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Zaphods IRON-MAN Movie Concept: ROUGH DRAFT #1

This movie would combine elements of modern war movies, political-drama's, a spy-thriller (of the James Bond variety, with a heavy emphasise on technology and gadgets, and sexy female assassins, with Hammers connections with former Soviets), and other science fiction elements, which made up the comic book. The overall tone would be a hybrid of these genres, since I want this to be a generally fun movie that anyone could enjoy, but if you dig only a little deeper (without being pretentious about it), there is a theme going on, of technology, humanities greatness and frailties living side by side, coupled together in a geo-political climate going on in the background.

These ideas are rather incomplete, but they provide at least a general idea of the direct my Iron-Man movie would go. I'm still working on it, so expect more (but not too soon!, and Herr, in other news, prepare for a Bat-post very soon.

Ok, so here we go:

A helicopter makes its way across the ocean, accompanied by an entourage of other military and specialized helicopter craft. One is larger than the rest, and is hulling in a large device of powerful calibre. Inside the first, black, luxury class helicopter sits millionaire industrialist and inventor, Tony Stark, head of Stark Industries. A young, handsome man, a playboy in both appearance and demeanour, Stark sits in a fine suit, sipping a glass of scotch as he watches a mounted wall-television. His manner seems unperturbed, as his secretaries and business associates bombard him with figures, documents, plans and blueprints for the device being carried by the other supporting craft. An aura of arrogance surrounds the man. We cut to the television, a news anchor begins a new story on Tony Stark himself, and we learn of the events as they take place. Tony Stark is heading to the Gulf, and in tow is his new invention, a super-powered transistor magnet, which is set to be field tested to demonstrate its usefulness for the US military. Stark, inherited his Fathers industry after his parents were killed in a fatal car-accident. Already having demonstrated a supreme mind in the fields of design and technology, Stark took it upon himself to use his Parents death as an example of technological incompetence, and bought out the company that made the faulty breaks and repaired them. This would be covered in the news broadcast. We’d also learn of the Stark Industries lucrative bid against Hammer Industries, to become the leading designer and manufacturer of technology for the US military. Hammer would appear on-screen, commenting on his company’s position and what it has to offer in opposition to Stark. One reporter asks Hammer to comment on claims that ‘he is the past, and that Stark is the future’, with Hammer refusing to comment and being ushered away by his entourage.

We cut to Stark and his aerial entourage touching down in the Gulf, they land in a war-torn, derelict city where only a small number of the local populace live alongside US intervention forces. Stepping out from the helicopter, Stark is removed of his jacket by an accompanying offer, fitted with a flak jacket and given a nametag. Stark is led by an Officer to meet the Colonel in charge of the test operation, and the Colonel briefs Stark on the current situation:

US Marines took control of the City a month ago, since then they have attempted to work alongside local raw-civilian forces in driving out and defending the local populace from the ever-rising Insurgent forces. However, the current situation looks bleak, and the only reason there testing the weapon in such an enclosed space is due to the non-offensive nature of the device in question and the safety of continued defence by US forces.

We cut to Stark and the Colonel setting up the weapon for testing, preparing to test its effects on a steel metal door. Here we’d demonstrate Starks creative genius as well as his arrogance, as he battles with the Colonel in a game of egos for who’s really in charge of the test operation.

As this goes on, Insurgents have infiltrated the City, and are placing trip wires and explosives around the structure, in alleyways, on rooftops, against buildings.

Finally the device is ready to go, and Stark begins to charge it. As it charges, gunfire is heard from nearby, alerted, the Colonel demands answers over the radio, and is told that Insurgents have been spotted in City and are being engaged. The Colonel orders Stark to retreat and Stark does so, knowing that he can prevent the weapon going of by an emergency fail-safe transmitter he has about his person. Stark is led away at a fast pace by the Colonel and accompanying Marines, as they turn a corner, gunfire comes out of know where in Starks direction, and Stark is dived at to ‘get down’ by one of the soldiers. Stark drops the transmitter device, and before he can reclaim it, he is forced away again by the Marines. Stark struggles to regain the fail safe, but is prevented from going back by the Marine, who tells him that the device doesn’t provide any immediate dangers, and that they need to get out. However, they’re wrong. The fail-safe device is then destroyed under-gunfire, and under the wonderful logical of Hollywood science! The transistor magnet is set on an overcharge function, spreading its wave wide over the entire surrounding area instead of its focused point.

Stark is now being led down an alley by the Marines, and as he moves further and further down the narrow path, he unknowingly approaches a trip wire, getting closer, the Marine leading Stark notices it and prevents them from walking into it. Just then however, the magnet goes of. An audible burst of energies is set of, weapons are yanked from the grip on infantry, doors of local buildings come of their hinges, and the metal of the trip wire goes of, exploding the explosive directly in front of Stark. Stark is hurled a great distance by the explosion, and a piece of shrapnel embeds itself in his chest. The Marine is killed instantly, but Stark is left clinging onto dear life, bleeding.

As fire goes on around them from military and Insurgent forces, Stark struggles to catch his breathe and regain his sight from the effects of the explosion, but as he comes around he see’s that he is surrounding by a group of Insurgents, bearing weapons aimed at him and talking among themselves in some foreign language. One of then kneels down and checks the nametag, the Insurgent takes notice that they may have happened across a worthwhile hostage, and they drag him up and out of the City, through the gunfire that rages on. Loading him into a truck, they drive away with Stark.

Stark is finally brought to a faraway base, of terrorist leader, Wong Chu (name to change). Wong Chu recognizes Stark as the ‘Yankee inventor’, and sends him to captive physician, Yinsen (name to also change). Yinsen operates on Stark, only able to sterilize the wound given its severity. Yinsen tells Stark that a piece of shrapnel has embedded itself inside his chest, and that it is a matter of time before it penetrates further and pieces his heart, killing him.
Wong Chu tells Stark that in return for building a powerful weapon for them, he will be admitted to an expert physician and his life will be saved. Stark agrees, but only so he can be allowed access to materials in creating something enabling him to escape captivity.

We then see a montage; Stark first creates a very simple device based on the core principles of his magnet-transistor shown early in the movie. Only this time, the idea is to have two opposing magnetised currents, so that they will cancel each other out. Stark adopts this in making sure the shrapnel in his heart stays where it is and doesn’t get any closer to the heart, at least until he can seek proper medical help. After doing this successfully, Stark begins drawing about plans to create a powerful suit of armour, he uses scrap metal and makes everything of worth he can find. Stark would mostly be shown creating the suit without Yinsen’s help. He would be shown explaining the nature of his creation to Yinsen, and even having the physician help out in basic labour, and the smuggling of equipment, but the inventive aptitude and creative intellect would be all Tony’s. Yinsen would be shown throughout this montage as routinely checking up on Starks heart and the device helping it, to ensure it is still functioning properly.

Finally, Stark finishes up creating the suit of armour. This first set of armour shown would be a basic translation of that same first armour we ever saw Stark wear in the comics, a pale metallic grey, although I would want it to have a far less sleeker design, since this is all meant to be scrap metal, it should have a rusty look. From here, we get a pretty-straight forward translation from the comics. Yinsen distracts the approaching Wong Chu and his men, costing him his life, and Stark successfully charges up in time to bust himself out of the base.

