SM3 Lizard Discussion

[DorkyFresh]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
so wut? Each of them is different. It's a much better and simpler story than some symbiote possessing someone.

Not really...they're all science experiments gone wrong. Not if's, and's, or but's about it. Doc Ock, Norman, and Doctor Conners are all scientists and they're experiments turn against them. How is that different? Sure...they're different experiments and different people, but it's still the same recycled story element. I'm not saying I wouldn't mind seeing the Lizard in A Spider-Man movie...but for the 3rd one, I think they should stay away from the science experiments gone terribly wrong routine. Like I said...it's starts getting repetitive after the 2nd movie. SM3 should focus on Harry as GG2 (along with Pete and MJ's relationship).

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I dont think it matters if we use the same element. It's a good element. Lizard is more of the Jekyll/Hyde element.

 

[DorkyFresh]

It DOES matter that it's the same plot.

Spider-Man needs to save the city from an uncontrollable scientist.

Yes, it's a good plot and can be interpretted many different ways, but it becomes repetitive and hokey if it's used 3 times in a row.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

the plot would also consist of GG2 so therefore not be the same.

we can live with repetition

 

[DACrowe]

The Lizard how do you like my new treatment for film 3 revolving around the Lizard?

 

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by TheLizard
But what do you think of the Curt Connors in Spiderman 2?

I like your screen name.

I think Dylan Baker did a great job in his three short scenes in SM2. I still think he's a little too old to play Connors (who I picture as being around 32-36 years old), but Baker is a great actor, so I can't wait to see more of him in SM3.

Originally posted by DACrowe
The Lizard how do you like my new treatment for film 3 revolving around the Lizard?

Great work, man.

With all the great Lizard-related ideas I've seen around here, there's no excuse for SM3's script not having similar good concepts.

And I'm sure the "nice scientist goes bad" idea can still be made fresh and exciting in SM3 if the writers are on the ball.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I like your idea DACrowe. However, I kind would like to see GG2 in 3 aswell. But if Lizard is to be the one and only villian in 3, ur idea is best.

Personally, I like the idea of Lizard killing gg2 at the end of 3.

 

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Thats b/c LORD_GALVATRON had to have the last word which we let him have.

Translation: We got punked and now have to deal with it.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
we can live with repetition

speak for yourself...

 

[TheLizard]

The thing I'd like to see if all of you are bored with the whole sience gone bad thing, Lizard could be different. Maybe they would make him in his completely feral form, not semi human. Then it would be Spiderman (humanity) vs. Lizard (savagery).

 

[DorkyFresh]

It's still a science experiment gone wrong situation. There's no way to have a faithful Lizard without having another science experiment gone wrong situation...

...if he's in the 4th Spider-Man, that's fine. But like I said...3 science experiments gone wrong in a row is just plain hokey.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by LORD_GALVATRON
Translation: We got punked and now have to deal with it.

This proves he needs the last word. So he can have it.............again. And LORD_GALVATRON, we weren't "punked"

Originally posted by DorkyFresh
speak for yourself...

So if Lizard is in sm3 and he's as us say "nice scientist gone bad" you'd kill urself (or atleast die)?

Lizard isnt a nice scientist gone bad. He's a J/H villian. Connors cant even control when he becomes Lizard nor the amount of time he is lizard.

Also, the experiment didnt go wrong, it just had a side effect.

 

[DACrowe]

No it is "nice science going too bad" mainly he dide succeed at regrowing his arm, but it just didn't stop there...

And I think it is too early to have another Goblin and besides I think we need a film that tests Peter and MJ's commentment to their relationship and the Lizard say breaking Peter's arm in their second encounter (they'd probably have 3 which is the popular choice now) would do that. And once engaged that can be the final straw that broke the camel's back for Harry (who then experiments on himself because he is still hesitant at the end of SM-2).

I think 4 would be perfect then for GG2 and then we get also a wedding at the end.

And besides I want to see Raimi do Lizard and GG2 (if he does Tobey will and then MJ I mean Kirsten will probably come back for more $$) and I don't think doing them in the same movie will give either justice.

 

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
This proves he needs the last word. So he can have it.............again. And LORD_GALVATRON, we weren't "punked"

You're just not living in the real world if you think that.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

He is nice going to bad, but not by choice. Ock and GG all chose to go bad.

LORD_GALVATRON, If I wasnt living in the real world, you wouldnt exsist. That's it. No more. If you do post one more thing, it proves you need the last word.

