Should Batman be in the JL film?

[Savage]

Why? The guy's like 6'2. Superman's always been taller than him anyway.

 

[Justice Bringer]

Has he? They looked the same height to me in the comics and animated series.

 

[Lord Doom]

I think he should at least have a cameo. I mean, c'mon... HE'S FRIGGIN BATMAN!

 

[The Guard]

Put it together.

He's all of those things you mentioned. That is why he belongs in a Justice League movie. No, The Batman's not a team player, but he clearly recognizes the value of having allies (Gordon, Dent, his sidekicks, the occassional teamup). His ideals clash with Superman's, which makes for interesting drama. Heck, his ideals clash with the entire League's methodology. There's the selling point for his involvement right there. He's the detective, he's the stealthy guy in the shadows, and he's the human voice amidst League of superheroes. There are plenty of aspects to justify his involvement in a JL film.

 

[Lord Doom]

Put it together.

He's all of those things you mentioned. That is why he belongs in a Justice League movie. No, The Batman's not a team player, but he clearly recognizes the value of having allies (Gordon, Dent, his sidekicks, the occassional teamup). His ideals clash with Superman's, which makes for interesting drama. Heck, his ideals clash with the entire League's methodology. There's the selling point for his involvement right there. He's the detective, he's the stealthy guy in the shadows, and he's the human voice amidst League of superheroes. There are plenty of aspects to justify his involvement in a JL film.

Plus he's Batman.

 

[odiin]

I think it really comes down to this:

Why do heroes team up at all, I mean *REALLY* why?

Answer: Because it's cool!

It doesn't get much cooler than Batman/Superman together on film.

As for him not fitting in due to lack of powers. I could argue for hours about how Batman doesn't need powers to fit in, but ultimately when it comes down to it Powers really aren't what counts. It's PERSONALITY that goes a long way, and Batman has plenty of it.

Oh yeah, plus all of this stuff, too:

Put it together.

He's all of those things you mentioned. That is why he belongs in a Justice League movie. No, The Batman's not a team player, but he clearly recognizes the value of having allies (Gordon, Dent, his sidekicks, the occassional teamup). His ideals clash with Superman's, which makes for interesting drama. Heck, his ideals clash with the entire League's methodology. There's the selling point for his involvement right there. He's the detective, he's the stealthy guy in the shadows, and he's the human voice amidst League of superheroes. There are plenty of aspects to justify his involvement in a JL film.

 

[Savage]

Has he? They looked the same height to me in the comics and animated series.

Yup. Bats is 6'2 and Superman varies between 6'3 and 6'4. In the animated series they're even bigger with Batman at 6'4 and Superman around 6'5 or 6'6. Everone's huge in the animated series. Even Green Arrow.

But yes, Batman should definately be in because A) You need to have the trinity, and B) it's not about what he can do but how his personality interracts with the other characters. That is where he is unique even if J'onn can do his job for him. It's about characters, not powers.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

you mean, the way practically all of the big 7 are redundant short of j'onn?

Flash - Speed
Wonder Woman - Tank
Green Lantern - Blaster
J'onn Jonz - Telepath
Aquaman - Underwater

In fact I would leave Superman out of it as well. Too many giant elephants trying to share a room. Green Arrow (the pacifist) and Black Canary make for far more interesting additions.

 

[dnno1]

Oh, I wasn't implying that a JL film WOULD be campy. I was thinking that that was what Jett was worried about, which is why he has that whole schpiel on his BOF website. But as I mentioned, I have faith that WB would never pull a Fantastic Four route. I have no doubt they would approach a JL film with a truly epic tone. I doubt they'd want to spend money on making it otherwise.

I think that Jett is also thinking about the empire that he has in his BoF website and what would happen if there were no more Batman film franchise as a result of the outcome of a JL film. I pesonally don't think we could let his personal intrests or opinions sway our own feelings about this endeavor.

As far as going the F4 route with the film, that all depends on wether or not an adult market has the potential to pay for a film of that nature. JL is already written in several flavors (each catering to a different demographic) so the film could always adapt to whatever market is willing to pay for it (be it young adult or more family oriented). Therefore as far as the apporach to the film is concerned it would all depend.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The photo looks like a threeway is either going to or has just occurred

 

[dnno1]

Flash - Speed
Wonder Woman - Tank
Green Lantern - Blaster
J'onn Jonz - Telepath
Aquaman - Underwater

In fact I would leave Superman out of it as well. Too many giant elephants trying to share a room. Green Arrow (the pacifist) and Black Canary make for far more interesting additions.

I think what you are proposing was done before and looked like this:

Justice League (1997)

I think what most people here want to see is this:

Tell me if I am wrong.

 

[Justice Bringer]

Youre wrong.

All I want is the original seven:

Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman.


They are the founders. They are all you need.

Any more characters than the seven would be overkill for one film.

 

[Dark Knight]

I don't think he should be a main character at all. I think he should be shown in the end in a mysterious cameo type of way.....

 

[explode7]

I think batman can be in the JL movie it just all depends on the story. For example you can have villains join forces and one of those villains should be like the joker or soemone batman can at least confront that the other members cant because they maybe too busy dealing with bigger threats. Or have batman be the detective to figure out stuff that could help eliminate a threat while the rest of the league are getting their ass whopped by that threat.