Now we get to the beginning of the goods! Stark escapes the base, taking on Insurgents who dare take him on in his wake. Since the armour Stark wears at this stage isn’t as refined and advanced as it will be later, given the resources, I’d limit the ability of the armour somewhat; He’d be able to catapult himself vast distances, due to a basic booster system calibrated into the heels. The buzz saw would also be there, but far larger and wrist attached. As Stark gets further and further outside the base, and closer to the area where he was first captured, we see that in the wake of the accident leading to Starks capture, open conflict has overrun the entire place, leading to immense intervention by the military as Marines engage in intensive fire and helicopters are fired upon by Insurgents firing rocket launchers.

As Stark continues his escape through the warring city, leaping amazing heights and fending of attacks as he does so, we then cut to the inside of a Marine helicopter, piloted by American Air-Force pilot, James Rhodes. As Rhodes pilots the helicopter, he is fired upon by an group of Insurgents manning a rocket –launcher. Managing to divert his craft from a direct hit, the rocket catches only the tail end of Rhodes helicopter, but it is still enough to send him down. Manoeuvring as best as he can to guarantee a safer landing, Rhodes crashes down in the City amidst enemy fire, injured, but only lightly. Trying the radio to no avail, Rhodes takes out a handgun and leaves his destroyed helicopter, cautiously making his way through the City.

Here, I’d interchange between each character in between action sequences. Stark would be owning all over the place, where’s Rhodes is struggling more.
Finally, the Stark and Rhodes cross paths, Stark would rescue Rhodes from some near fatal gunfire or something, and the two would agree to find a way to escape together. Iron-Man would introduce himself as ‘Starks personal bodyguard’ and that the man himself is safe having been rescued and flown out of harms way previously. I’m not sure how the next series of scenes would play out exactly, but I know that the way the two escape would change somewhat. Instead of hijacking an enemies helicopter, I’d have Stark and Rhodes happen across a downed US military helicopter, in one piece, but no longer operational. While Rhodes fends of attack from oncoming Insurgents, Stark would use what remains of the existing battery power in his Iron suit, to power up the helicopter for their escape.

This entire origin sequence, from the opening of the movie to Stark escaping with Rhodes by helicopter should take no more than 30 – 40 minutes.

Back in America, Stark is crowned as a hero for his efforts in escaping enemy capture, and at a party commending his safety and efforts, Stark unveils the expansion of his company, from Stark Industries, into Stark International. Initially, Hammer is secretly delighted that the field test with Stark went as disastorously as it did, in the hope that it will secure his faithfullness and ruin Starks name, however it does the opposite, makign Stark a hero for escaping (although the public have no idea he did so under the guise of 'Iron-Man', the story would be that he tunneled his way out and met up with a helicopter that flew him out). Stark International is set to become the main head of technology design for the US military, winning the lucrative bid previously in competition with the flailing Hammer Industries. Stark befriends James Rhodes, who he reveals the secret of Iron Man to, and Rhodes becomes a partner of Starks. Stark decides to continue building on the armour in question, coming up with the smokescreen of establishing the identity of Iron Man as the anonymous corporate mascot of Stark International. All the while, Stark conceals the truth of his heart condition from the public eye, working on keeping himself stable in secret.

Justin Hammer, CEO of Hammer Industries, is an ageing Industrialist, whose former greatness has since been overshadowed by the young, go-getter Tony Stark. Having lost the lucrative bid against Stark Industries, Hammer uses old contacts with the Soviets established during his days in the Cold War, to carry out an assassination attempt on Stark. Initially, he hires a group of mercenaries to murder Stark, however the Iron Man persona proves a far superior match for the open-fire antics of the mercs, and Stark makes quick work of them. Realising that an undercover approach is needed, Hammer hires the Black Widow, and has her infiltrate a ballet show that Stark and the rest of high-living socialites in his circle are to attend. As Stark watches the show, the Widow dances as one of the ballerinas, and only when Stark and the rest of the attending audience go to leave after the show, does she attempt to strike at her target. The Widow goes to the top of the outside theatre, and aims at Stark with her sniper rifle. As Stark makes his way through the adoring crowd to his limo, the Widow struggles to get a clear aim of her target as the crowds of people trying to get close to Stark block him from her view. Back at Starks penthouse, the Widow infiltrates the grounds and happens across Starks laboratory, sporting the blueprints for the armour that Starks ‘bodyguard’ wears. The Widow, realising her opportunity, captures photo’s of the plans with her micro-camera and begins her retreat. However, as the Widow attempts to make her escape, she is spotted by Stark who takes up the chase as Iron Man. The Widow, who makes her escape by motorcycle, is pursued by the air-borne Iron Man, eventually however she escapes, and Stark retreats.

The Widow reconvenes with Hammer, who is initially angry that the assassin he hired was unable to carry out her job properly, that is until the Widow presents Hammer with the information she picked up on the schematics of the Iron Man suit. Hammer has the idea of calibrating a device to take advantage of the suits abilities, and also to design a suit for use himself.

Hammer constructs a device enabling him to take control of Starks suit of armour, and in doing so; he has the suit murder a diplomat, framing Stark Internationals ‘mascot’. The authorities impound Starks armour and Stark International is brought under direct investigation, although the public find it hard to believe that the philanthropist and charming playboy can be responsible for such an act. Meanwhile, Hammer begins constructing armour himself, based on the schematics that were stolen from Stark, and fashions a hefty suit of super-powered armour capable of amazing feats, which Hammer plans to sell to the military in the wake of Starks public shaming. However, Stark clears his name and brings Hammer under direct suspicion. Hammer, seeing nothing to lose in Starks recent rise back to glory, contacts another Cold-War associate, fitting him with the prototype suit he has created, he sends him on a kamikaze mission to murder Stark. Now it’s Iron Man vs. The Crimson Dynamo! The two fight it out in aerial battles, ground combat, causing catastrophic damage in their wake. Finally though, Iron Man overcomes the Crimson Dynamo. Hammer is arrested and Hammer Industries falls apart. Stark International is all that remains, but as Stark surveys the damage, he learns of the danger weapons can have, and the responsibility that comes with technology.

The final scene, Stark is standing in his penthouse suite, pouring himself a glass of scotch in his dressing gown, he seems depressed, his worn features show an unshaven, tired Stark. He turns from pouring the glass to regard the TV in his office. A news report, SHIELD and the US military are finally putting to use the Stark Internationals transistor magnets in battle, not only that, but recent intervention has caused severe casualties in both US and foreign powers. Stark feels that he’s invention will inevitably live alongside conflict and death. He goes to put the glass to his mouth, when another story breaks in. Hostiles have overtaken the City National Bank, and are threatening to execute hostages if a helicopter isn’t provided for their getaway. Stark looks to the contents of the glass, the scotch, he considers, looks up again at the TV, he makes his choice. Placing the glass down, Stark takes of the dressing gown and makes his way through into his secret lab; he changes into the suit of armour, and the last we see is Iron Man taking of from the Penthouse.

