Sequels Should Sam Raimi keep making Spider-Man films or should a new guy take over?

[fallenAngel]

^I understand why you want to have Spider man be rated R, but it doesn't actually need to be in order to be more serious and edgier. Heck as others were saying the final battle with the Goblin was actually fairly brutal. They both looked really beat up, even though as you said most wounds seem to heal like they are all Wolverine. But the Dark Knight looks dark and not kid friendly and is still PG -13 so it doesn't need to be R. PG - 13 was created to be the gray area between PG and R. Heck most PG movies used to be not just for kids. And Spider man whether you like it or not isn't just for adults or for kids, it is for everyone. People just need to realize that kids can enjoy movies that don't dumb themselves down for them.

and for all you people saying that GG beat Spider man much more than the others I ask? Isn't that the way it is supposed to be. GG was always Spider man's greatest threat. Venom, come on, even in the comics he never really truly was much of a threat. Not like the Green Goblin at least. Not even in the same league. I don't remember Venom ever doing any real damage to Peter, if anything he always just tried to humiliate him more than try and kill him. He played around too much.

 

[comic_book_guy]

KEEP RAIMI! all the cast have said that if Sam leaves than they will all leave and that would suck tbh...

 

[Venom 1988]

KEEP RAIMI! all the cast have said that if Sam leaves than they will all leave and that would suck tbh...

not really

 

[comic_book_guy]

not really

well tbh i would hate to see al the cast gone and replaced, but thats me..

 

[Visionary]

^I understand why you want to have Spider man be rated R, but it doesn't actually need to be in order to be more serious and edgier. Heck as others were saying the final battle with the Goblin was actually fairly brutal. They both looked really beat up, even though as you said most wounds seem to heal like they are all Wolverine. But the Dark Knight looks dark and not kid friendly and is still PG -13 so it doesn't need to be R. PG - 13 was created to be the gray area between PG and R. Heck most PG movies used to be not just for kids. And Spider man whether you like it or not isn't just for adults or for kids, it is for everyone. People just need to realize that kids can enjoy movies that don't dumb themselves down for them.

and for all you people saying that GG beat Spider man much more than the others I ask? Isn't that the way it is supposed to be. GG was always Spider man's greatest threat. Venom, come on, even in the comics he never really truly was much of a threat. Not like the Green Goblin at least. Not even in the same league. I don't remember Venom ever doing any real damage to Peter, if anything he always just tried to humiliate him more than try and kill him. He played around too much.

If TDK is anything like BB, it'll be another pretend-to-be dark and gritty film.
No, Spider-Man doesn't need to be an R-rated film, but Marvel/Sony have watered these films down so much, that you need an R-rating to break their mindset that this isn't a Disney film. The best bet is to NOT treat Spider-Man like it's a children's property at all. It's not like kids won't go see it and buy the toys, they loved 300, which was bigger at the box office than SM2 and SM3 when you compared their production budgets. I don't mind a PG-13 rating, as long as the film is written and directed like the PG-13 film The Bourne Ultimatum.

That's because Venom is a ***** character in the comics, that character needs some serious rewriting from a writer who still have their balls attached.

 

[fallenAngel]

Well if ever they were to go darker and more adult, the Lizard and Kraven would be perfect villains. Kraven's last hunt after all is almost more Batman than Spider man.

alot of people say that Carnage could only exist in an R rated movie, and quite frankly that would be the only way I'd be interested in him. But even so he isn't that great of a character.

 

[n00nickn]

They need to keep Raimi he's the best thing for these movies, hell IMO i think he revolutionized the whole comic to movie genre

 

[Visionary]

You're going to get murdered by Raimi-Haters for that remark, I hope you're a good fighter.

 

[fallenAngel]

Nah, people would actually have to visit these boards for that to happen.

 

[nolan's roll'n]

Now all we need is either David Fincher to direct and JGL to be cast as Spiderman.

 

[Visionary]

Oooh...I love the idea of David Fincher to directing SM4.

 

[murdock_matt]

I want Raimi to come back if he feels passionate about the villains. And I think he will if the villains are classics. If the new script(s) feature Kraven, Vulture, Mysterio or some other older ones, then yes. If they bring back Venom, or intro Carnage, then no. I personally think that's why he lost the magic on SM3. It just didn't flow, and I think that was because he was pretty much forced to use Venom.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I want Raimi to come back if he feels passionate about the villains.

He defenitley feels passionate aobut the Villians. I mean, he's said so himself that he would love to use Vulture, Lizard, Electro, etc, in more Spdiey films.

 

[ANTOINE X]

I want Raimi to come back if he feels passionate about the villains. And I think he will if the villains are classics. If the new script(s) feature Kraven, Vulture, Mysterio or some other older ones, then yes. If they bring back Venom, or intro Carnage, then no. I personally think that's why he lost the magic on SM3. It just didn't flow, and I think that was because he was pretty much forced to use Venom.

Let the guy just go! He did good in S1&s2. The Third one was average you could see he was a bit tired. Anyways Raimi himself was not sure if wanted to do a 4 at the time. Let see what a New director can bring on the table. I m for a fresh start with new stories.

 

[samsnee]

Let the guy just go! He did good in S1&s2. The Third one was average you could see he was a bit tired. Anyways Raimi himself was not sure if wanted to do a 4 at the time. Let see what a New director can bring on the table. I m for a fresh start with new stories.