 

[The Question]

you mean, the way practically all of the big 7 are redundant short of j'onn?

They're not entirely redundant. Many of them do possess specific skills that others lack (GL is the most capable of long range, deep space travel, The Flash is by far the fastest, etc.), and all of them with the exception of Batman supply something that they can never have enough of: Power. With the kind of threats the League faces, having several characters with similar power levels is not redundant because they need as much muscle as they can get. Batman, on the other hand, doesn't really bring much of anything to the table that warrants him to be more than an ally and casual consultant. That's how I see it, anyway.

so who would you want to be the paranoid investigator for the team? The Question?

No. I wouldn't want to see The Question on the team for the same reasons. I don't think the League really needs a paranoid investigator. At least not on a full time basis. Especially since Superman is, by his profession, an investigative reporter. And a very good one. And J'onn has been a detective longer than Bruce has been alive.

 

[explode7]

But your're the paranoid investigator.

 

[The Batman]

They're not entirely redundant. Many of them do possess specific skills that others lack (GL is the most capable of long range, deep space travel, The Flash is by far the fastest, etc.), and all of them with the exception of Batman supply something that they can never have enough of: Power. With the kind of threats the League faces, having several characters with similar power levels is not redundant because they need as much muscle as they can get. Batman, on the other hand, doesn't really bring much of anything to the table that warrants him to be more than an ally and casual consultant. That's how I see it, anyway.



No. I wouldn't want to see The Question on the team for the same reasons. I don't think the League really needs a paranoid investigator. At least not on a full time basis. Especially since Superman is, by his profession, an investigative reporter. And a very good one. And J'onn has been a detective longer than Bruce has been alive.

Batman's detective and tactical skills are more than enough for him to be on the team, since he is the best detective, and the one who can afford to go off on his own and find out information while the teams fighting the threat. Batman wouldnt be redundant because its pretty much been stated time and time again that batman's the best detective, meaning he's probably better than clark and j'onn.

 

[The Question]

Batman's detective and tactical skills are more than enough for him to be on the team, since he is the best detective, and the one who can afford to go off on his own and find out information while the teams fighting the threat. Batman wouldnt be redundant because its pretty much been stated time and time again that batman's the best detective, meaning he's probably better than clark and j'onn.

I think him being the best detective is highly debatable. J'onn has been a detective much longer than Bruce has, and has telepathy to boot. Besides, even if he is the best, I doubt that J'onn is so far behind him that the League desperately needs Batman to do detective work instead of J'onn.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Batman absolutely should be on the team. He's the master strategist/thinker; his presence is a crucial balance to the gods and god-like people who make up the League.

 

[The Batman]

I think him being the best detective is highly debatable. J'onn has been a detective much longer than Bruce has, and has telepathy to boot. Besides, even if he is the best, I doubt that J'onn is so far behind him that the League desperately needs Batman to do detective work instead of J'onn.

So, by that definition, we wouldnt need flash, because superman's almost as fast, and has more experience

we wouldnt need wonder woman because MM can read minds so we dont need her lasso of truth, and superman's much stronger than her

We dont need Superman either....because MM can do what superman does...and more.

so that would leave MM, GL, and Aquaman....and no offense, but that wouldnt leave a fun JL movie...at all...

 

[explode7]

I think we all learn a very important lesson here never piss off a batman fan.

 

[The Question]

So, by that definition, we wouldnt need flash, because superman's almost as fast, and has more experience

we wouldnt need wonder woman because MM can read minds so we dont need her lasso of truth, and superman's much stronger than her

We dont need Superman either....because MM can do what superman does...and more.

so that would leave MM, GL, and Aquaman....and no offense, but that wouldnt leave a fun JL movie...at all...

That's not what I'm saying at all. We do need those guys because the League, with the kind of threats they face, need as much muscle as they can get. J'onn, Orin, and Hal can't take on the Quantum Mechanics or Mageddon or Starro by themselves. Besides, it never hurts to have multiple really powerful types. But my point is that Batman doesn't bring much of anything to the team that counters the fact that he's pretty much useless in the combat situations they face. All of his specialties can be covered by other members, and he'd have no way of going up against the kind of things the League does and not dying horribly. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be in the film, but I don't think he should be a full time member of the team or have a major part. Have him be a consultant/ally who has a smaller supporting role.

 

[explode7]

Dude thats exactly what I meant. But they should do it smart so at the end of the day the league can really use his abilities that is his resources and detective skills to put the finishing blow on the enemy. Like I said everyone will confront the villains head on while batman with his detective skills should try to find their weakness and incorporate it into his gadgets which he can use to not make it look like he is completely useless in a battle. Your limiting batmans abilities and that in my book is very wrong.

 

[Hawkeye]

So, by that definition, we wouldnt need flash, because superman's almost as fast, and has more experience

we wouldnt need wonder woman because MM can read minds so we dont need her lasso of truth, and superman's much stronger than her

We dont need Superman either....because MM can do what superman does...and more.

so that would leave MM, GL, and Aquaman....and no offense, but that wouldnt leave a fun JL movie...at all...

This is the most stupidest post I've ever read.

 

[Savage]

Hey, it makes sense. When you use that logic, the Justice League numbers become seriously limited.