Notes: Starks drinking would be firmly set within the background of the movie, and while prevalent from a viewing standpoint, not a central plot thread. Starks drinking and alcoholism will play a major role in a later movie, but for now its only noticeable on the surface. When people are watching this first (“hypothetical”) movie, I want them to pick up on things once and awhile and say to themselves, ‘Y’know, this guy tends to be drinking a lot for a guy with a weak heart.’

 

[Herr Logan]

Lastly, in addition to his splendid ideas on the BoP revamp, Zev made some allusions to Voltaire. Might I suggest some supplementary reading? Perhaps, Nietzsche and Foucault.

My, how we've changed here on Walton's Mountain.

Just wanted to clarify that I'm not entirely ignorant of famous philosophers. My education on that score is just limited mainly to Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill (utilitarianism) and Emmanuel Kant (catagorical imperative), and even in those areas I'm not a full-blown scholar.

That may have something to do with the fact that utilitarianism won me over almost right away and didn't thirst for philosophy while I had other college requirements to fill. Anyway, I meant what I said; I might be studying that stuff next (full) semester.

 

[Herr Logan]

Zaphods IRON-MAN Movie Concept: ROUGH DRAFT #1

I really like this, a lot. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Iron Man to have a lot of comments on this, with regard to faithfulness or suggestions. Well, maybe I have a few.

First, let's clear this up; were you the one who originally came up with that ending for Hunter Rider's concept, or was he? Either way, I know I've seen that ending proposed before. It's a pretty good ending.

Okay, on James Rhodes:
I don't think he should be made an equal or even comparable partner of Stark's in the company. In the comics, he was originally Stark's personal pilot, and then I think he was a head of security there (that second one might just have been from cartoons). It just doesn't make sense for him to be a partner in a corporation such as Stark Enterprises or Stark International. If done well, having Stark confide in Rhodes about Iron Man could be fine, though it may be best saved for a sequel. Either way could work.

On that magnet-transistor thingy:
That technology is going to figure into the Iron Man suit's offensive and/or defensive capabilities, right? Personally, I would give Iron Man both a magnetic tractor beam and repelling field in the very first movie. Crimson Dynamo would have to be strong enough to resist its effects, of course, but those features could help win the fight if Stark is cagey enough during the battle. The major reason I suggest this isn't for the battle strategy, though; it's because if you're going to have him invent and test a super-magnetic device, you may as well incorporate that into an armored suit that is supposed to have magnetic capabilities. He'll have to fix/perfect it first, of course.

On the Black Widow:
I think it would be a big missed opportunity if the Black Widow didn't attempt to seduce Tony Stark before killing him. I know it's a cliche, but that's who the Widow is; that's how she gets things done, or at least how she attempts to, the first time around.

On the powered armor:
These are some images of what prototypes of powered exoskeletons in the real world look like:

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_armor

I'm thinking that the very first Iron Man suit in particular should have bulkier versions of these structures supporting protective armor on the outside. The more refined Iron Man suit could have either more streamlined (but even more effective) structures such as these or it could look like the Iron Man of the comics, where mini-servo motors (or whatever) inside the suit somehow enhance Stark's strength.
Point is, powered armor is not merely science fiction. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency has been working on this for decades, and I think private organizations have made some progress with this, primarily with regard to aiding the elderly and infirm, rather than combat suits.


Very good stuff, Zaphod.

(but not too soon!, and Herr, in other news, prepare for a Bat-post very soon

Don't you tease me now!

 

[Zaphod]

I really like this, a lot. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Iron Man to have a lot of comments on this, with regard to faithfulness or suggestions. Well, maybe I have a few.

Thank you.

First, let's clear this up; were you the one who originally came up with that ending for Hunter Rider's concept, or was he? Either way, I know I've seen that ending proposed before. It's a pretty good ending.

Hunter Rider did first, it influenced me, and I decided to borrow the concept to end Starks final on-screen battle with. However, the major difference is that it wont be a big thing in my movie, in Hunter's I got the impression that the end moments where Stark grimly 'tours the riot scene' (as a once famous bird-man said) were to be especially highlighted in driving home the theme on the destructive capabilites of technology, I'd rather not thrive on this end scene in my concept, although it is a good idea, in my case it would just be glimpsed at. Perhaps we see Iron-Man falter down to one knee at the end of the battle in fatigue, then we slowly pan away from him to reveal the surrounding area littered in devastation. Thoughts?

Overall, this theme will be prevalent throughout the whole of the movie, but in other ways, and even more so in the sequel, although developed somewhat.

Okay, on James Rhodes:
I don't think he should be made an equal or even comparable partner of Stark's in the company. In the comics, he was originally Stark's personal pilot, and then I think he was a head of security there (that second one might just have been from cartoons). It just doesn't make sense for him to be a partner in a corporation such as Stark Enterprises or Stark International. If done well, having Stark confide in Rhodes about Iron Man could be fine, though it may be best saved for a sequel. Either way could work.

He wont be, and wasn't going to be might I add. Although he is important, to both the movie and Stark. Rhodes will be desginated Starks personal pilot by the man himself, but he will come in useful during battle. I decided that Stark will reveal to Rhodes his Iron-Man identity after they arrive back in America, and that beside from Rhodes being somewhat of an arieal-chaffeur for Tony, aswell as a close friend and confidante, he wont have a say in Starks business, not from any technical standpoint, since the guys a soildier, not a techhead like Tony. I was toying with the idea of including at least one scene where Rhodes transports Iron-Man to a drop of zone for battle, by helicopter. Although there would have to be a legite reason why Stark couldn't just fly there, the scene would make sense if Hammer still had the hypersonic-scan transmitter and Stark was utilizing some stealth armour instead.

On that magnet-transistor thingy:
That technology is going to figure into the Iron Man suit's offensive and/or defensive capabilities, right? Personally, I would give Iron Man both a magnetic tractor beam and repelling field in the very first movie. Crimson Dynamo would have to be strong enough to resist its effects, of course, but those features could help win the fight if Stark is cagey enough during the battle. The major reason I suggest this isn't for the battle strategy, though; it's because if you're going to have him invent and test a super-magnetic device, you may as well incorporate that into an armored suit that is supposed to have magnetic capabilities. He'll have to fix/perfect it first, of course.

Yes it was. When Stark escapes the prision-base in his silver-armour, he would have this ability as a weapon. Aside from your suggested tractor beam and repelling field, he'd also use it to lift and hurl metallic objects, such as cars, at the enemy. Likewise, if anything is thrown at him, like a grenade, or if he is fired upon by bullets, Stark would be able to activate a repelling field on the armour to shield himself in a defensive-cocoon of invisible energy,

On the Black Widow:
I think it would be a big missed opportunity if the Black Widow didn't attempt to seduce Tony Stark before killing him. I know it's a cliche, but that's who the Widow is; that's how she gets things done, or at least how she attempts to, the first time around.

Nice idea. Perhaps this could happen with Widow disguised and mingling amongst some of Stark's guests at one of his expensive partys, or charity balls?