I agree. Raimi was fine for three, but let's see a new take. I'll be happy when we get a movie that doesn't involve Spidey saving MJ in the third act.

 

[ANTOINE X]

I agree. Raimi was fine for three, but let's see a new take. I'll be happy when we get a movie that doesn't involve Spidey saving MJ in the third act.

See thats one of the reason I wanted Raimi out! Too much romance bulls**t. The typical ending ''save the princess'' has to go! I like MJ but we need more focus on spidey & the villains.Also I want an older spider-man on the upcoming movie!

 

[bunk]

I think I'd like to see someone else give it a go. Plus I want to see Raimi do something new, maybe something of his own creation again.

 

[IamProdigy]

It's easy to say that since Raimi scewed up the symbiote/Venom story in which Avi Arad really wanted to be in the movie, Arad won't let Raimi direct anyother Spidey movies.

 

[ANTOINE X]

Then who should direct the new spider-man franchise? I still believe James Cameron is the man. He has what it takes to put spider-man to an other level. BTW I can't wait to see Avatar.

 

[Blader5489]

It's easy to say that since Raimi scewed up the symbiote/Venom story in which Avi Arad really wanted to be in the movie, Arad won't let Raimi direct anyother Spidey movies.

Yeah, I can see it now: "Sam, your latest movie made nearly $900 million worldwide at the box office. But Venom didn't say 'we', so you're fired!"

 

[Visionary]

^I know, it's hilarious the way fanboys peanut of a brain think sometimes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well if ever they were to go darker and more adult, the Lizard and Kraven would be perfect villains. Kraven's last hunt after all is almost more Batman than Spider man.

alot of people say that Carnage could only exist in an R rated movie, and quite frankly that would be the only way I'd be interested in him. But even so he isn't that great of a character.

In the KLH GN, JM said he originally came up with the idea as a story for Batman, but DC rejected it. He was also going to create a new villain to bury Spider-Man in the ground, but then read up on Kraven and opted to use him instead of the new guy.

Carnage could be done PG-13 easily, I agree. Some of these PG-13 movies are pretty edgy. Just don't show any gore or cut away from the grusome stuff, and your fine.

KLH is the best idea for SM4, though I do think the story is a tad overrated. It seems that the first thing people praise it for is being dark, and being dark doesn't make something good instantly. Anyways, use Lizard over Vermin, make so Kraven and Spidey have had a past history, etc. Chances are the ending would be changed, however. I doubt they'd let Kraven blow his head off or end it without a final fight between them, as studios may think that is anti-climatic for the ending and, though I disagree with that mentality. Plus, studios have ways of kiddying these things up.

 

[Mr. Socko]

It's easy to say that since Raimi scewed up the symbiote/Venom story in which Avi Arad really wanted to be in the movie, Arad won't let Raimi direct anyother Spidey movies.

You're diluting yourself. Not to say that Spider-Man 3 wasn't bad or disappointing, but by saying that Arad wouldn't let Raimi direct another one. Firstly, Arad cares about cash mostly, in which case, he would definitely want Raimi to return. In Spider-Man 1-3, Sam has made 3 huge money makers and two really good films. That's quite a track record. But secondly, I doubt Arad cares much about quality. In case you are not aware, it was he who pushed for Tim Story to direct the Fantastic 4, loved his outcome, then wanted Story to return for Rise of the Surfer, which he did.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's easy to say that since Raimi scewed up the symbiote/Venom story in which Avi Arad really wanted to be in the movie, Arad won't let Raimi direct anyother Spidey movies.

$$$ speaks louder than quality in Hollywood. Raimi's movies made around 900 million EACH MOVIE. Sony doesn't care if a few fanboys hated SM3, or if the movie's reaction was more mixed than that of the first 2. All they care about is money, and Raimi made them tons, including the REALLY SUCCESSFUL SM3. Like it or not, Sony would be very interested in Raimi coming back, as his name is very attached to the franchise right now. Just like Tobey. Just like Kirsten. That is not to say they are all coming back. That is saying Sony wants them back, and believing they don't due to some SM3 whiners is not showing the producers bottom line goal...$$$

 

[ANTOINE X]

$$$ speaks louder than quality in Hollywood. Raimi's movies made around 900 million EACH MOVIE. Sony doesn't care if a few fanboys hated SM3, or if the movie's reaction was more mixed than that of the first 2. All they care about is money, and Raimi made them tons, including the REALLY SUCCESSFUL SM3. Like it or not, Sony would be very interested in Raimi coming back, as his name is very attached to the franchise right now. Just like Tobey. Just like Kirsten. That is not to say they are all coming back. That is saying Sony wants them back, and believing they don't due to some SM3 whiners is not showing the producers bottom line goal...$$$

Like I said before in the x-men thread maybe it s time to separate things a little bit. It has never been done before in Hollywood but I think Spider-man franchise is big enough to be shared between 2 or 3 movie companies.which mean we could have 1 different spider-man movie each year. I Don't know how many spider-man sequels Sony has in his pocket but I strongly suggest Marvel to revise his copy right. The copy right should not be on the caracter but rather on comics book to movie translation. Let say paramount own any amazing spider-man stories, New line cinema the spectacular spider-man and so on. .. This way its more money for Hollywood, more freedom of creativity for the movie companies and more diversity and fun for the fan and the general public.