thought the South Park movie was a good film which he trashed when he first saw it.

Are you under the assumption that there aren't any critics on twitter that are on RT? Because Grace Randolph and pretty much every reviewer for a major publication say hi.

That's not who I'm referring to.

The last 3 Fast movies all have round 300 reviews, with the film with the most reviews being the one that came out during COVID. How was Birds of Prey a bigger release then those flicks? Outside of course, the culture war surrounding it.

Fast 9 - 59%
Fate of the Furious - 57%
Hobbs & Shaw - 67%

So if those movies get another 200 reviews, does it go up or down? Basically, you're only pointing out that a larger number of critics still far preferred Birds of Prey and Captain Marvel to these Fast movies.

No one said the entire group that showed up was there to simply "down vote it". I'd say plenty of not usual reviewers showed up to review Birds from a feminist perspective. But when your movie is average say 85-90%, even a 60/40 split against it based on an influx of not usual reviews, trends it negative.

So you go from a 85% to a 79%. It's really not difficult to understand. It's very basic match.

I think deep down what you're upset about is that Birds of Prey and Captain Marvel are right on the edge of 80% and it doesn't look quite as nice.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Are some people really trying to say RT is now including a bunch of trolls/right-leaning critics who's only mission it is to drive scores up/down for certain films? That is nuts because that is clearly not happening.

 

[TheVileOne]

DC's Joker - 68% on Rotten Tomatoes. Wins best Actor for Joaquin. Nominated for 10 Academy Awards including Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Screenplay. That's a prestige film. People are putting far too much weight on Rotten Tomato Meter, as per usual. They connect their identity to the Rotten Tomato Score.

I look at it for what it is. It's a an aggregate for critic reviews and a general idea of whether critics liked or disliked a film.

Are some people really trying to say RT is now including a bunch of trolls/right-leaning critics who's only mission it is to drive scores up/down for certain films? That is nuts because that is clearly not happening.

That seems to be the underlying argument as suggested by Variety, discounting the fact that Variety's own film critic only gave the movie a middling, mildly positive review.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

79% is not well received in RT? In what universe? It is an extremely good score for any movie. I think most filmmakers would die for their movies to at least get that much when that comes out. It means that 8 out of 10 critics recommend the film.

Black Panther has a 96%. That means only 4% of critics didn't like the film, how can you possibly complain about that?

I'm not complaining about Black Panther's reception. If 79% is "extremely good", what is 96%? Extremely, extremely good?

I am going to make this very clear. The movies would have a higher score, if they had the median amount of reviews. But, because of their footprint inside the culture wars, they got dinged on RT. Maybe not Black Panther. But Captain Marvel and BoP? Yes imo.

If you do not believe that to be the case, why do you believe Captain Marvel, Birds of Prey and Black Panther ended up with so many reviews? Do you not think Black Panther got an influx of reviewers that perhaps don't cover such movies, do to it's cultural significance? Both it and Captain Marvel were advertised by Disney with that in mind. So you think it didn't come up? It's the same with Joker. Which had hug culture war implications, that were ll over the reviews.

As I pointed out in the original post that started this discussion. My issue with bringing up this conversation with Eternals, is it feels like we just had two movies obviously attacked from this basis in BoP and 84, but were overlooked for a reason I do not understand.

 

[Green Goblin]

RT scores for the audience talk.

Audience Scores For Eternals Soar Despite Critic Ratings

It's only just out. It'll drop.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Are some people really trying to say RT is now including a bunch of trolls/right-leaning critics who's only mission it is to drive scores up/down for certain films? That is nuts because that is clearly not happening.

No. I don't think RT themselves are doing anything. But are you under the assumption that the film critics on RT are just all left leaning? Also, how do you think one because an RT critic?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

No. I don't think RT themselves are doing anything. But are you under the assumption that the film critics on RT are just all left leaning? Also, how do you think one because an RT critic?

I'd say the vast majority covering entertainment/film are but there are definitely some right-leaning ones as well. I just don't see that these critics or some of the recent RT-approved ones are review-bombing Eternals or any other films in general, especially when looking at most of the critics' review histories.