Very good stuff, Zaphod. [.quote]

Again, much thanks. A more refined draft will be on it's sooner rather than later, beleive that or not.

Don't you tease me now!

To wet your appetite I'll say this: Bat nipples!! Bat-nipples everywhere!!

 

[Herr Logan]

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Hunter Rider did first, it influenced me, and I decided to borrow the concept to end Starks final on-screen battle with. However, the major difference is that it wont be a big thing in my movie, in Hunter's I got the impression that the end moments where Stark grimly 'tours the riot scene' (as a once famous bird-man said) were to be especially highlighted in driving home the theme on the destructive capabilites of technology, I'd rather not thrive on this end scene in my concept, although it is a good idea, in my case it would just be glimpsed at. Perhaps we see Iron-Man falter down to one knee at the end of the battle in fatigue, then we slowly pan away from him to reveal the surrounding area littered in devastation. Thoughts?

Overall, this theme will be prevalent throughout the whole of the movie, but in other ways, and even more so in the sequel, although developed somewhat.

When would he fall to his knee exactly? At the very end or somewhere earlier in the course of the movie. I don't think it should be the former.

I would think a fitting theme for the franchise would be that technology can be both extremely beneficial to mankind, but also extremely devastating. It's sort of like superpowers in that way, and fits in with the idea that, "With great power comes great responsibility."

He wont be, and wasn't going to be might I add. Although he is important, to both the movie and Stark. Rhodes will be desginated Starks personal pilot by the man himself, but he will come in useful during battle. I decided that Stark will reveal to Rhodes his Iron-Man identity after they arrive back in America, and that beside from Rhodes being somewhat of an arieal-chaffeur for Tony, aswell as a close friend and confidante, he wont have a say in Starks business, not from any technical standpoint, since the guys a soildier, not a techhead like Tony. I was toying with the idea of including at least one scene where Rhodes transports Iron-Man to a drop of zone for battle, by helicopter. Although there would have to be a legite reason why Stark couldn't just fly there, the scene would make sense if Hammer still had the hypersonic-scan transmitter and Stark was utilizing some stealth armour instead.

Okay, I was confused because you said this earlier:

Stark befriends James Rhodes, who he reveals the secret of Iron Man to, and Rhodes becomes a partner of Starks.

You could easily have the second active version of the Iron Man armor (as in, the first one he creates after returning from the Middle East) simply unable to fly. It would be acceptable to have the various powers Iron Man had in the comics to accumulate throughout the movie. I'm not saying you should leave everything to the last minute, just that you can show a fully functioning set of battle armor (with reasonable maneuverability, the push/pull magnetic abilities and energy projectile weapons) without flight capability, and then show the next upgrade to have rockets.

If I were doing the Iron Man movie, I'd have his flight ability come from a jet-pack strapped to his back, not his boots, at least when he first is able to fly.
I'd evolve the flight ability into a combination of an anti-grav/hovering device that leaves him mostly free to move however he wants in the air, and miniature jets placed in various places on the suit that aim and propel him.

Yes it was. When Stark escapes the prision-base in his silver-armour, he would have this ability as a weapon. Aside from your suggested tractor beam and repelling field, he'd also use it to lift and hurl metallic objects, such as cars, at the enemy. Likewise, if anything is thrown at him, like a grenade, or if he is fired upon by bullets, Stark would be able to activate a repelling field on the armour to shield himself in a defensive-cocoon of invisible energy,

Right, the lifting would be done by the tractor beam and the throwing would be the repulsion ability. Making a repulsion field would keep grenades from getting too close and would likely at least slow down shrapnel flying at him.

Nice idea. Perhaps this could happen with Widow disguised and mingling amongst some of Stark's guests at one of his expensive partys, or charity balls?

Exactly.

Again, much thanks. A more refined draft will be on it's sooner rather than later, beleive that or not.

Excellent.

To wet your appetite I'll say this: Bat nipples!! Bat-nipples everywhere!!

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If you've made me wait for all these weeks and I see Bat-nipples... I can't even describe the carnage that will ensue...

 

[Zaphod]

When would he fall to his knee exactly? At the very end or somewhere earlier in the course of the movie. I don't think it should be the former.

I'm thinking it should take place in the aftermath of the very last battle that Iron-Man has against the Crimson Dynamo. This final fight would be the most epic and destructive of the movie, causing chaos in it's wake as the two slug it out in air, on ground, accorss buildings, you name it. I haven't actually decided on where the battle should take place yet. Basically, after Stark finishes of the Dynamo, he would be close to collapse himself, and as he falls to the ground, we survey the destruction all around him. Ths wouldn't be the final scene, as I say, I want to show Stark choosing to adopt the Iron-Man persona for public wellbeing and not just for that of his company in the final moments of the movie. To repeat, the closing scene would play out like this:

Stark is standing in his penthouse suite, pouring himself a glass of scotch in his dressing gown, he seems depressed, his worn features show an unshaven, tired Stark. He turns from pouring the glass to regard the TV in his office. A news report, SHIELD and the US military are finally putting to use the Stark Internationals transistor magnets in battle, not only that, but recent intervention has caused severe casualties in both US and foreign powers. Stark feels that he’s invention will inevitably live alongside conflict and death. He goes to put the glass to his mouth, when another story breaks in. Hostiles have overtaken the City National Bank, and are threatening to execute hostages if a helicopter isn’t provided for their getaway. Stark looks to the contents of the glass, the scotch, he considers, looks up again at the TV, he makes his choice. Placing the glass down, Stark takes of the dressing gown and makes his way through into his secret lab; he changes into the suit of armour, and the last we see is Iron Man taking of from the Penthouse.

I would think a fitting theme for the franchise would be that technology can be both extremely beneficial to mankind, but also extremely devastating. It's sort of like superpowers in that way, and fits in with the idea that, "With great power comes great responsibility."

This would be one of the main themes of the movie, yes.

You could easily have the second active version of the Iron Man armor (as in, the first one he creates after returning from the Middle East) simply unable to fly. It would be acceptable to have the various powers Iron Man had in the comics to accumulate throughout the movie. I'm not saying you should leave everything to the last minute, just that you can show a fully functioning set of battle armor (with reasonable maneuverability, the push/pull magnetic abilities and energy projectile weapons) without flight capability, and then show the next upgrade to have rockets.

Interesting idea. Thinking about it, it might be good to save the first-showing of Iron-Man's flying ability for when Stark pursues the Widow in the chase.

If I were doing the Iron Man movie, I'd have his flight ability come from a jet-pack strapped to his back, not his boots, at least when he first is able to fly.
I'd evolve the flight ability into a combination of an anti-grav/hovering device that leaves him mostly free to move however he wants in the air, and miniature jets placed in various places on the suit that aim and propel him.

This sounds good. As long as the jet-pack functioned as far beyond anything that already existed in that field, I think thats a great idea. The jet-pack should embedded into the suit of course. I think you meant this anyway, but I wasn't sure, I wouldn't want the jet-pack as just seperate and tacked onto the armour.

Right, the lifting would be done by the tractor beam and the throwing would be the repulsion ability. Making a repulsion field would keep grenades from getting too close and would likely at least slow down shrapnel flying at him.