 

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
LORD_GALVATRON, If I wasnt living in the real world, you wouldnt exsist.

I would exist before you would.

If you do post one more thing, it proves you need the last word.

No, it just proves that you have to keep replying in an attempt to convince yourself that you're right. You're not. Get over it.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Those of you who haven't posted in my thread How the Lizard Should Look, post there

note: This is to everyone EXCEPT LORD_GALVATRON

 

[Figma]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Lizard isnt a nice scientist gone bad. He's a J/H villian. Connors cant even control when he becomes Lizard nor the amount of time he is lizard. Also, the experiment didnt go wrong, it just had a side effect.

"gone wrong" amd "had a side-effect" are both synonmous with "unintended consequences". So, you're probably splitting hairs.

Originally posted by DACrowe
No it is "nice science going too bad" mainly he dide succeed at regrowing his arm, but it just didn't stop there...

Splitting hairs. It's completely "nice science gone bad", imho. You have poor Dr. Connors spending the rest of his life paying for his scientific miscalculations, and you're willing to declare his experiment a "success"? I think the proper view is that it "seemed" successful, but turned out to be a critical failure, as the result was utterly unusable. Not that whenever he reverted to Connors, he once again was missing his arm.

Originally posted by DACrowe
I think 4 would be perfect then for GG2 and then we get also a wedding at the end.

I think Electro was the "Wedding" villain, wasn't he? I wouldn't mind them trying him for SM IV or V. Course... Spider-man V. Yeah... it already looks like it should be a "V".

~ Figma

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Connor's arm did grow back from his formula, but his side-effect was turning into a humanoid hybrid Lizard.

Figma, I NEVER said

I think 4 would be perfect then for GG2 and then we get also a wedding at the end.

DACrowe did. Please edit that. (im not supporting a weding)

 

[LORD_GALVATRON]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
Those of you who haven't posted in my thread How the Lizard Should Look, post there

note: This is to everyone EXCEPT LORD_GALVATRON

Which pic, the one with everyone in it or the one where he looks like a cross between a raptor and a cobra?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

pic with everyone

 

[nobycane]

So why can't the following possibility work:

- in SM2 we see two possible set ups... Harry finding the secret lair of his father and the Green Goblin arsonal, and Dr. Conners briefly discussing neogentics at the university.

So if Peter works further with Dr. Conners on a "project" and something goes wrong....ala becoming a mutated being The Lizard while attempting to grow and develop gentics.

At the same time, Harry dawns the Goblin outfit and seeks the ultimate revenge on PP/SM.

The catch for the third movie would be this...while the Lizard is reeking havoic on the city - and Spiderman is attempting to stop him....at the same time the new Goblin is is also reeking havoic to catch and elimate Spiderman.

So Spiderman has an old fasion mexican standoff, and his hands full. The twist would be Harry is mentally unstable and becoming sick like his father - torn between friendship with Peter Parker, and seeking revenge on Spiderman for the death of his father.

Just a little synopsis IMO.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by nobycane
So why can't the following possibility work:

- in SM2 we see two possible set ups... Harry finding the secret lair of his father and the Green Goblin arsonal, and Dr. Conners briefly discussing neogentics at the university.

So if Peter works further with Dr. Conners on a "project" and something goes wrong....ala becoming a mutated being The Lizard while attempting to grow and develop gentics.

At the same time, Harry dawns the Goblin outfit and seeks the ultimate revenge on PP/SM.

The catch for the third movie would be this...while the Lizard is reeking havoic on the city - and Spiderman is attempting to stop him....at the same time the new Goblin is is also reeking havoic to catch and elimate Spiderman.

So Spiderman has an old fasion mexican standoff, and his hands full. The twist would be Harry is mentally unstable and becoming sick like his father - torn between friendship with Peter Parker, and seeking revenge on Spiderman for the death of his father.

Just a little synopsis IMO.

I want the movie to end with Lizard killing Harry/GG2. Have him sorta just leap out of nowhere but rather then pouncing spider-man, he hits gg2 and just fights him as they fall.

 

[SpiderSensesTingling]

no need to kill him.

Rule number one at Marvel: Bucky stays dead.
Rule number two: Only Bucky stays dead.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by SpiderSensesTingling
no need to kill him.

Rule number one at Marvel: Bucky stays dead.
Rule number two: Only Bucky stays dead.

1) That rule only applies to the comics.
2) You always forget:
Rule #3: No one or thing can change rule 1 and/or 2