Exactly

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If you've made me wait for all these weeks and I see Bat-nipples... I can't even describe the carnage that will ensue...

Ah! Couldn't you have told me that earlier before I went ahead and included Batmite in the show?

 

[Herr Logan]

I'm thinking it should take place in the aftermath of the very last battle that Iron-Man has against the Crimson Dynamo. This final fight would be the most epic and destructive of the movie, causing chaos in it's wake as the two slug it out in air, on ground, accorss buildings, you name it. I haven't actually decided on where the battle should take place yet. Basically, after Stark finishes of the Dynamo, he would be close to collapse himself, and as he falls to the ground, we survey the destruction all around him. Ths wouldn't be the final scene, as I say, I want to show Stark choosing to adopt the Iron-Man persona for public wellbeing and not just for that of his company in the final moments of the movie. To repeat, the closing scene would play out like this:

Okay, just checking. That was a stupid question, actually.

This would be one of the main themes of the movie, yes.

Splendid!

Interesting idea. Thinking about it, it might be good to save the first-showing of Iron-Man's flying ability for when Stark pursues the Widow in the chase.

Sounds good.

This sounds good. As long as the jet-pack functioned as far beyond anything that already existed in that field, I think thats a great idea. The jet-pack should embedded into the suit of course. I think you meant this anyway, but I wasn't sure, I wouldn't want the jet-pack as just seperate and tacked onto the armour.

I meant to replace "strapped to his back" with something more accurate. What I meant to say was that it would be a separate piece of equipment that attaches securely to the back of the armored suit with both mechanical locks and magnetism. While it can be attached in combat, it may be released/jettisoned abruptly if the situation requires it (it's fairly heavy and makes it just slightly more difficult to move around and keep balance). I don't know if that's what you meant by "tacked on," but the way I'm envisioning it, it's not flimsy or prone to accidental detachment.

The next stage of flight capability as I mentioned before would have several sets of thrusters around the suit that distibute the extra weight more evenly.

Ah! Couldn't you have told me that earlier before I went ahead and included Batmite in the show?

You think you're pretty funny, dontcha?



Good stuff, man. Keep up the good work.

 

[Zaphod]

I meant to replace "strapped to his back" with something more accurate. What I meant to say was that it would be a separate piece of equipment that attaches securely to the back of the armored suit with both mechanical locks and magnetism. While it can be attached in combat, it may be released/jettisoned abruptly if the situation requires it (it's fairly heavy and makes it just slightly more difficult to move around and keep balance). I don't know if that's what you meant by "tacked on," but the way I'm envisioning it, it's not flimsy or prone to accidental detachment.

The next stage of flight capability as I mentioned before would have several sets of thrusters around the suit that distibute the extra weight more evenly.

Ah, I see, ok. You see, originally when I read your idea on this, I was only in favour of a jet-pack addition to start out with on the armour, as long as it was a part of the suit itself, making it clunkeir and larger in design aswell as function. What your suggesting is a seperate peice which can be equiped and discarded when needed, but the idea of it being mechanically and magenticaly attached works better for me. In fact, I like the idea greatly. An idea has come to me in fact:

The first time we see the armour it would have the ability to boost the wearer vast distances in a jump, this would be with Stark wearing the silver-armour in the Middle-East. The second time we would see it in battle, which would be the third time overall, Stark would battle the armoured Mercs that Hammer sends with the jet-pack. There should be a scene where Stark has to eject the jet-pack during the fight, demonstrating it's somewhat ineffectiveness in battle (although it wouldn't be completely useless, and would come in handy beforehand in the battle). The next time we see Stark fly in the armour, he'll be pursuing the Widow, but this time with a set of thrusters as we mentioned earlier. Making for a fantastic chase scene between the two.

Good stuff, man. Keep up the good work.

Will do. Keep any ideas you might have coming aswell.

 

[Herr Logan]

Ah, I see, ok. You see, originally when I read your idea on this, I was only in favour of a jet-pack addition to start out with on the armour, as long as it was a part of the suit itself, making it clunkeir and larger in design aswell as function. What your suggesting is a seperate peice which can be equiped and discarded when needed, but the idea of it being mechanically and magenticaly attached works better for me. In fact, I like the idea greatly. An idea has come to me in fact:

The first time we see the armour it would have the ability to boost the wearer vast distances in a jump, this would be with Stark wearing the silver-armour in the Middle-East. The second time we would see it in battle, which would be the third time overall, Stark would battle the armoured Mercs that Hammer sends with the jet-pack. There should be a scene where Stark has to eject the jet-pack during the fight, demonstrating it's somewhat ineffectiveness in battle (although it wouldn't be completely useless, and would come in handy beforehand in the battle). The next time we see Stark fly in the armour, he'll be pursuing the Widow, but this time with a set of thrusters as we mentioned earlier. Making for a fantastic chase scene between the two.


Will do. Keep any ideas you might have coming aswell.

When you say "boost the wearer vast distances in a jump," do you mean as in the way the Hulk jumps, as opposed to a singular burst of propulsion from a jetpack? That might work just fine, since the suit is meant to enhance what humans can already do (long jump in this case) in addition to other abilities.

My concept was actually-- and I neglected to make this at all clear earlier-- that the jetpack would lift the user in a standing position, not a position parallel to the ground. It allows the wearer to jump in arch trajectories if they lean forward, or straight up, or anything in between.

Think back to the movie 'Spider-Man,' where the company Quest Aerospace, OsCorp's main competitor, had developed a flying exoskeleton that lifted straight up with the wearer in a standing position. We don't know the full capabilities of that contraption (I presume it was armed), since Movie!Goblin destroyed it about five seconds after it lifted off of the ground, but that's the kind of motion the jet pack I'm describing would produce, except much faster. Perhaps it should be referred to as a "jump pack," as it's more evokative of what the device actually does.

I don't know if you've ever played the James Bond video game 'Agent Under Fire,' but the jet pack featured in it produced a singular boost, powered by compressed air, that shot 007 up into the air. By moving forward with the controller, you could travel a short distance laterally to reach a platform in front you.
There's some other computer game-- the name of which I can't remember, but I had a demo version of once-- where the rocket pack produced the effect I described earlier and called the function "jump," and it allowed the player to travel laterally for short intervals at a time (it needed to recharge) in an upright position. That's the kind of thing I'm imagining for Iron Man's intermediate level flight capability.

This is to show a progression of Iron Man's flight capabilities. Personally, I'd be okay with staying with the upright flying position, but I would never insist that it stay that way throughout the whole series or even just the first movie.

The jump pack is designed to fit the contours of the back of the armor suit, but it locks the torso section of the suit so that it can't bend or maneuver very much at all. That's why it needs to be detachable, because Iron Man may need some flexibility if he has to set down on solid ground and fight with some super-type.

What do you think?

 

[The Question]

My god. I was just in the Marvel movie forum discussing X3. I have comne to the conclusion that comic book geeks are the *****iest *****es since *****es came to ***** town. A movie's either the best movie ever or they blow every flaw completely out of preportion.

 

[Herr Logan]

My god. I was just in the Marvel movie forum discussing X3. I have comne to the conclusion that comic book geeks are the *****iest *****es since *****es came to ***** town. A movie's either the best movie ever or they blow every flaw completely out of preportion.

I'm confused. Is that a criticism of this thread or anyone herein?

 

[The Question]

Oh, not at all. I was just kind of hoping that I would be able to speak of my problems with the fans aswell as the movies. I am sorry if I was mistaken.

 

[Herr Logan]

Oh, not at all. I was just kind of hoping that I would be able to speak of my problems with the fans aswell as the movies. I am sorry if I was mistaken.

Oh, okay.

Well, this thread isn't really for that in particular. I can be accommodating enough to allow for complaints against the posters who give these movies too much praise, but not for the fans who criticize them. The "Safe Haven" aspect is meant for the critics, for the most part.

This thread is primarily for suggesting alternative material for superhero adaptations that is faithful to the source material, but not anything directly related to Batman, X-Men, Spider-Man, Superman and Fantastic Four (just because they have their own threads). Each of those links goes to the corresponding spin-off thread. All other franchises or potential franchises are to be discussed in this thread (the "miscellaneous" one).

We'd be glad to hear any ideas from you on how superhero movies (real or hypothetical) could be more faithful to the comics.

 

[The Question]

Ah. I see. Sorry. Personally, I think too much praise and too much criticism are both bad things. Sometimes, fans can take both to the extreme. I will share some movie ideas later, I suppose.

 

[Herr Logan]

Ah. I see. Sorry. Personally, I think too much praise and too much criticism are both bad things.

This is true. Unfortunately, "too much" is almost always subjective when it comes to critiquing movies.

Sometimes, fans can take both to the extreme. I will share some movie ideas later, I suppose.

Cool. I look forward to it.

 

[Zaphod]

When you say "boost the wearer vast distances in a jump," do you mean as in the way the Hulk jumps, as opposed to a singular burst of propulsion from a jetpack? That might work just fine, since the suit is meant to enhance what humans can already do (long jump in this case) in addition to other abilities.

Exactly. I made that exact same comparison further back in the thread. Naturally, I would limit the distance somewhat, since in 'Hulk' he was jumping enormous distances through the desert, wheres Stark would be dealing in an urban enviroment, which is much different. I'd also have plenty of combat, as I said before.

My concept was actually-- and I neglected to make this at all clear earlier-- that the jetpack would lift the user in a standing position, not a position parallel to the ground. It allows the wearer to jump in arch trajectories if they lean forward, or straight up, or anything in between.

Yes, I assumed as much beforehand. Personally, I always think it looks better to show Stark flying about in the Iron-Man armour in a standing position, and not in a 'Superman-esque' pose. Naturally of course he'll be doing that to, although I think its a good idea to show the jet-pack as functioning in a 'standing' pose before anything to fancy. This is good, because we could show Iron-Man having his work cut out for him when Hammer sends his first wave of mercs, since he wont be able to engage in true arieal combat like he will later(which lets face it, would put Stark at an immense advantage over his attackers), and would only use the 'jet-pack' in a limited way.

Here's something I thought about earlier, concerning the tractor beam:

When Stark is escaping the base in the Gulf, in the beggining of the movie, do you think it would be a worthwhile alteration to involve Stark directly in James Rhodes survival in the crash from his downed helicopter? I was thinking of a scenario involving Rhodes helicopter being hit (not directly) by a rocket, fired from an Insurgent with a rocket-launcher. Rhodes trys to pilot the helicopter as safely as he can under the damage he's sustained in order to survive a landing, but is rescued in his efforts by Iron-Man, who uses his tractor-beam to gently bring down the damaged helicopter safely to ground. Aside from tying things neatly together in the origin, I dont know how this is a particular improvement over the original way things happened -- it just came to me as an idea which I quite liked at the time and shows early signs of Stark helping people with his armour as opposed to just using it out of neccesity and escape.

It might be better to stick with the original idea, of Rhodes piloting the helicopter to safety himself, since it shows his pilot skills and makes sense later when Stark chooses to hire him as he's personal pilot -- since he's reliable and skilled in an emergency.

What do you think?

 

[Herr Logan]

Exactly. I made that exact same comparison further back in the thread. Naturally, I would limit the distance somewhat, since in 'Hulk' he was jumping enormous distances through the desert, wheres Stark would be dealing in an urban enviroment, which is much different. I'd also have plenty of combat, as I said before.

Plenty of combat in the scenes taking place in the Persian Gulf, or overall?

Yes, I assumed as much beforehand. Personally, I always think it looks better to show Stark flying about in the Iron-Man armour in a standing position, and not in a 'Superman-esque' pose. Naturally of course he'll be doing that to, although I think its a good idea to show the jet-pack as functioning in a 'standing' pose before anything to fancy. This is good, because we could show Iron-Man having his work cut out for him when Hammer sends his first wave of mercs, since he wont be able to engage in true arieal combat like he will later(which lets face it, would put Stark at an immense advantage over his attackers), and would only use the 'jet-pack' in a limited way.

Exactly.

Here's something I thought about earlier, concerning the tractor beam:

When Stark is escaping the base in the Gulf, in the beggining of the movie, do you think it would be a worthwhile alteration to involve Stark directly in James Rhodes survival in the crash from his downed helicopter? I was thinking of a scenario involving Rhodes helicopter being hit (not directly) by a rocket, fired from an Insurgent with a rocket-launcher. Rhodes trys to pilot the helicopter as safely as he can under the damage he's sustained in order to survive a landing, but is rescued in his efforts by Iron-Man, who uses his tractor-beam to gently bring down the damaged helicopter safely to ground. Aside from tying things neatly together in the origin, I dont know how this is a particular improvement over the original way things happened -- it just came to me as an idea which I quite liked at the time and shows early signs of Stark helping people with his armour as opposed to just using it out of neccesity and escape.

It might be better to stick with the original idea, of Rhodes piloting the helicopter to safety himself, since it shows his pilot skills and makes sense later when Stark chooses to hire him as he's personal pilot -- since he's reliable and skilled in an emergency.

What do you think?

Perhaps Rhodes could land it on his own, but after he lands, an enemy throws either throws a grenade or launches a rocket at the helicopter and Iron Man, using his repulsor beams, shunts the grenade away or knocks the rocket off course at the last second. That way, Rhodes would still be shown as a top-tier helicopter pilot and Iron Man would still be saving his life.

 

[Zaphod]

Plenty of combat in the scenes taking place in the Persian Gulf, or overall?

Well, both. In the Middle-East, Stark would be seen relying more on his resourcefulness. Aside from the 'jet-boost', Stark would use the abilities of his repulsor beams to direct away gunfire, or to make use of parts fo the enviroment as a shield. For the latter, I imagined a scenario similar to what we saw Magneto do in X3, when he prevented a shower of 'cure-darts' from penetrating the Brotherhood defenses by lifting up debris in front of him to fend of the strike. I'd want to show Stark make use of a similar tactic in the Gulf, perhaps by helping out a group of Marines under-heavy fire by creating a sheild through lifting up a nearby wrecked-car using his beams, and moving along with it, providing cover for the troops to escape. The 'buzz-saw' would be used an offensive weapon, at least not in killing an enemy or anything like that. I think we could do without protraying Stark as butcher no matter what situation he may be in. The first priority at this stage is defense through resourcefulness.

When Stark is out of the Gulf and in his new, nifty hi-tech threads, than combat will be somewhat different, since Stark will take more of the offensive in engaging the enemy. Not only this, but besides the repulsor-beams and tractor-beam (which he would still use in conjunction with his new armour) he will have his wrist canons capable of firing energy blasts.

Perhaps Rhodes could land it on his own, but after he lands, an enemy throws either throws a grenade or launches a rocket at the helicopter and Iron Man, using his repulsor beams, shunts the grenade away or knocks the rocket off course at the last second. That way, Rhodes would still be shown as a top-tier helicopter pilot and Iron Man would still be saving his life.

Sounds good. I like this idea. Another possibility, is that Rhodes's helicopter takes one shot from a rocket (which would skim the tail-end of the vehicle, with Rhodes having already taken a diversionary measure, but naturally still causing great damage) and would be attempting to land the thing safely, eventually doing so, but as he does, Iron-Man uses his repulsor beams to prevent continued gunfire and grenades from finishing the job on Rhodes in mid-flight? What do you think?

There is something I would like to make clear for this first movie:

In the original Iron-Man storys, Stark mostly only used the armour and his identity as Iron-Man to defend and counter-attack's made to his company, Stark Industries/International. Later on, as the comic took of, he became a more generalised superhero who defended civil-rights and the public from countless threats, but for the sake of the first movie, I will be sticking to the former-route. Aside from escaping the Middle-East, Stark will be taking on rivial Industrialist Justin Hammer, his mercs, the Black Widow, a public framing, and finally, the Crimson Dynamo for this first movie. The final scene of this movie would show Stark deciding to use his Iron-Man persona for public good, not just as a mascot and for the sake of defending his business interests.

 

[Herr Logan]

Well, both. In the Middle-East, Stark would be seen relying more on his resourcefulness. Aside from the 'jet-boost', Stark would use the abilities of his repulsor beams to direct away gunfire, or to make use of parts fo the enviroment as a shield. For the latter, I imagined a scenario similar to what we saw Magneto do in X3, when he prevented a shower of 'cure-darts' from penetrating the Brotherhood defenses by lifting up debris in front of him to fend of the strike. I'd want to show Stark make use of a similar tactic in the Gulf, perhaps by helping out a group of Marines under-heavy fire by creating a sheild through lifting up a nearby wrecked-car using his beams, and moving along with it, providing cover for the troops to escape. The 'buzz-saw' would be used an offensive weapon, at least not in killing an enemy or anything like that. I think we could do without protraying Stark as butcher no matter what situation he may be in. The first priority at this stage is defense through resourcefulness.

When Stark is out of the Gulf and in his new, nifty hi-tech threads, than combat will be somewhat different, since Stark will take more of the offensive in engaging the enemy. Not only this, but besides the repulsor-beams and tractor-beam (which he would still use in conjunction with his new armour) he will have his wrist canons capable of firing energy blasts.

All of that sounds good.

Sounds good. I like this idea. Another possibility, is that Rhodes's helicopter takes one shot from a rocket (which would skim the tail-end of the vehicle, with Rhodes having already taken a diversionary measure, but naturally still causing great damage) and would be attempting to land the thing safely, eventually doing so, but as he does, Iron-Man uses his repulsor beams to prevent continued gunfire and grenades from finishing the job on Rhodes in mid-flight? What do you think?

I like it.

There is something I would like to make clear for this first movie:

In the original Iron-Man storys, Stark mostly only used the armour and his identity as Iron-Man to defend and counter-attack's made to his company, Stark Industries/International. Later on, as the comic took of, he became a more generalised superhero who defended civil-rights and the public from countless threats, but for the sake of the first movie, I will be sticking to the former-route. Aside from escaping the Middle-East, Stark will be taking on rivial Industrialist Justin Hammer, his mercs, the Black Widow, a public framing, and finally, the Crimson Dynamo for this first movie. The final scene of this movie would show Stark deciding to use his Iron-Man persona for public good, not just as a mascot and for the sake of defending his business interests

.

I didn't know he only looked after his own in the beginning. I'm guessing this was before he formed the Avengers, but I guess it could have been comtemporarily, since he starred in two titles at that point.

Yeah, if that's how it was in the comics, I think it's fine to keep it that way for the majority of the first movie (after he's back home in the States). That adds even more weight to the final scene, where he becomes a real superhero. Cool stuff.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ive been a lazy bastard of late,spamming community with my rapier wit and hanging with the crazy gang but did i perchance read mention of Iron Man using a jetpack ?

 

[The Question]

Well, here goes. My plan for an Avengers movie franchise:


This plan would, in fact, begin with the individual films for four of the characters. They would be:


Captain America: Set in WWII, the film would depict a young Steve Rodgers becoming America's first superhuman soldier, Captain America. Bucky would be introduced as Steve's slightly younger friend who serves as his feild handler once he finds out that Steve is Captains America. The plot would involve Cap's early exploits, and him facing off against Germany's top assasin, The Red Skull.

Visually and stylistically, I would want to capture the look and feel of an old pulp fiction novel. While it shouldn't have the large amounts of CGI, it should look like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. Cap's costume should really look like his WWII costume from The Ultimates. Possibly changing the mask slightly by ditching the helmet and making the leather mask blue with an A on it. However, Cap's classic costume would not go unseen. For PR purposes, he would wear it at major events. He would apear on recruitment posters, and there would be one scene during a USO show where he's wearing it. However, on official missions, he would wear the more practical Ultimated WWII look.

The Red Skull, similarly, would be changed in terms of apearance to suit both practicality and the style of the film. His mask would be a red metal helmet with a skull design over the face. His weapon of choice would be a Gladius, a short sword origionally from Rome designed for close quarters combat and quick, spine severing kills. However, while he would be an acomplished hand to hand combatant, he would not pose a physical threat to Cap. Cap, being superhuman, would thus be superior to the Skull in close quarters combat. This serves as a point of anger to the Skull, who is an egotist with a superiority complex. He refuses to be anyone's inferior. So, he is much more Cap's intelectual challenge.

Bucky would be about sixteen or seventeen. He's Steve's fellow soldier and best friend. Not a sidekick, really. More like a drinking buddy who, by chance, ends up being the guy who keep's track of Cap in the feild. He would not have a costume, although there would be a scene with him wearing a blue shirt and red work gloves similar to his costume.

Casting wise, I would want Cap to be in his early 20s, Bucky to be in his late teens, and The Red Skull somewhere in his 30s.

Thor: The story would begin with Donald Blake, a physician in Norway, discovering that he is in fact the Asgardian warrior prince known as Thor in human form after an old wooden cane comes into his possesion. When he touches the cane, he is flooded with memories and information of his true identity. However, before he can do anything about it, his ravings about godhood land him a nice cozy cell in an insane asylum. Several months later, while wandering the halls, he is able to steal the cane from the patient prperty locker where it is being kept. Before the security gaurds can stop him, he strikes the cane against the ground. The cane transforms into a nortic war hammer, and Blake buts on about 20 pounds of muscle, grows long blond hair and a beard, and his clothes are replaced by what resempled a mix of modern clothing and Viking armor. He escapes from the asylum, and becomes Norway's self proclaimed savior. He would use his abilities to preform acts of heroism, while using the humility he learned as a human and the inherent wisdom of Asgard to help lead humanity away from their aparnt path of destruction.

However, through the film, we soon meet Loki, who has been living on Earth for centuries with his children. He hunts down Thor and tries to kill him as part of their centuries old rivalry which has, on Loki's part, turned into a very warped obsession. After Thor is dead, Loki's plan is to create chaos on Earth in his own name and draw power from it.

As you can see, this version of Thor is a mix of 161 and Ultimate. This is mainly because I don't think all the elements of either as they were would work in a film. Thor's personality would remain mostly unchanged, and would speak in a manner more in tune with 616 than Ultimate. Thor's apearence through the film would be much akin to his Ultimate look. Loki and his children, for the most part, would apear in human form and in plain clothes. However, in the final battle between Thor and Loki's brood, each flash of lightning created by Thor's storms would reveal their true forms, showing them looking quite similar to the 616 versions (although Thor's costume would be much more armored).

The intended feel of the film would be one comperable to Highlander (I/E, a mythiological tale set in a modern setting), albiet on a somewhat larger scale.

Iron Man: The film would start with Tony Stark, billionare scientist and industrialist, going to Hong Kong on a buisness venture. While there, he is kidnapped by an underground revolutionary movement who want Stark to build them weapons to use against the Chinese government. The movement is led by a man called only The Mandarin, a man decended from nobility who, had the communists never taken control of the country, would be a very powerful figure in China today. His plan is to overthrow the government and declare himself Mandarin of a new Chinese empire. After spending several weeks captures, Stark is able to excape with the help of a fellow captured scientist. Tony quickly goes to the Chinese government to warn them of the impending coup, but even with the information he gives them, he knows they won't stand a chance against the movement's weapons, and knows he would not have time to supply the government with any of their own. So, using a prototype exo armor, he goes after the Mandarin himself.

The main story of the film is Tony's transition from a spoiled, selfish pretty boy into someone who genuenly cares about helping others. His inventions give the Mandarin the ability to hurt people, so he takes on the responsability of stopping him.

In terms of apearence, Iron Man would look very much like the Ultimate armor. The Mandarin would not wear robes or anything like that, and would instead were fine suits or other expensive garments. His rings would be based off of Stark's designs.

Nick Fury: The United Nations puts together S.H.E.I.L.D., and international peace keeping agency that responds to the U.N. and only to the U.N. It owes aleigence to no one nation in particular. The feild director is Nick Fury, an old amercian war vet with a very head on aproach to international terrorism. When his old rival Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker, leader or the terrorist organization known as Hydra, resurfaces, Fury takes up the task of going after him personally.

The basic idea of this movie is James Bond with a blue collar worker from Brooklyne's aditude. It would be more or less the same as the comics, although it would follow no specific storyline.

The Avengers: Acting as a sequel to all four films, the movie finds Nick Fury charged with the task of putting together a team to deal with threats beyond the scope of normal agents. He puts together The Avengers, a group of agents both super powered and normal. The group is rounded off when Captain America is unthawed.

The film would follow Mark Millar's Ultimates very closely due to it's cinimatic feel making it perfect for a direct film adaptation. However, many elements of 616 continuity would be used. Bucky would have died on his and Cap's final mission. The Hulk would not be shown to be sadistic as he was in Ultimates, and in fact would not talk at all. He would apear more as a rabid animal, completely out of control and running on instinct and rage. For the purpose of time, there would be a few early mission scenes with the team dealing with relatively mundain threats. Hawkeye and Black Widow would be introduced in this film instead of the sequel, and there would be a few Cap/Hawkeye moments remeniscent of the Busiek/Perez Avengers. The movie would still contain the whole "Hank going crazy and atacking Jan" thing, which would serve as a cliffhanger ending for the film. The sequel would contain the plot of the second arc, and many 616 elements and elements from that arc mixed together.

 

[Herr Logan]

Ive been a lazy bastard of late,spamming community with my rapier wit and hanging with the crazy gang but did i perchance read mention of Iron Man using a jetpack ?

You did indeed. What of it?

Are you and Zaphod gonna fight? Are you gonna start a fight right here, in my thread??

*cooks popcorn*

On with it, then!

 

[Zaphod]

Hunter Rider: In all seriousness, I would quite like to hear your opinion on my 'Iron-Man' movie concept, aswell as hearing some more ideas pertaining to your own. Herr's just pissed because I'm refusing to share with him by great ideas concerning Batnipples in our 'hypothetical' Batman franchise. He just loves those nipples...

The Question: You officially suck for stealing my place as the first to share a Thor movie concept in this thread, since I've been cooking up my own treatment for the movie in question. Nice work though .

Herr: Where's that second part of the origin you promised me in the Batman thread!? I need some Bruce Wayne goodness right now!

I'll be posting my Thor movie concept next, excited? Are ya!?

 

[Hunter Rider]

You did indeed. What of it?

Are you and Zaphod gonna fight? Are you gonna start a fight right here, in my thread??

*cooks popcorn*

On with it, then!

Ive read back thoroughly and it was YOU who came up with the Jetpack .....however used in the context you have suggested i can see it's viability,Iron Man's armour should always be shown evolving as it does in the books,Stark is an inventor and would not leave it merely as it is

Hunter Rider: In all seriousness, I would quite like to hear your opinion on my 'Iron-Man' movie concept, aswell as hearing some more ideas pertaining to your own. Herr's just pissed because I'm refusing to share with him by great ideas concerning Batnipples in our 'hypothetical' Batman franchise. He just loves those nipples...

I like it a lot,the opening origin part is stellar work the visual of stark with an entourage of helicopters flying over the ocean is a great way to open the movie showing his style/love of tech/and wealth all in one shot
Your introduction of Rhodes that you fleshed out with Herr works fine but is there maybe a way he could be included in the city wide battle at the end ? i was thinking perhaps he could save some civilians who are about to become collateral damage
also in the part where Tony procures him a new chopper i would like to see him fly them to safety through the warzone showcasing his pilot skills thus making Stark view him as a valuable asset
The assassin part sounds good and i agree with Herr that a seduction scene would work well playing off Starks playboy nature and Widow's hawtness
Only part i thought was a bit sketchy was the bit about framing Iron Man for murder and how Tony cleared him and diverted the blame to Hammer,im not sure that works but if you explain a bit further...
All in all good stuff Zaph

 

[The Question]

The Question: You officially suck for stealing my place as the first to share a Thor movie concept in this thread, since I've been cooking up my own treatment for the movie in question. Nice work though .

Danke. I really think a Thor movie should have a similar feel to Highlander. And, personally, I think the self proclaimed mmesiah angle from The Ultimates would work best in a film.